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Dabookerman
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industrian said:
On my first shot at this.. like a quick breeze through, I ended up with 5 BNP, 3 Tory, and 2 UKIP...
I was selected some of the ones that stood out I suppose.
A lot of people may end up voting this way and be completely serious about it.
SmokyDave said:
I always thought you looked like scum!
A lot of Lib Dem voters here, yay!
Crime: Green Party
Education: Green Party
Environment: Green Party
Democracy: Lib Dems
Health: Green Party
Economy: UKIP (ugh)
Europe: Green Party
Immigration: Labour
Welfare: Lib Dems
Even though this says Green party, I disagree with a few of their policies enough to go with the Lib Dems in the General Election. Plus, a Lib Dem vote is SLIGHTLY less wasted than a Green one. Don't know where the UKIP economy one came from..:lol
Education: Green Party
Environment: Green Party
Democracy: Lib Dems
Health: Green Party
Economy: UKIP (ugh)
Europe: Green Party
Immigration: Labour
Welfare: Lib Dems
Even though this says Green party, I disagree with a few of their policies enough to go with the Lib Dems in the General Election. Plus, a Lib Dem vote is SLIGHTLY less wasted than a Green one. Don't know where the UKIP economy one came from..:lol
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
Looking at the site now it looks like the Greens are running a train on everyone, and I think the site is biased in their favour.
It's subconscious but it's definitely there. :lol
It's subconscious but it's definitely there. :lol
What can I do? I agree with them on a lot of issues obviously. To be fair, I don't expect them to effect anything in their manifesto so it's irrelevant. I answered honestly though and I was quite surprised at the result.Chinner said:oh smokey dave
Anglo-Saxon scum I'll have you know.Dabookerman said:
Updated the OP. Added some shit at the top of the OP about stuff to watch out for, and will try rotate it for newer stuff as it happens. Also added the BBC to sources of news (durr) and some parties to the minor party list.
In other news: Nobody cares.
In other other news:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1261519/Pensioner-oldest-father-Britain-74.html
In other news: Nobody cares.
In other other news:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1261519/Pensioner-oldest-father-Britain-74.html
not sure if this is a good thing. I mean, obviously good for the father cause he has the right and he'd got a kid, but bit shit for for the kid. i mean when he's 10 he'll be 84 and when he'ls 20 he'll be 94 (probably dead long before anyway).
blazinglord
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OuterWorldVoice said:
Seems kind of weak to not vote for a party that hasn't been in power for 14 years based on its last government record. Not to mention that the much loathed Poll Tax (which is the council tax renamed) didn't stop the electorate from voting Major in 1992.
J Tourettes
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Chinner said:
Lucky kid will be able to get on the property ladder at an early age if his dad pops his clogs in his nineties.
blazinglord said:
Council tax != Poll Tax
The former is a bit like the old "rates" that preceded the Poll Tax in that the charge is based on a "value" assigned to the property in which you live. The Poll Tax was a charge on each adult irrespective of type of residence. The Poll Tax was actually good for me when I lived by myself :lol
I think people voted for Major because the opposition weren't a credible government in waiting - 'better the devil you know' etc.
Well the tories are returning to type, only now just promising a tax cut after weeks of telling everyone that budget cuts should come first and be deeper than anyone else was promising. Cameron did, for a while, give the impression the party had changed but it looks like he has caved in to the right wing like every tory leader before him.
i got lib dems, which is who i am voting for, so go me. 2x lib dems (welfare, economy) 1x green party (democracy) 1x tory (education).
labour really are terrible at writing policies these days, they were by far the easiest to identify and contain so much bullshit politics speak to cover up a lack of ideas.
labour really are terrible at writing policies these days, they were by far the easiest to identify and contain so much bullshit politics speak to cover up a lack of ideas.
J Tourettes
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Empty said:
You should've checked all the policy boxes to get a bigger picture.
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
A Conservative government is an organised hypocrisy.
Dabookerman
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So why won't Lib Dems ever win ?
?industrian
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Dabookerman said:So why won't Lib Dems ever win
Lol.
Nexus Zero
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curls said:
Instead, vote for a party who will definitely win! This way your vote counts! Thanks curls, you have shown us the light!
Because too many people think 'Elections' mean 'Choosing between Labour and Conservative'. The Lib-Dems seem to be stuck as 'also-rans' and people foolishly think that they're either a wasted vote or a protest vote against the other two.Dabookerman said:So why won't Lib Dems ever win
Dabookerman
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SmokyDave said:
Yeah. Something needs to be done about that, seriously. Market Lib Dems as "It would be like voting for Obama!". Since a lot of people in this country (I think) have steadily started to lean towards the left (I think).
Also the comments made me laugh, good show. But I am sending off my registration to vote tomorrow. Apparently my mum said when they asked me 2 years ago, I told her I wasn't interested. Something i really don't remember saying. So yeah.
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
SmokyDave said:
Well in Scotland the Liberal Democrats may eventually push Labour into third place.
But yeah, there's a over a century of class struggle that the Liberal Democrats have to make up for.
Stealing this from SA, cause its just so good!
gonna vote for these guysranathari said:
I figured we might as well have a small semieffortpost on one of the more lunatic parties fielding candidates this year, mainly because they've been putting an awful lot of leaflets through my letterbox lately (despite the sign saying "no junk mail, no political leaflets and no religious crap please").
This charming gentleman is the Reverend George Hargreaves, the leader of the Christian Party. He's notable for 2 things: he's the first Afro-Caribbean leader of a political party in the UK and he wrote the smash gay club hit "So Macho" in 1986, the proceeds of which he's used to fund a party campaigning on an anti-gay platform.
He's a fairly good example of the lunatic fringe who care about getting into Parliament more than they do about the concept of MPs representing their constituencies: although the party started in Ilford, he stood in Birmingham in a 2004 by-election, Na h-Eileanan an Iar in the 2005 general election, Dunfermline and Fife 2006 by-election, and the Haltemprice and Howden 2008 by-election. The party only has one elected representative and that's a councillor in Wales.
So, what are their policies? You can download their draft manifesto here if you're willing to be bombarded with emails from them, otherwise lets have a look at their synopsis.
Taxation
Introduce a single rate Income Tax of 20 per cent for earnings in excess of £12,000 per annum.
Exempt individuals earning £12,000 per annum or less, and married couples whose combined income, being treated as one single income, is £24,000 per annum or less from all Income Tax and National Insurance Contribution. All other Income Tax exemptions will be abolished.
Introduce a single rate Corporation Tax of 20 per cent based on revenue minus the purchases of raw materials and inputs from other firms, wages, pension payments to workers and the purchase of plant and equipment. All other corporate tax relief will be scrapped.
Scrap taxation on interest payments on local savings or dividends on local shareholdings.
Allow 100 per cent tax allowance for investment in plant and equipment in the year of purchase.
Set Capital Gains Tax at 20 per cent
Abolish Inheritance Tax.
Increase VAT to 20 per cent whilst maintaining the current exemptions.
Reduce the size of the Inland Revenue Service.
Law & Order
Stamp out the sex slave trade. Bring heavy penalties to bear on sex slave-traders and slave-drivers.
Raise the motorway speed limit to 90mph.
Enact a speeding fines amnesty in cases where fines were more a matter of revenue collection than road safety.
Limit fines for overstaying in car parks to a maximum of the cost of the day rate for parking in the facility.
Establish the concept of restorative justice with the imposition of substantial financial penalties on criminals in order to compensate victims and pay for damage done to property.
Put in place a zero tolerance approach towards illegal drug possession for personal use through the use of a full range of alternative punishments, rather than prison sentences.
Ban the use of bailiffs by national and local authorities as the first face to face encounter with those in financial debt to such authorities for whatever reason.
Education
Keep open and resource schools in small towns and rural communities wherever possible.
Review the size of schools in terms of numbers.
Re-instate the teaching of Classical subjects in every school.
Introduce an Education Voucher Scheme.
Support the use of reasonable force by teachers to maintain discipline in schools.
Allow schools to elect to use supervised corporal punishment as a punishment of last resort instead of Exclusions.
Re-instate mandatory Christian religious education in schools. (NB: their manifesto during the last general election clarified this further - it'll be done at the expense of any education about other faiths and non-Christian children will be forced to attend these lessons)
Seek sanctions for schools that refused to comply with their obligation to assemble pupils for an act of daily worship. Such acts of worship should be Christian.
Ensure that the United Kingdoms Christian heritage is properly reflected in the National Curriculum.
Ensure that proper balanced teaching and debate occurs in schools around the concepts of Evolution and Creation/Design in the universe.
Ensure that schools are not forced to change their values by employing those who disagree with those values.
Promote vocational training in schools, Further Education Colleges and universities.
Link the funding of university courses to the medium and long term needs of society and the economy through consultation with industry and community leaders.
Put an end to university tuition fees funded by student loans.
Call a halt to plans to give sex education lessons in Primary Schools.
Call for sex education classes to be given only to teenagers on a parental opt-in basis.
Ensure that chastity before marriage and faithfulness within marriage - as the best and safest sexual practice - will be taught as an integral part of any sex education curriculum.
Call for the end of the promotion and teaching in schools of homosexuality as a family relationship.
Abolish SATs testing.
Social Security
Reform the benefit system to eradicate the risk associated with leaving the Welfare system and entering work. This would be accomplished by suspending benefit claims for a period of 9 months rather than closing them when an unemployed person gains employment. Within the 9 months period an unemployed person will be able to audit three jobs before their claim is liable closure.
Health
Sell off state owned hospitals and healthcare facilities to private sector healthcare providers.
Contract in services from private sector healthcare providers in order to maintain and improve the National Health Service provision.
Support initiatives, including the use of private medical insurance and compensation awarded by the courts, to bring personal financial responsibility to bear upon self-inflicted medical conditions and injury caused to others as a result of illegal or reckless acts.
Make private health insurance a visa requirement for migrants.
Oblige private medical insurers to inform the Home Office when a private medical insurance policy linked to a visa is allowed to lapse or expires.
Review Health and Safety legislation and reduce them to more appropriate levels.
Give parents knowledge and decision making rights regarding the medical treatment of their children. (I think you can basically read this as being anti-vaccination)
Immigration
Place European Union migrants on no more than the same footing as those from the Commonwealth nations.
Make private health insurance a visa requirement for immigrants.
Initiate a No (private sector) Home No Visa policy.
Support deportation for economic migrants convicted of imprisonable offences.
Maintain tight border controls.
Call for a partial-amnesty for illegal immigrants and their accomplices who have in all other aspects of their life, apart for employment, lived lawfully in the United Kingdom for at least seven years.
Support measures for the intensive processing for removal of all illegal immigrants that do not qualify for amnesty.
Environment
Challenge the 'business as usual' approach where increasing levels of consumption have eaten into the ecological capital of the world.
Call for the restoration of Sunday as a day of rest, to allow reflection by individuals and communities on the role they have to play. A re-ordering of values is needed.
Seek a new global financial system which supports fair and sustainable use of resources.
Press for substantial cuts in CO2 and other greenhouse gases to meet the imperative of keeping global average temperature increases as far below 2C as possible. This requires cuts in the range of 25-40% below 1990 levels by 2020.
Banking
Insist that the Bank of England kept all approaches to it for help secret.
Abolish the Financial Services Authority placing its function and responsibilities back with the Bank of England.
Government & Democracy
Support radical cuts in the public-sector workforce in order to reduce both the size of government and the size of the government spending.
Support a radical re-employment and training programme so that public-sector workers are not thrown on the scrap heap, but are empowered for a smooth transition into the private sector.
Call for a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty within the first year of the new Parliament.
Call for withdrawal from the European Union in the event that the United Kingdom electorate votes against the Lisbon Treaty in a referendum.
Call for voting in civic elections to be compulsory, and non-voting to be subject to a fine.
Give, for the purposes of fund raising, political parties the same status as charities.
Respect for the Human Person
Reject all attempts to re-define marriage.
Support funding for Hospices which provide terminal or palliative care for adults, children and infants.
Outlaw voluntary, non-voluntary and involuntary euthanasia by omission or by direct act, including neonatal euthanasia. So essentially banning late-term abortion
Support legislation to prevent the patenting of natural genetic material, modifications to the human gene line and the trade in sperm, ova and human beings at the embryonic stage of development.
End the practise of human cloning and the destruction of human embryos.
Seek the nationwide provision of pro-life pregnancy care services, including provision of accommodation for women made homeless by pregnancy, pregnant women with special needs and one-parent families.
Oppose moves to impose abortion on Northern Ireland.
Introduce random audits of abortion cases to verify compliance with present legislation. Where breaches are found prosecutions should follow and clinicians investigated by their appropriate professional bodies.
Call for the legal acknowledgement of post-abortion trauma as a women's disease, thereby ensuring recognition for the millions of women who have been violated, and make available funding for post-abortion counselling.
Withdraw government aid from any agency which promotes abortion or euthanasia.
Challenge the culture of death by seeking legislation which confers the full protection of the law on all human life from the conception until natural death.(Interesting how they haven't explicitly called for a ban on abortion)
Defence
Maintain a well resourced military with a nuclear deterrent.
Support the doctrine of a 'just war', but not military adventurism.
Withdraw British troops from Afghanistan.
Support an enabling role for British military training personnel, by way of providing military training for the Afghan army.
Treat our armed forces with the honour and respect that they deserve.
Increase pay for the Armed Forces.
Fight for radical improvement in care and support for ex-servicemen and ex-servicewomen.
In their manifesto for the last Scottish election, they also called for the following, which magically haven't made their way into their current list of policy promises:
A proposed referendum on the reinstitution of the death penalty for severe crimes, where two or three witnesses were present at the crime scene and forensic science confirms involvement.
Curfews for under 11 year olds, with mandatory intervention of child protection agencies in relation to any child 10 years or younger that is found unaccompanied on the street after 9:00pm.
Re-instatement of Section 28
"Mind Pollution Levy" on 18 Certificate Films, DVDs, CDs, Video Games and Top Shelf magazines.
Discouragement of the practice of addressing women as Ms..
That Mechanical Copyright Protection enjoyed by songwriters should be extended to featured recording artists and record producers. (Hmm, funny, just so happens that the party leader made his money through songwriting and record production)
They also want to change the Welsh flag because apparently the red dragon's a satanic symbol.
So, a little to the right of the BNP and with an even bigger hard-on for withdrawing the welfare state and privatising everything. How very Christian.
Dabookerman
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Chinner said:
I didn't even bother reading the rest of it. The moment I saw:
Raise the motorway speed limit to 90mph.
that was it. Vote +10.
Chriswok said:
Well, I just meant that Newcastle fans are completely insane is all. They hero worship a few figures & have massive delusions of grandeur. If they took control of their club, they'd probably hire Alan shearer again. And they'd sack every player who was born south of Yorkshire.
Whilst GAF is on the subject of the lib dems, I personally think that they'll become the dominant left-wing party over the next 20-30 years, presuming labour lose the next election. Labour are already in dire financial straits, and heavily dependant on the unions for funding, membership of which has been declining for years. Further, an election loss would almost certainly see a swing to the left, dooming labour to irrelevancy for at least 2 terms. All that would be needed to completely finish off labour is Scottish independance, which is probably much more likely to happen with a Conservative government. Of course, were this to happen, the result would be that Britain is still stuck in a 2 party system, just with Conservative/lib dems instead. Thoughts?
Mr. Luchador
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sohois said:
Oh another person who believes everything the Southern based media reports, great! Like any other club we do hero worship people who have brought us success (Shearer, Keegan, Bobby Robson). I'm not sure where this delusions of grandeur thing comes from, no one since 2005 has believed we're a club that was challenging for anything. However, I feel we're derailing the thread!
Tim the Wiz
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SmokyDave said:
Considering how you post here, not much of a surprise to me.
jas0nuk said:
this would be funny were it not for the fact that you are deadly serious which makes you shockingly delusional. I positively hate everything about people like you and your ignorance/naivety.
PR cannot come quick enough so that the conservative fringe movement is forever relegated to it's rightful minority place. Absolutely disgusting that the left leaning vote which is the entire labour liberal vote which regularly has a 10pt lead can at times be shut out by the fantasists on the other side. Electoral reform can not come quick enough. The system can even go as far as to say london is a conservative city. This could not be further from the truth
Joel Was Right
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Chinner said:
Support the doctrine of a 'just war', but not military adventurism.
Sigh
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