-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
UK PoliGAF: General election thread of LibCon Coalitionage
- Thread starter Chinner
- Start date
- Status
dr_octagon
Banned
Bremner, Bird and Fortune on Channel 4 now - should be good.
NekoFever
Member
What is up with the scheduling of Have I Got New For You this series? The last couple clashed with the debates and since they're recorded the night before they couldn't have any material on them anyway, and the next episode is on election night... but recorded the night before. It's on before the polls close so I can watch it without missing anything, but what the fuck? If it had been on Friday like it usually was it could be somewhat topical.
Souldriver
Member
I just know I'm going to follow this thing all day long, even though I shouldn't be that interested into it, and have lots of other stuff to do.
Recently I watched the whole live debate and vote in the US Congress on Health Care. It spanned from about 2 till 6 o clock in the morning where I live.
Something's wrong with me...
Recently I watched the whole live debate and vote in the US Congress on Health Care. It spanned from about 2 till 6 o clock in the morning where I live.
Something's wrong with me...
Well, there's nothing to follow during the day, the news usually covers the final push of the campaign with the parties doing their "get out the vote" routine. It all gets going at 9.50PM.Souldriver said:
I also watched the final votes on healthcare until like 4am... no idea why.
ALSO: Press Association - list of result declarations in time order:
http://election.pressassociation.com/Declaration_times/general_by_time.php
Souldriver
Member
So the results of the elections only start rolling in after midnight? That's very late. Are there exit polls and partial results to build the tension and cause confusion?jas0nuk said:
If not, I might just get up early in the morning the next day (although I doubt I'll be able to resist to just follow it all
).And there better be some sort of live stream for BBC's coverage outside of the UK!!
freethought
Member
NekoFever said:
If you think about it, if HIGNFY was, as usual, recorded on Thursday and shown on Friday, they'd be the only people on TV that day not talking about the election result. It would be less topical if anything. Ditto for the debates.
Polling stations close at exactly 10PM. It is illegal to start counting normal ballots or postal ballots until then. It takes a long time depending on how long it takes to collect all the ballot boxes, related to the geographical size of each constituency (they're all meant to have around 50,000 voters so some of the countryside constituencies are absolutely enormous) and sometimes there can be 2, 3 or even 4 recounts if the result is close.Souldriver said:So the results of the elections only start rolling in after midnight? That's very late. Are there exit polls and partial results to build the tension and cause confusion?
If not, I might just get up early in the morning the next day (although I doubt I'll be able to resist to just follow it all
And there better be some sort of live stream for BBC's coverage outside of the UK!!
During the day, BBC+ITV+SKY have joined forces to do a massive exit poll of 15,000 people which is announced at exactly 10PM on all 3 channels.
Gives a good idea of the share of the vote but due to the FPTP system, it's pretty difficult to work out which way the seats will fall.
Also, my constituency isn't meant to declare until 5am. ;_;
Charlie Brooker on why Brown's shit public persona is endearing, how David Cameron was designed by either James Cameron or Ridley Scott and some media-bashing thrown in for good measure: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/may/03/charlie-brooker-cameron-brown-clegg
NekoFever
Member
I have work in the morning, but only until lunchtime. Can I make it all the way if I promise myself sleep on Friday afternoon?jas0nuk said:
In fairness, I stayed up and watched the entire US presidential election right through to Obama's victory speech, so I should at least do the same for ours.
J Tourettes
Banned
I've taken the Friday as AL, which is annoying as I'm planning onleaving soon and was relying on tye holiday pay to tide me over. Hopefully it'l be worth it to see a hung ppaliament (pretty, pretty please?)
There are numerous examples of this where I come from. Telstra for a start. Before Telstra was privatised, it sucked big dick. Now, they actually have a 3G network and touch-screen landline phones. Then there's Medibank Private (the Private is a misnomer, it's Government owned private health insurance). The current government can't wait to get rid of that. The only one I can think of that's even remotely acceptable is the postal service.
To me David Cameron looks like he's going to turn out like John Key in NZ; very blurry levels of conservative, he even got an emissions trading scheme introduced.
To me David Cameron looks like he's going to turn out like John Key in NZ; very blurry levels of conservative, he even got an emissions trading scheme introduced.
Yeah, luckily they were sold off the in 80s and 3 million people lost their jobs because the private companies couldn't support themselves during a recession.Ventron said:
The thing is, I've come out in support of nationalisation earlier in this thread. The nationalisation of several companies, like BT or British Airways were on balance in my opinion very good ideas, hell I'm not even against the privatisation of Royal Mail. But there's a time and a place for these things, and it certainly is never when you're in a climate that the company will do much worse than it would as part of the govt., which is why Royal Mail privatisation plans have rightly been put on hold. The risk of unemployment is too great.
That view is centre-right as far as British politics go, so it's a little annoying when you act like everyone in this thread against your all privatisation all the time speech is some crazed lefty. They're everyone of all parts of the political spectrum except whatever crazy out of touch far right you seem to be operating on.
You were quoting a poster who was laughing at someone for saying he's never seen a govt. run any company better than a private organisation while telling lefties to 'calm down', so I assumed that you were posting in support of the original poster. Apologies if that was not the case.Ventron said:
scotcheggz
Member
Ventron said:
This begs the question of what were you doing in the 80's? Becuase you were either:
A. In the minority, i.e. Tory boy, laughing it up in the city at the 3+ million unemployed, lazy scum. (3+mil / over 10% of the population either way you swing it, it's bad. Not to mention the huge division of social classes.)
B. Like most people, living in hard times and surrounded by people living in hard times.
C. Not born.
I don't disagree with you completely, but to say that it was lucky they were sold of then, of all times, is really ignorant.
Ventron said:
John Key is a good Prime Minister, unfortunately he has decided to pair up with Act which is going to bring Auckland to its knees due to Supercity.
But besides Supercity and the ETS (National's ETS pretty much subsidises businesses for a couple of years). I don't agree with him on mining, but he does raise some very good pro-mining points) he is a resonable prime minister.
I really really doubt Cameron is going to be as reasonable as Key when it comes down to it really, Key isn't a conservative, Cameron is (by which I mean John Key himself isn't much one, the National front bench of Jerry Brownlee however is quite).
Sage00 said:
I was laughing at the first quote, which was conservatives are all rich dumb tabloid readers etc etc. I was just shocked at the level of personal abuse against conservatives; I don't think even US PoliGAF was at that level.
scotcheggz said:
My country didn't have a severe recession in the 80s due to a reform barrage like mass privatisation, the float of the dollar, tariff removals etc. It didn't really hit us until the early 90s. So I apologise for not realising that. However, I still think that, at least today, the government would be far worse off had it kept all that weight in its belly.
scotcheggz
Member
Ventron said:
Sorry I didn't even realise you weren't from the UK, I wouldn't have sounded like a moody prick so much if I had known. I still harbour some bitterness from back then :lol
I'm pretty left, I mean, I would say probably quite a lot left, but I'm not against all privatisation. I think in the UK, the word leaves a bit of a bad taste in the mouth these days. It's been handled so poorly in the past, it's hard to think of it in a positive light.
As for Torys, well, looking back at their record in modern history, I don't trust them as far as I can kick them. If they get in power though, I hope they can prove me wrong and Cameron really is all about change and new ideas. I just find it very hard to believe, especially when Camerons facade is so transparent.
With all this talk of privatization, I'd just like to recommend everyone here watch and read "The Commanding Heights".
PBS website for the documentary, you can watch all three episodes online.
PBS website for the documentary, you can watch all three episodes online.
So that church Gordon was talking from is on the corner of my street. Made sure all my doors and windows were firmly locked just to be safe.
Clegg is having a talk nearby today. He was just in Lewisham 5 minutes ago and the talk is in Streatham Hill at 11:00am. He has to floor it if he want to get there on time.
Clegg is having a talk nearby today. He was just in Lewisham 5 minutes ago and the talk is in Streatham Hill at 11:00am. He has to floor it if he want to get there on time.
blazinglord
Member
*sighs*, The conservatives here will just have to console themselves with the prospect that victory will be ours on Friday morning! I don't blame the lefties for being pissed off though - I imagine it must be quite painful to feel completely powerless by the oncoming blue sea of change.Ventron said:
I think though, that David Cameron will be a good PM and people will be pleasantly surprised by his centrist government. Hopefully then people will stop dragging up the 1980s and feel ready to forgive the Tories of the 1980s (who have since died or retired), and look to the future.
By the way, with all this talk about the how 'awful' the 1980s and Thatcher was. It is only fair to see what the two left-wing party leaders think about that period:
Nick Clegg - Nick Clegg praises Margaret Thatcher's legacy
Gordon Brown - Gordon Brown 'admires' Margaret Thatcher
Dr Zhivago
Member
Varion said:
Yay! Central used to be a massive Labour safe seat, but there is just about potential for change. Certainly I've had 10x as much LibDem stuff through my letterbox as anyone else (including one pathetic BNP leaflet with a hilarious picture of cross-eyed Griffin).
P.S. Has anyone used 'Cameruin' to refer to a Tory victory yet? If not, I'm trademarking it.
blazinglord said:
Clegg might think Thatcher was brave in taking on the unions and admired her fearless approach and desire for change, but i don't get the impression that he liked her as prime minister.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ney-ahead-of-morality-says-clegg-1639258.html
freethought
Member
scotcheggz said:
I remember a couple of years ago National Express defaulted on the East Coast Line so the government just took it off them. It then turned out that the same rules that allowed the government to take back ownership of the East Coast line would allow them to renationalise the entire rail network for free. What's more 80% of the public supported such a move. There was no serious discussion about it.
killer_clank
Member
I'm still undecided. Either SNP or Lib Dems.
Think I'm gonna end up voting in a snap decision in the polling booth, tbh.
Think I'm gonna end up voting in a snap decision in the polling booth, tbh.
killer_clank
Member
Sir Fragula said:
I would just look at the 2005 election results but the Conservatives were a comfortable second then, and I don't think that's going to be the case this year, with the growth in popularity of the SNP over the last few years (We have an SNP MSP and council) and the Lib Dems in the past few weeks.
It's hard to judge.
Mecha_Infantry
Banned
Chinner said:todays polls makes me happy
YouGov: CON 34%(-1) LAB 28% (+1) LDEM 29% (+1)
ICM: CON 33%(-3), LAB 28%(-1), LDEM 28%(+1).
I like
I like
Did anyone watch the talks by Brown and Clegg on BBC Parliament? Clegg was in Lewisham and seemed very excited. Brown seemed energised for some reason.
These elections are far from over guys
killer_clank
Member
RedShift said:
This. Channel 4 lulz are only till 1am anyways, and the vast majority of results are at 2:30, so I don't think I'll miss much tbh.
defel1111 said:Thanks a lot I just lost 2 hours where I should have been revising
It's really quite amazing that they're able to get interviews with everyone from Clinton to Gordon Brown and Gorbachev. If you like it, check out the book as well.
I own the DVDs, but I have watched a lot of it on the website as well. It sucks that you have to click on each 5-6 minute chapter, but it does have cool features like the captions, and links to "related content" on the left side.
TheHeretic
Banned
Chinner said:todays polls makes me happy
YouGov: CON 34%(-1) LAB 28% (+1) LDEM 29% (+1)
ICM: CON 33%(-3), LAB 28%(-1), LDEM 28%(+1).
Liberal Democrats are one of the best parties I've seen in terms of policy, compared to many countries. I'd like it if they were more right wing but still, a pretty exciting election.
- Status
Similar threads
- Locked