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UK PoliGAF: General election thread of LibCon Coalitionage

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phisheep

phisheep

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APZonerunner said:
So, how long is this coalition going to last before it collapses and an emergency election is called? 6 months? 8 months?
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All depends how they build it.

I'd like to see it last a full term, but that will take some doing.
 
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Dark Machine

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I worked out what the sides of Parliament could look like earlier. :D

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Just worked out the possible opposing sides if things go as the pundits say they will (yeah right!)

Tory/DUP/Independant NI MP 'Conservative' Coalition - 315 Seats (Though the Indy NI MP doesn't like the DUP or Tories so could be 314)

Labour/Lib Dem/SNP/SDLP/Green/Alliance (NI) 'Progressive' Coalition - 326 Seats (with Plaid Cymru 329 Seats, if Indy NI MP defects 330)

Judging by Twitter, a lot of people want to see the Progressive Rainbow coalition. Then again, many of the young and vocal seem to hate the Tories so it's still all "errrr..." from the public really. :D

Edit 2: Just remembered, with Sinn Féin abstaining, that brings the winning post to just 321 Seats right? In which case the Progressives may not need PC or the Greens to win, though the SNP (Salmond seems to be more up for reasonable compromise than PC) would still be needed.
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Chinner

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okay, this was a pretty sweet move by borris:
http://londonist.com/2010/05/boris_buys_tube_lines.php

We understand it's generally frowned upon to begin a post with a torrent of swearing, but even so: fucking hell. Boris Johnson has managed to do what even Ken couldn't and find a way out of the appalling PPP mess - he's bought out Tube Lines.
Faced with the private sector demanding an extra £400m to complete upgrade work, Jubilee Line closures stretching on forever plus early Northern Line closures, it seems the Mayor lost patience and decided to buy the shares held by Bechtel and Amey for £310m, making Tube Lines a wholly owned subsidiary of TfL.

This was all agreed a coup
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he nationalised the tube!!
 
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Varion

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I know polls really don't mean much, but YouGov did one for the Sunday Times in which 62% said they supported electoral reform.

I thought it'd be less. Hm.
 
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Gary Whitta

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Private Eye is going to have "Going Live" fodder for months after this. The BBC really needs to stop throwing to correspondents posted outside party headquarters every 20 minutes so they can be told there's no new information and they don't know anything :lol
 
phisheep

phisheep

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Dark Machine said:
Dear God...BORIS IS AWESOME! God love that man! Finally someone stood up to the private companies ripping up the taxpayer on the trains! BY JOVE!
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Indeed.

Now tell me again with a straight face that you'd prefer a 'rainbow progressive alliance' that will either do nothing at all, do everything wrong or scalp England to feed their nationalist friends.
 
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Empty

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Varion said:
I know polls really don't mean much, but YouGov did one for the Sunday Times in which 62% said they supported electoral reform.

I thought it'd be less. Hm.
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"electoral reform" is very vague indeed. tories could say they are pro electoral reform when they mean they want an english parliament and less mp's while keeping FPTP and labour voters could want a proportional house of lords while keeping a FPTP system for the commons.
 
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DSWii60

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Empty said:
"electoral reform" is very vague indeed. tories could say they are pro electoral reform when they mean they want an english parliament and less mp's while keeping FPTP and labour voters could want a proportional house of lords while keeping a FPTP system for the commons.
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PR for the Commons and FPTP for the Lords might actually be a good idea.
 
Jex

Jex

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Tory electoral reform is basically electoral reform that will make them even stronger -

New York Times said:
"The Conservatives also say they, too, favor reform, but their electoral proposals include reducing the number of constituencies and redrawing the boundaries to ensure that the same number of people live in each district. This would increase their electoral chances by, for example, reducing the number of representatives from Scotland and Wales, who are much more likely to be from the Labour Party."
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Cindres

Vied for a tag related to cocks, so here it is.
Jexhius said:
Tory electoral reform is basically electoral reform that will make them even stronger -
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So they can quickly hold another election and take the majority.
Clever.
Ish.

Quick Edit: Having said that, increasing the number of constituencies would increase the number needed for the majority...
 
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Varion

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DSWii60 said:
PR for the Commons and FPTP for the Lords might actually be a good idea.
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Doubt the Conservatives would allow it that way around here though. There were a few of them on BBC News today that said that while the Conservatives might be persuaded to concede PR in the Lords, they wouldn't in the Commons.
 
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Dambrosi

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phisheep said:
Indeed.

Now tell me again with a straight face that you'd prefer a 'rainbow progressive alliance' that will either do nothing at all, do everything wrong or scalp England to feed their nationalist friends.
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Funny you say this when Boris just did something very...socialist.

Boris is one of a kind, nobody in their right mind believes the rest of the Tory Party would support renationalisation, or many of New Labour for that matter :lol
 
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sohois

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Empty said:
"electoral reform" is very vague indeed. tories could say they are pro electoral reform when they mean they want an english parliament and less mp's while keeping FPTP and labour voters could want a proportional house of lords while keeping a FPTP system for the commons.
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In any case, no one who isn't ignorant would oppose electoral reform, but many would not be overly concerned with having it enacted upon, at least i would imagine most people aren't else the lib dems would have done significantly better.

Furthermore, as was said electoral reform is a very vague concept.
Jexhius said:
Tory electoral reform is basically electoral reform that will make them even stronger
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Well to be fair, the current FPTP system is heavily biased towards labour.
 
Jex

Jex

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sohois said:
Well to be fair, the current FPTP system is heavily biased towards labour.
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I agree, but I also think that PR would technically the "fairest" system, where as the conservative re-drafting would pretty much just be a move to boost themselves. Clearly lib-dems want that as well, but it just so happens that PR is also the most reasonable system.
 
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Kowak

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FPTP will be around forever or until the Lid Dems gain power. Both major parties will be fucked so why sign their own death. They will give their promises and talk of PR but then the chatting will stop once the public lose interest in politics again.
 
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Dambrosi

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Nothing less than some form of PR for both Houses would be acceptable now to the majority of people, I think. The current system is utterly discredited and must change, and it must change to the most democratic and representative system we can muster.

We've been sold the dream, now we want the cream :D
 
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lopaz

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Varion said:
Doubt the Conservatives would allow it that way around here though. There were a few of them on BBC News today that said that while the Conservatives might be persuaded to concede PR in the Lords, they wouldn't in the Commons.
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Would that be so bad? If the Lords were elected they'd probably become far more important, as the convention of not challenging legislation from the governing party's manifesto would go out the window
 
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sohois

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Varion said:
Doubt the Conservatives would allow it that way around here though. There were a few of them on BBC News today that said that while the Conservatives might be persuaded to concede PR in the Lords, they wouldn't in the Commons.
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Couldn't Cameron just use whips to force it through his party?

Jexhius said:
I agree, but I also think that PR would technically the "fairest" system, where as the conservative re-drafting would pretty much just be a move to boost themselves. Clearly lib-dems want that as well, but it just so happens that PR is also the most reasonable system.
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Agreed
 
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D4Danger

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Dambrosi said:
Nothing less than some form of PR for both Houses would be acceptable now to the majority of people, I think. The current system is utterly discredited and must change, and it must change to the most democratic and representative system we can muster.

We've been sold the dream, now we want the cream :D
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I said it the other day but I think the best idea would be a lib-lab temporary coalition while we get a better voting system in place and then do it all again.

If the Tories get in we won't get change.
 
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mclem

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Kowak said:
FPTP will be around forever or until the Lid Dems gain power. Both major parties will be fucked so why sign their own death. They will give their promises and talk of PR but then the chatting will stop once the public lose interest in politics again.
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They can't *both* be screwed in that situation unless the people who want to vote LD but currently feel it's wasted have always got 50+% of the vote, and I find that hard to believe.
 
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Dambrosi

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D4Danger said:
I said it the other day but I think the best idea would be a lib-lab temporary coalition while we get a better voting system in place and then do it all again.

If the Tories get in we won't get change.
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Hate to spout memes, but QFT.
 
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mclem

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I have a leaflet I noticed today from the tories. It says, and I quote:

"A hung parliament would mean 5 more years of Gordon Brown"

So *if* a Con/Lib deal goes through, Cameron is already a liar!

(I should add that there's a very similar mail from Labour with slightly less definite phrasing)
 
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Kowak

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mclem said:
They can't *both* be screwed in that situation unless the people who want to vote LD but currently feel it's wasted have always got 50+% of the vote, and I find that hard to believe.
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I remember seeing one poll and it was ridiculoys the amount of people who would vote lib dem if they thought they could win.

They both would be screwed because they would lose a large number of seats and would be very hard to form a majority govt.
 
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mclem

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Kowak said:
I remember seeing one poll and it was ridiculoys the amount of people who would vote lib dem if they thought they could win.
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If that is the case (and of course, one poll alone doesn't mean all that much), wouldn't it be *right* that LD should get power in that situation?
 
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Kowak

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mclem said:
If that is the case (and of course, one poll alone doesn't mean all that much), wouldn't it be *right* that LD should get power in that situation?
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Yes so that we could then have Lib Dem rule for a couple of years and then when the country completely gets fucked then the other two parties can say "Thats why we didnt give you PR"
 
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Veidt

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ghst

thanks for the laugh
Veidt said:
Hell yes Nick.
Doesn't matter what the out come was. Clearly you are the one true PM.
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a polite yet damp reassurance followed by a stateman's dodge of answering the real question the crowds were asking (just some vague promotion of "electoral reform" - the same thing even the tories could lay claim to). yeah, think we've got the next lloyd-george here.
 
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sohois

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avaya said:
Never thought I'd see the day when the President of the United States would be the one pushing for a United Europe. I fucking love Obama.
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It seems like a strange position for Obama to take given recent history, but i for one am glad he's pushing a united europe.
 
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Dambrosi

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FabCam said:
yay another anti-Tory article from the Guardian which has no sources other than "a friend of a friend said this". The Guardian is pretty much as biased as the Telegraph. Although I don't think anyone can argue that the TV debates didn't fuck Cameron over even though he arguably won two of them.
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Umm...it's an Observer article. paranoid much?

Kowak said:
I actually love the BBC, my favourite broadcaster. Its just they have been known for wrong interviews and the like before.
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Sorry, mate. Guess it's my turn to be paranoid :lol

avaya said:
Never thought I'd see the day when the President of the United States would be the one pushing for a United Europe. I fucking love Obama.
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Me too, but you can guess why he wants it - a united Europe allied with America would make a nice solid buffer and ally against Russia and China, much more so than the current incarnation. Planning for all possible contingencies, that.
 
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