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[Stereogatari]

I found it difficult to get into the combat of ME2 (or any of the MEs) whereas I've completed Uncharted 2 several times, the latest being on Crushing difficulty.

ME2 (and ME in general) is something I must revisit though, I certainly liked the world building and characters.

 

[EatChildren]

Mass Effect 2, and I have no bias towards the franchise.

 

[Zok310]

U2, way more fun and better gameplay.
ME2 however had the better story tho.

 

[icecold1983]

for me uncharted 2 and its not even close. i personally find mass effect extremely dull/boring.

 

[Azdoune]

ME2 story was better.
But U2 visuals,gameplay and pace are unbeatable.
U2>ME2 imo, but you can think the contrary.

 

[AtomnayaKlubnika]

U2: the graphism, the pace, the action, the characters. Man that was a real experience.

 

[kmax]

Oh nice a poll.

Manchester United 3

wp

 

[Chinner]

Mass Effect 2, and I have no bias towards the franchise.

Bias detected.

 

[Sanctuary]

Right now it's "kind of close", but this is GAF afterall. The majority that actually post much seem to have this extreme infatuation with everything Naughty Dog.

 

[Ratrat]

Mass Effect 2 is huge downgrade and was disappointing while Uncharted 2 was the exact opposite.

So its a tie.

 

[SargerusBR]

Mass Effect 2, and I have no bias towards the franchise.

You are no longer a Mod? oO

 

[Wavering Radiant]

Personally I'm starting to get sick of open-world and multiple-paths/choices in games.

So looking back I'd have to say

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Manchester United 3.

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Real answer: Uncharted 2.

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Seriously though Naughty Dog pls dont go open-world after U4/tLoU, your level design is too good.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

Technically UC2 "is not a shooter."

I think ME2 is just as much a "sorta, kinda shooter" as UC2. They're both got one foot in the shooter genre, and the other in the RPG/Adventure genre.

oh dear god, let's not go through this again

 

[ViewtifulJC]

You are no longer a Mod? oO

Amirox'd

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probably requested

 

[Pound_lb003]

ME2 is well written, but it's badly performed and it's huge cast kind of dilutes any connection to one character for me. On top of that, it's so long it acts more like a TV soap. Where maybe there isn't a kind of unified arc, but many arcs. It lessens the impact of any one of them, for the sake of being extended over however many hours.

So Gregg Miller is right in that sense, it does indeed have more character that are often in that kind of grenade danger, but to me, that fact all of that stuff happens so often just comes off more hammy, than it does good.

Uncharted 2 had a real clarity of execution, that even Uncharted 3 lacked. A superb, concise cast and a pacing that didn't involve people dying or plot twists every two seconds. It allowed for action and downtime in many different ways.

I dunno, Uncharted 2 had every right to be better, because it was so carefully crafted. In some ways Mass Effect 2 just couldn't be.

 

[Alo0oy]

Juniors can't vote?

Good to see the superior game win though.

Right now it's "kind of close", but this is GAF afterall. The majority that actually post much seem to have this extreme infatuation with everything Naughty Dog.

 

[Schweinehund]

Guess I shouldn't be surprised UC2 is winning...

Mass Effect is my pick. Different classes, actual dialog + companion development, cool ass setting, gameplay is fun and unique at the time, replays can be vastly different.

UC was good for a one time play through and was more of a movie than a game for me.

Juniors can't vote?

Good to see the superior game win though.

He's not wrong. I'd wager out of any game property on neogaf I see more TloU or Uncharted avatars, comined with the backlash in the UC3 review thread + the general size/frequency of Uncharted 4/TLOU discussion threads. I'm not saying they're bad games or it's bad for a studio to have so many fans but to deny there is a larger than normal portion of people on GAF who enjoy Naughty Dog's game would be absurd.

 

[Nabbis]

ME2 easily. Though the spectacle is better in Uncharted 2.

 

[More_Badass]

Technically UC2 "is not a shooter."

I think ME2 is just as much a "sorta, kinda shooter" as UC2. They're both got one foot in the shooter genre, and the other in the RPG/Adventure genre.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=149915393&postcount=511

The gameplay designers and project leads called it a "shooter RPG", a "third person shooter", and talked about how they were "taking the RPG out of the shooter" so the game plays like a shooter instead of relying on chance and dice rolls

Are we really still arguing this point?

 

[ironcreed]

Mass Effect 2. Way more replay value for me.

 

[Alo0oy]

He's not wrong. I'd wager out of any game property on neogaf I see more TloU or Uncharted avatars, comined with the backlash in the UC3 review thread + the general size/frequency of Uncharted 4/TLOU discussion threads. I'm not saying they're bad games or it's bad for a studio to have so many fans but to deny there is a larger than normal portion of people on GAF who enjoy Naughty Dog's game would be absurd.

I never denied that, in fact, I think it's not just limited to NeoGAF but social media in general. But you can't deny that ND also has the loudest "vocal minority" that despise them on NeoGAF, just look at TLOU GOTY threads or GAF's most anticipated games of 2015 thread, people were furious.

 

[Pound_lb003]

He's not wrong. I'd wager out of any game property on neogaf I see more TloU or Uncharted avatars, comined with the backlash in the UC3 review thread + the general size/frequency of Uncharted 4/TLOU discussion threads. I'm not saying they're bad games or it's bad for a studio to have so many fans but to deny there is a larger than normal portion of people on GAF who enjoy Naughty Dog's game would be absurd.

I think the idea it's just on GAF is where you're wrong.

They don't make my favourite types of games, but every time I've played their games they are really, really good. I mean, apart from Uncharted 3.

 

[Gattsu25]

Uncharted 2 only because the game didn't fall apart at the very end.

Both good games but I'm more resistant to replaying ME2 due to the fanfic-esque final encounter.

 

[Ivory Samoan]

I love both, but for me... Mass Effect 2 is leaps and bounds ahead of UC2.

...but then again, I would say that, since ME is my Biotic God.

 

[iNvid02]

ME2 for sure

come to think of it i'd take every mass effect game over its numbered uncharted equivalent

if you want to make things tough throw the last of us in the ring

 

[LegendofDragoonLives]

Right now it's "kind of close", but this is GAF afterall. The majority that actually post much seem to have this extreme infatuation with everything Naughty Dog.

Uncharted 2 has more GOTY awards as well, just to sprinkle a little more salt to your post.

 

[Ridesh]

Uncharted 2 has more GOTY awards as well, just to sprinkle a little more salt to your post.

Well, Mass Effect 2 competition was Red Dead Redemption and Super Mario Galaxy 2.

Uncharted 2 competition was Batman: Arkham Asylum and Assassin's Creed II...

 

[Terbinator]

I get it, because Januzaj can't pass for shit.

Well, Mass Effect 2 competition was Red Dead Redemption and Super Mario Galaxy 2.

Uncharted 2 competition was Batman: Arkham Asylum and Assassin's Creed II...

Damn.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Well, Mass Effect 2 competition was Red Dead Redemption and Super Mario Galaxy 2.

Uncharted 2 competition was Batman: Arkham Asylum and Assassin's Creed II...

Lmao

 

[IonicSnake]

Do you prefer Indiana Jones or Star Wars?

I loved them both, but I prefer the Uncharted cast.

 

[neojubei]

Uncharted 2 had the best single player experience much more than mass effect 2 and i loved mass effect 2. There are so many parts of uncharted 2 that i go back to, like the train sequence, tibet, the truck sequence.As for mass effect once i finished the game i didnt go back to it unless some dlc came out for it.

Well, Mass Effect 2 competition was Red Dead Redemption and Super Mario Galaxy 2.

Uncharted 2 competition was Batman: Arkham Asylum and Assassin's Creed II...

Arkham asylum and assassin's creed 2 were two very big awesome games that year.

 

[omonimo]

I continue to think Uncharted 2 it's incredibly overrated and I'm a ND fan. TLoU has the better campaign not this redundant tps.

 

[Gestault]

I don't think any of Miller's points about Mass Effect 2's depth, amount of content or replay value can be in question, and in my experience, those aren't questions of genre.

 

[Faustus]

ME2....

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you delay the universe from impending doom, slightly more epic.

 

[carlsojo]

I put about 180 hours into Mass Effect 2 through multiple playthroughs. I played through Uncharted 2 once, and the train level about a dozen times. They're both great games, but my vote (if I could) would go to Mass Effect 2.

 

[LordBaztion]

Mass Effect 2 for me.
The cast is more varied with different cultures, backstories and overall more interesting than U2's cast.
Mass Effect has lore and a much more rich serting.
U2 is better paced but it almost have no agency while ME2 is more elaborated since its design involves the player. Even more, ME2 has the bonus of carrying your ME1 save, that was unique.
Gameplay is more varied and the campaign is more extensive, both due to its RPG roots.

 

[diaspora]

Uncharted's gunplay across the entire series isn't good as any single part of ME2.

 

[Alo0oy]

I continue to think Uncharted 2 it's incredibly overrated and I'm a ND fan. TLoU has the better campaign not this redundant tps.

There isn't a single game out there that plays like Uncharted, it's literally impossible for the UC games to be redundant, you're free to dislike them but calling them redundant makes no sense.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

There isn't a single game out there that plays like Uncharted,

Tomb Raider

, it's literally impossible for the UC games to be redundant, you're free to dislike them but calling them redundant makes no sense.

well the game's structure is kinda redundant.

It's a blast, and I love UC2 and its my favorite in the series...but as I played....I'd know "oh a gun fight is about to come up" or "im due for a cutscene" or "probably a nice view is going to come up" or "this is the puzzle/climbing part" repeat.

So I can see what he means by that. though, unlike him, I don't feel it's a knock to the game, as most games are redundant technically, but I guess he feels TLOU was better at masking this, which I would agree with as well.

 

[Alo0oy]

Tomb Raider

Nope, Tomb Raider is a cover shooter, Uncharted is an arena shooter, Tomb Raider is closer to Gears of War than Uncharted (I'm talking gameplay only)

well the game's structure is kinda redundant.

It's a blast, and I love UC2 and its my favorite in the series...but as I played....I'd know "oh a gun fight is about to come up" or "im due for a cutscene" or "probably a nice view is going to come up" or "this is the puzzle/climbing part" repeat.

So I can see what he means by that. though, unlike him, I don't feel it's a knock to the game, as most games are redundant technically, but I guess he feels TLOU was better at masking this, which I would agree with as well.

We're discussing gameplay, not "structure", an arena shooter with multiple elevations where you can use Drake's athleticism in combat, like climbing buildings/structures to switch cover, shooting while hanging...etc. No franchise in the market plays like Uncharted which makes those games impossible to be redundant.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

Nope, Tomb Raider is a cover shooter, Uncharted is an arena shooter, Tomb Raider is closer to Gears of War than Uncharted (I'm talking gameplay only)

whaaaat? is this serious?

uncharted is as much of a cover shooter as tomb raider was from what I recall.

We're discussing gameplay, not "structure", an arena shooter

you didnt specify gameplay but just said game. thats a big umbrella.

 

[Alo0oy]

whaaaat? is this serious?

uncharted is as much of a cover shooter as tomb raider was from what I recall.

You recall wrong. Most of the combat in Uncharted games take place in big arenas (not as big the UC4 demo of course), but they're mostly square maps with multiple levels where you can climb to a higher level mid-combat, wall-high cover that can be used as cover while hanging as well as traditional cover. In Tomb Raider the level design was closer to Gears of War.

you and that guy didnt say anything about gameplay. both just said game. thats a big umbrella.

You said the Uncharted games are redundant, they can't be redundant if they're unique in the TPS genre.

 

[Rajang]

I recently started playing the Uncharted series (played every ME when they released) and UC2 still holds up so well. The pacing is incredible.

So UC2 for me.

 

[Rajang]

whaaaat? is this serious?

uncharted is as much of a cover shooter as tomb raider was from what I recall.


you didnt specify gameplay but just said game. thats a big umbrella.

If you play UC2 as a cover shooter, you're doing it wrong. The combat is far more expansive than TR or other third person shooters like Gears. The way you can combo melee + gunplay is so incredibly exciting. The verticality, the dynamic nature of every encounter. You can approach combat in so many ways.

 

[Lion Heart]

Good to see the better game leading the poll.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

If you play UC2 as a cover shooter, you're doing it wrong. The combat is far more expansive than TR or other third person shooters like Gears. The way you can combo melee + gunplay is so incredibly exciting. The verticality, the dynamic nature of every encounter. You can approach combat in so many ways.

if you can approach combat in many ways then how is one way wrong compared to the other?

With that said the combat seemed similar to tomb raider to me. *shrug*

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

You said the Uncharted games are redundant, they can't be redundant if they're unique in the TPS genre.

um, I dont think I said that, can you find a qoute?

 

[Alex]

Mass Effect 2 was and still is great.

Uncharted 2 was good for it's time, but I wouldn't play it again. To me it was just a consumable spectacle game that's now dated.

 

[kpaadet]

He's not wrong. I'd wager out of any game property on neogaf I see more TloU or Uncharted avatars, comined with the backlash in the UC3 review thread + the general size/frequency of Uncharted 4/TLOU discussion threads. I'm not saying they're bad games or it's bad for a studio to have so many fans but to deny there is a larger than normal portion of people on GAF who enjoy Naughty Dog's game would be absurd.

As much as I dislike all those that uses the term "Naughty Gods" unironically saying they are out of portion seems odd to me. The Uncharted games have all sold rather well and TLoU is proably close to 8 mil sold, now if you wanna talk about fanbases that are out of portion on Gaf we should probably start with Platinum games.

 

[Jimmyfenix]

Gaf agrees with me!