Vire
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Quite a few did actually:Meisadragon said:
http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/dark-souls/critic-reviews
Uncharted 3 reviews
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http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/dark-souls/critic-reviews
nib95 said:
Weren't you supposed to write him off and block Eurogamer instead of going and reading the guys past texts?
Also your statement, that Uncharted is the best adventure game today is all the proof humanity needs that we can't even close in on objective thinking about entertainment
Angry Fork
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I have no clue what you're talking about. If a reviewer reviews a game it's based on how it is right then and there, it's incredibly stupid to say it came out too soon after UC2 therefore it has hurt my enjoyment of UC3. I like Sessler btw he's really smart, level headed etc. I don't have a problem with him just saying.hey_it's_that_dog said:
I don't like Naughty Dog logo, the paw is too big.
This has seeped into my enjoyment of Uncharted 3.
2/5
Chairman Yang
if he talks about books, you better damn well listen
The idea behind the horse racing analogy is that a game shouldn't get a free pass on being critiqued just because of the type of game it is. A game might be the most perfect horse racing game ever, or the best soccer management sim, or an absolutely brilliantly-executed dungeon crawler, but that doesn't mean they all deserve 9+. Each of those genres has inherent limitations that could justify a lower score. Just like Uncharted 3 has the limitation of being insanely scripted and not very interactive.nib95 said:
plagiarize
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well, Dead Space 2 isn't guilty of all of the things he calls out as disliking in Uncharted 3, and for all we know he didn't like that DS2 was linear either.nib95 said:
that's why i hate scores. it makes people look at every other review that person wrote to try and discredit what is just an opinion.
you don't need to do that. as Hey It's That Dog pointed out, not every review is equally relevant to every person. if you like linear games, you can just read that criticism and ignore it. you don't have to dig through their review history to discredit them when it's obvious on the surface that the reviewer feels differently about the series to you.
people are allowed to like a game more or less than the average person. i'm sure everyone of us here could name a game that they like less than everyone else seems to. why we shouldn't expect that to happen naturally in reviews boggles my mind.
i can see from the Eurogamer review that it isn't relevant to my interests... but i'm sure it's his honest opinion.
why does anyone need to go any further than that? what? people aren't allowed to like a game less than the average person now?
Chairman Yang
if he talks about books, you better damn well listen
Dumb argument. By your logic you can't criticize any game, ever.M.D said:
Vire
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Absolutely, it didn't seem like a troll attempt or anything of the sort, just some genuine feelings that were eloquently stated. And he's certainly entitled to that.plagiarize said:
Uncharted cry babies need to grow up. Oh noes now it's a 93 instead of a 94 on Metacritic however will my purchase be justified.
LeonSKennedy90
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yeeeees, complaining over a great, 8/10 score, GAF fanboys have yet to disappoint.
plagiarize
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come on now, don't act like this isn't endemic to pretty much every fan base. i'm pretty sure i've said similar things in the Gears of War 3 review thread (i forget which one it was, so it might have been another sequels review thread).Vire said:
it's nothing to do with any specific fanbase. it's a common thing.
hell, i found myself doing it when the most recent AvP game came out. that's when I decided to just get over it and ignore the final score.
revolverjgw
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zinder said:
MGS2 has the highest score of any MGS, despite being by far the worst, while MGS3 has the lowest, despite being by far the best. Weird shit, man
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Vire said:
What if he had said a mean thing about Batman?
iNvid02
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zinder said:
if its keeping you up at night you can print this off if you want
seriously though, reviews dont really matter that much, yeah its fun reading
them and getting on the hype train, but at the end of the day its one guy's
opinion, and it should not factor in on your buying decision much
This has kind of been an ongoing stigma for Uncharted as a whole, but why is UC of all franchises being tagged as "shallow"? Did I miss some profound depth in other action games during this generation of similar magnitude that seemingly get a pass on such odd criticism?Arnie said:
Vire
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I had no problem with the lower review scores for that game as long as they provided reasoning as to why they didn't like it as much. There are a few of folks who were disappointed by it in the OT but I'm not going to call them out on it. They all gave reasons why, and I respect that.hey_it's_that_dog said:
I will give fair warning though. I wouldn't bother posting the Destructoid review in here - all it'll do is cause a shitstorm. That's the only site I legitimately have a beef with since they actively seek to troll.
ThisWreckage
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Arnie said:
They essentially docked the game two points because the reviewer felt like it was too linear and that the game sometimes takes control away from the player. Two things that have been a staple in the franchise so far. I don't believe in docking points for aspects that were prevalent in the past two games. Naughty Dog has made it crystal clear what they're setting out to do and they wear their influences on their sleeves. It seems to me that the reviewer reviewed the game based on what he wanted it to be rather than what it is.
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Sn4ke_911 said:
What if you don't like Zelda?
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It makes sense. Uncharted 3 might not have made the same impact as Uncharted 2 did, and that is understandable, and the same thing happened with LBP2. It was better than the first in every way but scored a little less on Metacritic. I guess standards change after a few years.zinder said:
flabberghastly
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There's a very specific regularization with regard to game reviews and criticism, which also certainly has an effect via feedback loop of determining future design decisions. Games are focus tested and polished to create the kind of product expected to receive these reviews. A 90+ on Metacritic is most often determined in advance by both sides based on these expectations. It's creatively limiting both for developers and reviewers. If either side deviates, they risk their jobs.Timber said:
If GAF actually cared so goddamn much for experimentation and progression in game design, and if we were all honestly so concerned with review score inflation and the 8-10 scale, we wouldn't see all this same hyperbolic gnashing in every review thread. We want to hold up a mirror to the industry, but we refuse to hold one up to ourselves.
reilo said:
Shoot tons of aliens -> Have Marcus talk really gruffly about getting going -> Move locations slowly -> Shoot tons of aliens.
Gears of War 3 is just as guilty really. They both got docked points when everyone knows going into those games what to expect.
Hey guys, I want Tom Brady to run a 4.2 40. Since he can't he sucks and isn't a hall of famer.
noire said:
Whoopsies.
SolidSnakex
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Sn4ke_911 said:
Then it won't be your GOTY. It's kind of pointless to tell someone they're wrong about a game being their personal GOTY. That seemed to be all French was saying.
Oh god you're one of those people.zinder said:
Listen: review scores reflect you thoughts on a game at the time. If every game was scored in relation to that which has come before you'd need the scale to go above 100 and it'd keep rising year after year.
It is entirely conceivable (and likely) that a sequel can be superior to that which came before but, in context, score lower.
See: yearly sports title refreshes, MGS3 vs. 2, and now Uncharted 3, assuming Uncharted 3 is better. Personally, I think it doesn't looks better. I'm not a fan of how the lighting makes everyone look like a plasticine doll compared to Uncharted 2. I'll have to wait to play it before making any actual comments about the game, though, something you seem to think you don't have to do.
Gully State
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Eurogamer's 8/10 review reads way better than IGN's 10/10 one.
Chairman Yang said:
You can criticize a game all you want.
If Uncharted's 3 melee system was shit and didn't work, that would be a valid complaint. If the story sucked and made no sense, that would be a valid complaint.
To criticize a game for what it is and what it is trying to do (Uncharted being a cinematic and story driven experience, and Dark Souls being a hard and unforgiving game) is simply stupid.
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