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[Dark Machine]

I remember seeing one poll and it was ridiculoys the amount of people who would vote lib dem if they thought they could win.

They both would be screwed because they would lose a large number of seats and would be very hard to form a majority govt.

Yeah I remember that poll, wasn't it in The Times like a couple weeks ago after the 2nd Debate, it asked "Who would you vote for if you thought the Lib Dems could win?" or something, and it got 49% voting for them with Labour down on 19% and the Tories on 20 something. It was crazy, of course, we've seen how fear really can take hold of people in the Polling booth so maybe it wouldn't be that way, but if it was made clear that you'd 90% of the time get who you voted for into parliament, then maybe it would be that way.

 

[Kowak]

Umm...it's an Observer article. paranoid much?


Sorry, mate. Guess it's my turn to be paranoid :lol

observer=the sunday guardian.

Dark Machine, yeah it was The Times.

 

[Zenith]

Umm...it's an Observer article. paranoid much?

the Guardian's sister paper.

 

[Dambrosi]

the Guardian's sister paper.

Yeah, I know that now. My bad, don't really read papers much.

Does the New Statesman have ties with the Guardian too?

 

[Dark Machine]

Yeah, I know that now. My bad, don't really read papers much.

Does the New Statesman have ties with the Guardian too?

New Statesman is even more Left than the Guardian is. I dunno about explicit ties but they have the same Left-Progressive viewpoint.

 

[Dambrosi]

New Statesman is even more Left than the Guardian is. I dunno about explicit ties but they have the same Left-Progressive viewpoint.

Next you'll be telling me they're aligned with the Morning Star :lol

 

[curls]

New Statesman is even more Left than the Guardian is. I dunno about explicit ties but they have the same Left-Progressive viewpoint.

Well it was good enough to get FabCam's little knickers in a twist, so on that basis its good enough for me. :lol

 

[Sage00]

Secret meeting held between Clegg and Cameron a couple hours ago.

 

[Varion]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELJh2bTK1ew

So this was what that video calling for Kay Burley to be sacked was about.

Jesus fucking christ.

"Why don't you just go home!"

 

[blazinglord]

Yeah, I know that now. My bad, don't really read papers much.

Does the New Statesman have ties with the Guardian too?

I think the New Statesman has journalists/contributors who are aides to Labour ministers and they have strong ties to Labour-friendly think tanks.

The New Statesman is basically the Labour version of The Spectator which is notoriously Conservative. Neither magazines are worth reading if you're looking for deliberately open-minded and non-partisan articles. The Economist is probably the best magazine for that because they do tend to make an effort of being more than just anti-everything Labour or anti-everything Tory.

 

[avaya]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELJh2bTK1ew

So this was what that video calling for Kay Burley to be sacked was about.

Jesus fucking christ.

"Why don't you just go home!"

Sky becoming Fox News. They are pushing the boundaries every day hoping that Ofcom is abolished and they'll have free reign to brainwash viewers.

 

[DSWii60]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELJh2bTK1ew

So this was what that video calling for Kay Burley to be sacked was about.

Jesus fucking christ.

"Why don't you just go home!"

That guy showed incredible restraint in answering her.

I would've told her to shut the fuck up at the very least. The Bill O'Reilly style of interviewing people you disagree with.

Edit: Actually that's an insult to O'Reilly. At least he lets others speak before shouting at them and he has decent enough conversations most of the time.

 

[curls]

They are pushing the boundaries every day hoping that Ofcom is abolished and they'll have free reign to brainwash viewers.

No chance of that happening. Who will all the old grannies complain to?

 

[sohois]

Sky becoming Fox News. They are pushing the boundaries every day hoping that Ofcom is abolished and they'll have free reign to brainwash viewers.

I don't know why you or anyone else is so worried about Sky News; i mean, who the hell watches Sky News anyway?

 

[RedShift]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELJh2bTK1ew

So this was what that video calling for Kay Burley to be sacked was about.

Jesus fucking christ.

"Why don't you just go home!"

What the... People watch this channel?

'Why protest, people voted for politicians, they can decide themselves'
'More people voted than are in your protest, therefore you represent a tiny minority'

 

[dr_octagon]

That reminds me of the segment Charlie Brooker did -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfS4DsYD6iU

 

[Veidt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELJh2bTK1ew

So this was what that video calling for Kay Burley to be sacked was about.

Jesus fucking christ.

"Why don't you just go home!"

fucking Fox news.
After the elections. people should be protesting this bullshit of a network together with everything Murdoch. straight up an insult to the intelligence of the people of this nation.

 

[curls]

I don't know why you or anyone else is so worried about Sky News; i mean, who the hell watches Sky News anyway?

Well its not just Sky News but the whole Murdoch empire and how much it does manipulate public opinion to serve its own corporate interests.

 

[sohois]

Well its not just Sky News but the whole Murdoch empire and how much it does manipulate public opinion to serve its own corporate interests.

So you're concerned after Murdoch and his paper The Sun were able to swing the election the Tories way... oh wait, that didn't happen. I have seen multiple posts in this very thread dismissing the supposed Sun influence and yet still people seem to fear it. Unless everyone is thinking that it's the Times that is manipulating public opinion?:lol

 

[blazinglord]

Sky becoming Fox News. They are pushing the boundaries every day hoping that Ofcom is abolished and they'll have free reign to brainwash viewers.

Brainwashing, really? You do human intelligence if not the British electorate a disservice. Your paranoia and claims of a Murdoch conspiracy just becomes more and more outlandish by the day. Next you'll be saying that Murdoch paid returning officers to refuse voters to vote after 10 pm or that he is bribing Clegg to go into a coalition with the Tories. If you have any more equally ridiculous claims to make avaya, please be sure to let me know. I'll admit, I love conspiracy theories as much as the next guy. I suppose my only fear is that you will 'brainwash' people with your claims /sarcasm.

 

[travisbickle]

more juicy tory infighting

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/08/david-cameron-faces-tory-anger

I love the way it sounds as though Lord Ashcroft was mad because the public gained knowledge, "we would have got away with it if the public didn't know there was an alternative!!!"

 

[avaya]

No chance of that happening. Who will all the old grannies complain to?

Removal of Ofcam was one of the conditions of Murdoch's deal with the Tories.

I don't know why you or anyone else is so worried about Sky News; i mean, who the hell watches Sky News anyway?

Pre-2000 America, who the hell watches Fox News anyway? CNN own cable news.

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Brainwashing, really? You do human intelligence if not the British electorate a disservice. Your paranoia and claims of a Murdoch conspiracy just becomes more and more outlandish by the day.

Have you watched Fox News?

None of what I've said about Murdoch is in anyway outlandish. You are incredibly naive if you believe in the intelligence of the average person. Such a notion does not exsit. People are incredibly stupid.

I am surrounded by cretins every where. I get paid to rip-off fools.

 

[CrunchinJelly]

I watch Sky News, but I agree that Kay Burley is a stupid bitch.

 

[D4Danger]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELJh2bTK1ew

So this was what that video calling for Kay Burley to be sacked was about.

Jesus fucking christ.

"Why don't you just go home!"

insufferable woman.

 

[Veidt]

Brainwashing, really? You do human intelligence if not the British electorate a disservice. Your paranoia and claims of a Murdoch conspiracy just becomes more and more outlandish by the day. Next you'll be saying that Murdoch paid returning officers to refuse voters to vote after 10 pm or that he is bribing Clegg to go into a coalition with the Tories. If you have any more equally ridiculous claims to make avaya, please be sure to let me know. I'll admit, I love conspiracy theories as much as the next guy. I suppose my only fear is that you will 'brainwash' people with your claims /sarcasm.

There's no conspiracy going on when the man's openly admitted to a hatred of progressiveness and launching d a rain of slurs against Obama ( most of which were out right lies). How his publications and TV network feed the masses with nonsensical bullshit, lies, defamation of individuals and minorities, and absolutely disgraceful things such as celebrities gossip. With this, he steals people's ambitions, their rights and aspirations, so they become blind cows. Believe it or not, Murdoch's empire is threatening to the dignity of the nation and this world as a whole.

Remember prop 8?
How was Fox reporting on that?

edit:
wat? Removal of Ofcom?

Seriously?

 

[Salazar]

Someone sees David Belle jump off a roof. They try it, and snap their legs.

Kay Burley sees Paxman being aggressive in an interview, tries it, and snaps her legs.

 

[Gary Whitta]

I watch Sky News, but I agree that Kay Burley is a stupid bitch.

Wasn't it her who on 9/11 said "If you're just joining us, the entire eastern seaboard of the United States has been destroyed by a terrorist attack"?

 

[sohois]

Pre-2000 America, who the hell watches Fox News anyway? CNN own cable news.

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It's a different situation in Britain since Sky only reaches a fraction of households (i assume, i'm unfamiliar with how US Tv works. Also i'm not sure if freeview includes Sky News).

 

[radioheadrule83]

Brainwashing, really? You do human intelligence if not the British electorate a disservice. Your paranoia and claims of a Murdoch conspiracy just becomes more and more outlandish by the day. Next you'll be saying that Murdoch paid returning officers to refuse voters to vote after 10 pm or that he is bribing Clegg to go into a coalition with the Tories. If you have any more equally ridiculous claims to make avaya, please be sure to let me know. I'll admit, I love conspiracy theories as much as the next guy. I suppose my only fear is that you will 'brainwash' people with your claims /sarcasm.

Are you telling us you don't see the partisan agenda in her interview style? She is obnoxious to him precisely because he's calling for PR, precisely because they're drawing attention to something that the Tory-aligned press don't want to see come to fruition.

 

[JonathanEx]

Wasn't it her who on 9/11 said "If you're just joining us, the entire eastern seaboard of the United States has been destroyed by a terrorist attack"?

Charlie Brooker said so, so therefore it is true.

 

[Dark Machine]

It's a different situation in Britain since Sky only reaches a fraction of households (i assume, i'm unfamiliar with how US Tv works. Also i'm not sure if freeview includes Sky News).

Sky News is on Freeview. It is a relative minority compared to the BBC, however with the bull it spreads, this can only be a good thing.

 

[Veidt]

It's a different situation in Britain since Sky only reaches a fraction of households (i assume, i'm unfamiliar with how US Tv works. Also i'm not sure if freeview includes Sky News).

The BBC and Ofcom are pretty much the only things in the way of Murdoch turning the UK into his corporate interest enslaved vision of the nation (a.k.a United States version 2).

 

[Salazar]

Murdoch doesn't have to be actively conspiratorial anymore. It's in the fucking drinking water. That's why there won't be a memo telling Kay to be an unhinged bitch to protestors. She just knows.

 

[Gary Whitta]

Brainwashing, really? You do human intelligence if not the British electorate a disservice. Your paranoia and claims of a Murdoch conspiracy just becomes more and more outlandish by the day. Next you'll be saying that Murdoch paid returning officers to refuse voters to vote after 10 pm or that he is bribing Clegg to go into a coalition with the Tories. If you have any more equally ridiculous claims to make avaya, please be sure to let me know. I'll admit, I love conspiracy theories as much as the next guy. I suppose my only fear is that you will 'brainwash' people with your claims /sarcasm.

You should do some reading about Murdoch and his empire. Check out some of the stuff about how he agreed to tow the Chinese government propaganda line in his newspapers and TV news networks in order to get the lucrative Star TV satellite contract in China. This was all detailed in a book by Chris Patten, the former governor of Hong Kong. That book was due to be published by Harper-Collins but Murdoch spiked it when he decided it painted him in an unfavorable light, then prevented all his newspapers from reviewing it. If you don't think he's capable of throwing public interest to the wolves in order to make more money you just haven't read enough about him.

 

[sohois]

The BBC and Ofcom are pretty much the only things in the way of Murdoch turning the UK into his corporate interest enslaved vision of the nation (a.k.a United States version 2).

ITV, Channel 4 & Channel 5 all have news shows, and there are many papers not owned by Murdoch. I hardly feel the BBC and Ofcom are the 'last line of defence'.

 

[blazinglord]

Removal of Ofcam was one of the conditions of Murdoch's deal with the Tories.

Evidence?

Have you watched Fox News?

Not properly but using Fox News doesn't really back up your theory. Otherwise, Obama would have lost the election and more people would have overwhelmingly believed that he is a Muslim terrorist planning to turn White House into a mosque. Also the fact that the a large section of the American population knows that Fox news is ridiculously biased and unreliable doesn't correspond with your claim that people too stupid to know the difference between truth and fiction

None of what I've said about Murdoch is in anyway outlandish. You are incredibly naive if you believe in the intelligence of the average person. Such a notion does not exsit. People are incredibly stupid.

I am surrounded by cretins every where. I get paid to rip-off fools.

It's one thing to market a single product but quite another to market an entire ideology based on varying news stories that has far too many uncontrollable variables.

I'll accept that there are some people who might believe that Fox news is impartial or believe every word the sun writes - but it's likely that those who chooses to read or watch whatever it is, are already predisposed to that viewpoint and merely seek reconfirmation. So all you can really credit the Murdoch press with is perhaps firming up the views of people who were already anti-labour/immigration/socialism or whatever it is Murdoch apparently espouses.

 

[CrunchinJelly]

ITV, Channel 4 & Channel 5 all have news shows, and there are many papers not owned by Murdoch. I hardly feel the BBC and Ofcom are the 'last line of defence'.

ITV and Channel 4 is ITN.

Channel 5's news is done by Sky.

 

[Veidt]

ITV, Channel 4 & Channel 5 all have news shows, and there are many papers not owned by Murdoch. I hardly feel the BBC and Ofcom are the 'last line of defence'.

All of these he can potentially defeat by slander, or even takeover.
Didn't you read what Avaya said?
Why do you think he's targeting Ofcom and getting the Tories to get rid of it?
Ofcom is one of the best things this country has in terms of regulation and stopping bullshit from being fed to the public. And the BBC has to be neutral by law. So it can't be bought over. In other words, they're what's keeping the devil Murdoch out.

 

[Salazar]

It's one thing to market a single product but quite another to market an entire ideology based on varying news stories that has far too many uncontrollable variables.

An ideological theme is enough, and in any case, it's only political philosophers who take the intellectual trouble to conceive and construct for themselves a coherent ideology in full. Most folks, myself among them, just have an array of tendencies.

 

[Empty]

Sky News is on Freeview. It is a relative minority compared to the BBC, however with the bull it spreads, this can only be a good thing.

Hasn't Fox News' vieweship steadily risen the more batshit insane its gotten, and exploded over the last few years with the rise of Beck and their tea party sponsorship, though. The fear is that Sky News will be much more popular once it is freed from the shackles of ofcom and the impartiality rules, as it can start bringing in the kind of reactionary, simplistic and populist right wing arguments that make Littlejohn so popular and start to phase out boring and complicated things like factually and objectively reporting what's actually going on.

 

[blazinglord]

You should do some reading about Murdoch and his empire. Check out some of the stuff about how he agreed to tow the Chinese government propaganda line in his newspapers and TV news networks in order to get the lucrative Star TV satellite contract in China. This was all detailed in a book by Chris Patten, the former governor of Hong Kong. That book was due to be published by Harper-Collins but Murdoch spiked it when he decided it painted him in an unfavorable light, then prevented all his newspapers from reviewing it. If you don't think he's capable of throwing public interest to the wolves in order to make more money you just haven't read enough about him.

I'm failing to see the link between corporatism of News International and the supposed brainwashing of people? I'm sure he has destroyed the reputations of many of people, plenty of businessmen and women do it, so do journalists who make a virtue of doing it. Arguably, it's good business to get a foot in the Chinese market. Nobody ever said that business was or ought to be the paragon of good virtue and morals. Its sole purpose is to make profit, not make the world a better place.

 

[Salazar]

Nobody ever said that business was or ought to be the paragon of good virtue and morals.

Whole bunch of people did, some of 'em clever.

 

[Veidt]

Nobody ever said that business was or ought to be the paragon of good virtue and morals.

yeah I totally agree. those children in GSCE should be working right now. Why waste time?

 

[blazinglord]

Whole bunch of people did, some of 'em clever.

Lol. Look I'm not defending Murdoch's business practices, I'm sure it's very questionable. But I'm failing to see where Murdoch's business practices (which are understandably favourable to his corporation), are actually influencing or 'brainwashing' whole swathes of people.

 

[blazinglord]

yeah I totally agree. those children in GSCE should be working right now. Why waste time?

Look, if you were head of a corporation, chances are you didn't reach there by being too concerned about others. Business leaders are usually self-interested cunts, it's their drive that gets them where they are. I'm not defending it, I'm just saying how it is.

 

[sohois]

All of these he can potentially defeat by slander, or even takeover.
Didn't you read what Avaya said?
Why do you think he's targeting Ofcom and getting the Tories to get rid of it?
Ofcom is one of the best things this country has in terms of regulation and stopping bullshit from being fed to the public. And the BBC has to be neutral by law. So it can't be bought over. In other words, they're what's keeping the devil Murdoch out.

If your first statement were true, then why has it not happened already? Why has Murdoch not taken over or slandered the newspaper competition into extinction? What is more, I cannot see News Corp taking over Channel 4 or ITV in the near future. Finally, i think you're overestimating what a government could do the BBC or Ofcom, as well as the range of Murdoch's ambitions. Murdoch is not some political idealist, he's a businessman. His main aim is most probably to reduce the competitiveness of the bbc, not to remove it from existence.

 

[blazinglord]

If your first statement were true, then why has it not happened already? Why has Murdoch not taken over or slandered the newspaper competition into extinction? What is more, I cannot see News Corp taking over Channel 4 or ITV in the near future. Finally, i think you're overestimating what a government could do the BBC or Ofcom, as well as the range of Murdoch's ambitions. Murdoch is not some political idealist, he's a businessman. His main aim is most probably to reduce the competitiveness of the bbc, not to remove it from existence.

But you know, the conspiracy that Murdoch secretly wants to take over the world and impose his hideously-capitalist will onto the proles makes for a better story. Even I like that idea compared to just seeing Murdoch's actions as shrewd business moves.

 

[Chinner]

If your first statement were true, then why has it not happened already? Why has Murdoch not taken over or slandered the newspaper competition into extinction? What is more, I cannot see News Corp taking over Channel 4 or ITV in the near future. Finally, i think you're overestimating what a government could do the BBC or Ofcom, as well as the range of Murdoch's ambitions. Murdoch is not some political idealist, he's a businessman. His main aim is most probably to reduce the competitiveness of the bbc, not to remove it from existence.

pretty sure murdoch owns a decent size share of ITV.

 

[blazinglord]

pretty sure murdoch owns a decent size share of ITV.

Pretty sure that's the idea of corporatism. Eliminate competition and create monopolies.

 

[sohois]

pretty sure murdoch owns a decent size share of ITV.

Well that i was unaware of, though owning a share of itv doesn't mean Murdoch would suddenly start intervening in the day to day running of the company. Plus my previous argument still stands that Murdoch is just a businessman focused on profit; as Blazinglord said, he is not seeking to impose some political regime on people, only to maximize his profit.