Unknown Soldier
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Oh alright this is the actual footage
UK's so-called "grooming gangs" get international attention
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How is that anything but horribly anti-semitic hate speech?
Go_Ly_Dow
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I am leaning towards that yes.
It's got a real potent mix of
Mass immigration, legal and illegal.
Rampant liberalism
Socialism via it's ballooning welfare state and increasing taxation
Globalism and still hasn't truly used the powers that Brexit has enabled
Netzero policy and environmental maniacs
Quango, aka charities, interest groups which work against regular people's interests etc
And then worst of all the self-flagellation in which the elites have created a culture where none of this countries former glory's, value system, freedoms, discoveries, inventions etc.. that have been a force of good for the world (and there are many of these) are taught to young people or celebrated. Instead the message is this country did some wrong things and now we must be diverse and tolerant.
National pride is a sin, patriotism is uncool.
Combine everything and many people, particularly the younger groups either hate this country or don't care much for it.
Our only hope is that Reform is leading in the polls and has a shot of power, but that won't be easy as you are going to see them try every dirty trick in the book to thwart them..
Even if they win power they have to completely unravel this all and there will still be pushback. So change only happens if they get a momentous majority.
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Windle Poons
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
Whoever is playing a real life version of The Sims with Britain just needs to delete their save and start a new game.
This experiment has failed spectacularly.
This experiment has failed spectacularly.
protonion
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I would really like before I die to at least have an explanation about this lunacy we are experiencing the last years.
If our society is doomed to collapse, at least let me know why.
Social media melted our brains?
High consumption of drugs?
Chemicals in our food?
A plan of the elite?
Nothing makes sense anymore.
If our society is doomed to collapse, at least let me know why.
Social media melted our brains?
High consumption of drugs?
Chemicals in our food?
A plan of the elite?
Nothing makes sense anymore.
It's a combination of money being poured in from actors like Qatar, social media fake bot engagements that drive hate, and liberals who think they are doing the right thing or afraid of backlash.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Unless you're a Scottish or Welsh nationalist. Then it's celebrated and encouraged.
winjer
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Never forget that the Palestinians were allied with Nazi Germany, during WW2.
This is the Palestinian leader, Mohammed Amin al-Husseini, The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, making the alliance with Hitler.
Dr. Suchong
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What a bunch of fucking morons.
Windle Poons
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
Covid fucked everyone mate. Nobody spoke to anyone and relied on the internet for everything.
Angry_Megalodon
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STOP giving liberals the benefit of the doubt. Till when we are gonna keep this lie?? Why everyone has no problem in pointing out what bastards the nazis were but describe the communists as "misguided people" ¿?? NO. They are sick bastards, evil to the core, the same as nazis and any other genocidal bunch.
Antisemitism in modern socities has its origin in KARL MARX, the prophet of the left, so restricting the hate towards jewes to nazis is history manipulation. Hitler used literal expresions of Marx, the left adores Marx, they both hate the jews. Propaganda made people that this was only a nazis thing. It wasnt.
Back to the present day, you have liberals using islam (a culture that they would never live in) to fight their own society because they want to impose a different set of values. It's a purposeful and evil plan, nothing to do with ignorance. They know exactly what they are doing. The ones who still don't are many of us and it's about time to realize what's really going on or else we are doomed.
ValiantInstance
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Reform are not equipped to deal with these issues. There is a reason why Domenic Cummings wanted to destroy the Civil Service. They exist as a power unto themselves, limiting the power of any leader who doesn't pursue Blairite liberalism. In fact Blair's sweeping reforms allowed this to happen.
You have to admire Labour in a way, they're not afraid to use their power to put their thumb on the scale for generations to come. The tories are on the other hand are scared of their own shadows.
It took Trump a whole term to realise he would be railroaded at every opportunity. Farage will never work it out, he's just happy to be there.
BattleScar
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The time of the greatest social mobility, growth of the British (and American) middle class wealth, was when taxes were significantly higher than they are now.
Since taxes have gone down, the wealth gap has widened and the middle class and working class have been squeezed hard. Privatisation of Railways, North Sea Oil, Energy, Utilities and Water has basically ruined all of these services thanks to Maggie Thatch, and reduced revenue streams for the government. Privatising Energy and North Sea was possibly the dumbest move in history if we're talking about balancing fiscal budgets.
What powers is that?
I can't believe people are still acting like Brexit was ever a good idea.
We live in the environment. Its pretty important.
Its amusing that liberal charities are looked at as having ruined Britain, when its actually all the billionaire-sponsored conservative think-tanks that have been around for decades trying to convince working class people that taxing people with several orders of magnitude more wealth than them is somehow a bad thing. Everyone always talks about the "Global elite wanting immigration" blah blah blah. When that's only half true. The global elite what ordinary working class and middle class people thinking that their enemy are immigrants, whilst they boom-bust the economy from on high and hoover up all the assets and wealth that the middle and working class accrued during the 50s-80s. All the while telling everyone that taxes for millionaires and billionaires is a bad thing.
I mean sure there are great things that Britain did, but what do you expect. For people to celebrate imperialism, slavery and exploitation that is the foundation of the power and influence of the former British Empire? Some shame is necessary for the world to become a better place for its children. If you ignore all of the bad things and focus only on the things you think were good, no lessons will ever be learned. And the stuff Britain should be proud of; Britain's success in WW2 and the Keynesian economic policy built following the war (and indeed the similar New Deal arrangement in the US) - stuff that really should be remembered, is basically forgotten. Because tax = bad.
Why should they care? The country has failed them. Ironically, you seem to agree! Although I suppose for entirely different reasons.
What do you expect Reform would do? Apart from finally fulfill Farage's wet dream of destroying the NHS and replacing it with the famously popular American Insurance-led model? Nah, Reform will finalise the bankrupting of Britain and scarper with the brown envelopes full of lobbyist cash and run off into the sunset. All the while British society will eat itself over nebulous terms like "sovereignty" and "Taking control".
Does this give Israel the right to genocide Palestinians? Being against the state of Israel committing a genocide should not be conflated with anti-Semitism.
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winjer
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That is a common lie. That there is a genocide.
Look at the stats for this war and you will find the death ratio for civilians death is very similar to other conflicts in the region.
And it could be lower, if Hamas was not hiding behind women and children. Putting weapon caches and missiles inside schools and hospitals.
This is a war, one that was initiated by the Palestinian side. One that could have ended much sooner if Hamas had surrendered and delivered the hostages.
The reality is that there is only one side that has been trying hard to commit genocide, that has stated this as their intentions, publicly and officially.
And that side is the Palestinians. Even before the forming of Israel, the Palestinians were so hell bent on the genocide of the Jewish people, that they allied themselves with Hitler and Nazi Germany.
Look at Palestinian protests and it's often that we find Nazi flags. These are not just some random Neo-Nazi that agrees with the Palestinians. These are Palestinians that agree with the holocaust.
The first point in Hamas political manifesto is to kill all the Jews, not just in Israel, but in the entire world. And it's not just Hamas that writes this, groups like Fatah and Hezbollah make the same claim.
BattleScar
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I'm not about to reduce the loss of human life to mere statistics. And just because its as bad as other regional conflict does not mean its acceptable.
Given that most of Palestine has been reduced to rubble, and that the casualties (civilian or military) are overwhelmingly on the side of Palestine, its looking pretty much like a genocide.
This "war" has been going on for decades. And I don't think for a minute the war would have stopped at the return of hostages.
So I guess it'd be ok for Israel to start a war with Germany too? You know the actual Nazi's who committed actual Genocide against the Jewish peoples.
So what's the solution. Wipe these people out? Just kill everyone? I.e commit genocide?
winjer
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The reason why you don't like these statistics, is because it proves there is no genocide. Just another conflict in the middle east.
One that, once again, was started by the Palestinians.
This war has been going on since the XII, when the Palestinians emigrated from Saudi Arabia, and invaded Israel.
Just consider that the Koran, has 150 mentions to Jews, Judea and Israel. But has zero mentions of the Palestinians.
All mentions of the this region in the Koran are with Israel, Judea and the Jews. Not one single mention to that region as Palestine or the Palestinians.
And the reason is simple the Palestinians are the invaders, the colonizers. The ones that have been trying to kill the Jews for centuries. Not just decades.
Germany has turned away from Naziism and antisemitism. They have paid reparations to Israel, normalized political relations and actively combat neo-Nazis and antisemitism.
The Palestinians still embrace antisemitism, genocide and the holocaust, in a very public way.
This is the strange thing, they don't even hide that they want to kill al, the Jews the entire world. Several Palestinian groups, both political and military, openly state this intent.
That is one question that you have to put to the Palestinians.
It's the Palestinians that have refuse all attempts to create a 2 state solution. It's the Palestinians that demand the death of all Jews, not just in Israel.
It's the Palestinians that have started all these conflicts, including the current war.
Artoris
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I think Jess Phillips looks informative
She looks like the state in which UK is in
YCoCg
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I don't want to vote for Reform unless they change their stance on the NHS, as bad as it is right now I wouldn't want to see it go and replaced with an American style screw you system, but apart of me would like to see them in power so they can prove if they'll actually go hard on stopping the boats and curbing immigration and sorting shit like these gangs out.
BigDeadFreak
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Every civilisation that ever rose up from the level of subsistence farming did so with slavery and colonialism. However, none of them have made the contributions to the world that the British did. We gave the following to the world:
Steam engine
Jet Engine
Electric motor
Antibiotics
Vaccines
Antiseptic surgery
The modern sewage system
Calculus
Industrial revolution
The first manned flight
Discovery of universal gravity
Computers
Telephones
What lessons are we learning by pretending that Britain was somehow uniquely bad and guilty when it came to slavery and colonialism? Where is the mea culpa from West Africans and Arabs when it comes to these crimes? Their civilisations enslaved millions without contributing half of what we did.
You talk about Keynesianism. We only had the money to pay for all of that because of the Marshall Plan. The US only had the money for that because of their own slavery, colonialism, burning fossil fuels and capitalism and because Europe spent WW1 emptying it's bank accounts into the US economy to fund our war. And, Europe only had money to spend on that war in the first place because of (you guessed it) slavery, colonialism, burning fossil fuels and capitalism.
As for Thatcher... Britain was a disaster in the 1970s despite decades of the postwar consensus economic policies. Most nationalised industries were a bloated mess and our industries were not competitive. Are things better now? Hardly, but it's not as if Thatcher spoiled paradise.
I'd love to see our country reduce the gap between rich and poor and deliver good public services for people. Unfortunately, the left has spent years alienating the working class with culture war nonsense and filling the country up with immigrants thus damaging social cohesion. The Nordic countries are always held up by the left as exemplars of progressivism but they do this by being homogenous and cohesive societies with high trust and a great sense of civic responsibility. In Britain the left has adopted a highly individualistic attitude which only serves to atomise our society and make collectivism far less likely.
Donald mac Ronald
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You've been listening to too much MSN where they purposely take what he said out of context. farage has said repeatedly the NHS will be free under reform. If there was any real hint of reform trying to charge people or make it American. It would be political suicide.
He has said the current model isn't delivering for tax payers. Doesn't mean he wants to charge people.
Looks like two tier kier had abit of a backbone for calling out the clown at Glastonbury
BattleScar
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And so is taught. Nothing wrong with being proud of that.
Because its British history and that is reason enough. Just because the British weren't unique in their colonialism, doesn't mean we should just gloss over it. British people should know British history; good and bad. No ifs, ands or buts.
If it upsets people that their nation was capable of depravity such that they no longer feel pride for the good thing, then that's their right. But that is the basis with which a nation and humanity at large can progress.
Learn about world history and the foibles of other nations too, by all means. Lord only knows how much WW1 and 2 and the crimes of the Germans are taught in British schools. But also, learn from Britain's own mistakes so as not to repeat them. We are now on the precipice of an age where there are no living survivors of WW2. With the attitude of "Well everyone did bad things, so lets focus on the positives", it won't be long until the sacrifices of that generation passed, will be forgotten or mythologised.
Oh I'm sure. But equally, there were extraordinarily high rates of tax. And those high rates of tax helped to pay for public services.
Failing that, what's the solution. Just give up?
You are right about one thing. The thing that build modern economies is energy and burning fossil fuels. Hopefully we can move beyond fossil fuel for energy in the not-too-distant future. For our own sake.
I mean a large part of it was the energy crisis caused by OPEC. When energy costs are high, inflation is rampant. Such is the environment that Mad Maggie came in. Her selling the house and the kitchen sink with it to private corporations helped nothing. Except to make ordinary people beholden to private, for-profit corporations, incentivised to cut costs and raise prices to pay shareholders, for their fundamental utilities and public infrastructure. Its been a demonstrable failure.
Maybe things wouldn't be perfect now, but at least energy and utilities costs would be lower and the trains might actually work.
I agree that the left has alienated the working class.
It doesn't help that the media, largely controlled by the few mega-wealthy have poured billions into making sure they are never inconvenienced by high taxes ever again, and for working class people to keep blaming other working class people of a different skin color or religion. Make no mistake, this would be possible even in a more homogenous society within Britain, because of classism. Social stratification is something of a British specialty. And honestly, Britain has never really been a homogenous nation. Its been ruled and invaded by kings all over Western Europe, and has significant cultural diversity in and of itself.
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p_xavier
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They just want a civil war.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Two tier policing in full sight.
A British mother goes to jail for tweeting "burn down the hotels for all I care".
She went to prison in record time. In the same period, Labour MP, Ricky Jones, was charged for encouraging violent disorder. Speaking to a crowd, he called the people rioting "Nazi fascists" and said "we need to cut their throats and get rid of them". His case hasn't even gone to trial yet, but the people posting far less violent messages on X and Facebook were in jail within weeks.
Kneecap calls for people to kill their MPs. Nothing. Kneecap praise Hezbollah, a group allied to Putin, who committed war crimes on civilians in Syria, including starvation tactics. Nothing.
Punk band Bob Vylan chant "death to the IDF". Nothing.
Make it make sense.
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the irony is, or maybe isn't, that Bob Dylan is a Zionist Jew.
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Dr.Morris79
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Do you get the feeling the tides changing though?
Somethings brewing indeed
You can only contain nonsense for so long.
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
Is there any country that's not?
Donald mac Ronald
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As much as we say joking that the internet was a mistake and social media etc.Do you get the feeling the tides changing though?
Somethings brewing indeed
You can only contain nonsense for so long.
With smartphones, internet and social media people who would normally swallow the establishment lies are finally seeing the bullshit first hand.
Two tier policing is a common topic that nearly everyone is aware of now. And ordinary people who don't spend their days screeching on social media are sick of the way the country has gone. Reforms insane rise has finally woken people up that they don't have to just vote labour or Tory like sheep any more.
The civil service will need complelty gutting though. It's full of Muslims who openly try to change government policy and somehow are able to lobby the government in their working hours.
See the Muslims network for civil servants.
GymWolf
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The uk look like a crack whore who hasn't slept in a week??
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GymWolf
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How many countries jail you for internet """"""""""""""""bullying""""""""""""""" tho??
EerieArcade
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Also been dropped by his agency.
I'm actually lost for words. What is that garbage?
He's been known to the BBC since 2006. Previous songs and lyrics include "Burn Britannia" and "Bury the Queen." Whoever decided to let him appear at Glastonbury is a genuine moron.
In america I feel like this clown would have been shot dead in a park at 4 am long ago. But over there he just kinda stumbles around bouncing off all the nerf-wrapped stuff they have set up.
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
I dont think they jail everyone for that, there are just extreme cases. That being said, sure, but there are other worse things out there.
kpopSuperstar
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Half of the country, normal English, views this as healthy critiques of England's past. You can have an african with a sign saying "fuck all english" and white people will be like "i can understand why he thinks this".
The English just tore down the fucking Churchill staue a few years ago.
If it became 20 times worse, and you would have attacks on a daily basis, they would STILL not even contemplent that large scale immigration creates issues without controlled integration.
kpopSuperstar
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We had a muslim politician going to schools in our inner cities to check how things are going with the muslim kids.
He came back alarmed about their beliefs and attiudes and said that something needs to be done about them quick.
For some unholy reason, Europe haven't caught on that muslims support other muslims above anything else and the religion will always unite them against non-muslim societes.
We have a political party here that is essentially the muslim youth party, and everything they state always start with "western people dont understand". They won't even try to hide their dislike of western people anyone.
Nobody would have cared if he just kept it at Free Palestine, that's just expected. It was the other thing he said.
CompleteGlobalSaturation
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Reform are not going to save anyone and I guarantee you most will be worse under their rule. It's curious how the regions in the UK with the lowest educational attainment also have the highest support for Reform.
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CompleteGlobalSaturation
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Death to Jews is horribly anti-Semitic hate speech. Death to IDF? I cannot say I agree with you.
The IDF however are bombing and shooting civilians on a daily basis. Last I checked the death toll was 60,000 - and it's rising.
Just another day in the office for the IDF
Israeli strike on Gaza seafront cafe kills at least 20 Palestinians, witnesses and rescuers say
The outdoor cafe was frequently used by journalists, activists and local residents.
www.bbc.co.uk
Tams
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It would be a shame if... [redacted due to PREVENT existing].
Stitch
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Yeah just a normal cafetariaJust another day in the office for the IDF
Israeli strike on Gaza seafront cafe kills at least 20 Palestinians, witnesses and rescuers say
The outdoor cafe was frequently used by journalists, activists and local residents.
CompleteGlobalSaturation
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Yes clearly this feed is the bastion of objective truth.
Angry_Megalodon
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The BBC calling "activists" is neolanguage for terrorist. I mean, what kind of activist are there in a war zone? Let's get real.
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