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UK PoliGAF: General election thread of LibCon Coalitionage
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Subliminal
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The First Labour MP calling for Gordon Brown to Resign!!
killer_clank
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curls said:
I reckon this time it's gonna happen.
killer_clank
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Does anyone honestly think Cameron is going to neuter his chances of becoming PM in order to stop a political reform referendum. I think he'll at least go for it if it becomes a pre-requisite for LD support, but god knows what the rest of his party would do.
Jill Sandwich
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I can't see a LD/Con coalition lasting very long as Cameron wants all the power and doesn't want to share it. We live in interesting times.
blazinglord
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Am I the only one who thinks Brown is in a strong position here when it comes to the issue of his leadership of the Labour party? 1. he didn't lead Labour into complete annihilation as widely expected 2. he is still the Prime Minister, if he resigns then the Queen would be roundedly criticised if she then asked another Labour MP if he can form a government without asking the leader with the largest number of seats first. 3. A second Labour PM imposed onto the electorate without consulting the electorate with an election would be pretty breathtaking, even by Labour's standards.killer_clank said:
Ergo, if Labour forces Brown out then they will probably lose their only real chance of staying in power. Of course I would welcome this scenario and a minority Tory government, but I'm just demonstrating that Brown is in a far better position right now than people seem to realise.
lol the www.takebackparliament.com website has slowed to a crawl.
I think that demonstration just resonated with a lot of people.
I think that demonstration just resonated with a lot of people.
killer_clank
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Wes said:
:lol
The public argument over vote reform is getting interesting. Conservative mps and party members coming out and saying that no voter brought it up with them, then protests like that one on the other end. I'm sure Clegg would like these protests to continue to put pressure on the conservatives, they're more powerful than some MPs in front of a mic.
gofreak said:
It's spin from the tories as i find it hard to believe that the tories wouldn't run into a Lib Dem voter who named it as a crucial thing though, but i'd think there's some underlying truth to it. I don't think people are really that informed about what political reform means, we haven't really had a national debate on the issue, Clegg didn't really explain it in the leaders debate when he had rare attention for his platform, and we haven't had a really obvious injustice like the Lib Dems getting more votes than Labour but vastly less seats to very clearly break it as a system. It's supported by the majority if someone frames the argument like "Change the voting system for electing MPs, so that individual constituencies become much larger and parties are represented in parliament broadly in line with their national vote.", but i don't think people really know about why it's a problem, so don't think or care about it.
Hot Coldman
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killer_clank said::lol
Looks like the lovechild of Doc Brown and the drunk priest of Father Ted.
Gary Whitta
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Kay Burley defeated somebody?
dr_octagon
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Could have two threads, see if they work together, maybe have another minor thread be part of the discussion too. The main thing is that the thread remains stable.Chinner said:
Dark Machine
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dr_octagon said:
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol That was one worthy of Hislop!
killer_clank
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I'd say keep this thread until we have a government.
killer_clank
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Veidt said:
:lol
Gary Whitta
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Odds on Brown being PM by end of Monday?
Subliminal
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Gary Whitta said:
Impossible to say.
scotcheggz
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Is anyone else getting a bit ragged off with all this? Monday? Come on, get your shit together! In an age where people are clamouring for political reform and transparency, we're putting up with back room deals and scraps of information.
Come the fuck on, we've done our job, now you do yours! Make deals sure, but tell the people whats is REALLY going on every step of the way. Fuck sake.
Come the fuck on, we've done our job, now you do yours! Make deals sure, but tell the people whats is REALLY going on every step of the way. Fuck sake.
Build your own coalition government:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/interactive/2010/may/07/parties-coalition-government
With the SNP and Plaid Cymru offering support for a progressive party with electoral reform if I was LD I would be tempted to go away. I reckon Clegg is playing hardball in an attempt to get rid of Brown.
Labour + LD + Alliance party + SNP + PD = 325 seats.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/interactive/2010/may/07/parties-coalition-government
With the SNP and Plaid Cymru offering support for a progressive party with electoral reform if I was LD I would be tempted to go away. I reckon Clegg is playing hardball in an attempt to get rid of Brown.
Labour + LD + Alliance party + SNP + PD = 325 seats.
Gary Whitta
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Can you imagine this in America? :lolscotcheggz said:
blazinglord
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Welcome to coalition governments.scotcheggz said:
phisheep
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blazinglord said:
It is one big huge dilemma, since Brown is simultaneously
(a) the best chance of keeping Labour in power with a coalition agreement
(b) the biggest obstacle to coming up with a coalition agreement in the first place
There's no way out of it.
Still, I'd like to see him stay on as leader just for the entertainment value of the next PMQs when all his pet projects get ditched
APZonerunner
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So, how long is this coalition going to last before it collapses and an emergency election is called? 6 months? 8 months?
I reckon we get a tory minority government, with lib dem support on a queens speech and promising not to launch a vote of no confidence for at least a year, in exchange for a cabinet seat (clegg at foreign office). then the tories call an election this time next year.
fantastic :lol :lol
dr_octagon said:
fantastic :lol :lol
scotcheggz said:
Clegg is negotiating with a right wing cabal who seek to suppress the will of the average voter so that they may keep power at all costs. This is not something to be treated lightly.
Coalition negotiations can take some time. They have till May 25th. This is an entirely natural process that occurs in most democracies across the world.
Graphics Horse
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phisheep said:
Could he form a coaltion on the basis that he helps get PR through before standing down? (potentially calling another election under PR at the same time)
Withnail said:
:lol
I tend to watch Sky a lot, but watching the BBC mostly on this election, and comparing against Sky and how it 'casts' the news on this election, it's not hard to see that Murdoch agenda shine through a bit. Nothing like the newspapers, but still there, subtly.
Gary Whitta
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:lol :lol :lolWithnail said:
gofreak said:
Alliance member also confirmed to go with Labour/SDLP last I heard.
Caroline Lucas also likely to do the same.
SNP are basically desperate. Plaid might be a stumbling block. All the minors know that all they need is to hold the referendum, which they will win quite easily and then....new election.
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