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United Airlines violently drags a doctor off a plane so employee could take his seat

Why do you fly United?

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davepoobond

davepoobond

you can't put a price on sparks
They should have bumped up the deboarding offer

However once they decided to remove him why would he run back ON the plane? He isn't being sent to a torture chamber or being sent to an execution squad.
 
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Plum

Member
bloodydrake said:
Of coarse I do. I already said the situation was Unit ed's fault and it was poorly handled and the practice over overbooking should be abolished.

However none of that absolves how this man chose to act when confronted with this shitty situation. He chose to act the way he did and he's partially responsible for the end results.

If in the end its found that he did offer compelling proof of his urgency than I would support his right to sue them for something that endangered lives.

However he doesn't have the right to force them allow him to stay on the flight. He just doesn't.
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"If you aren't literally just about to save lives then you can't protest being forcifully removed from a plane you paid to be on and, in some way, deserve to be knocked out, dragged across the floor and beaten."

I'm tired of this "you can't protest if you're not completely invaluable" rhetoric. You don't need to be Superman to be treated like a human being instead of cattle to be 'removed' from the situation. It's a diversion tactic to keep the status quo from changing and these "shitty situations" from stopping; it says a lot more about you than it does about the Doctor himself.
 
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enewtabie

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Not surprising. I saw them while waiting on my flight from OHaire bumping people for it being overbooked but were able to get a pilot and another employee on the plane.
 
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kmax

Member
bloodydrake said:
they did fixing it by asking him to get off their plane he refused HE. IS. RESPONSIBLE. FOR. THAT. CHOICE.
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What? He did nothing wrong. He had every right to decline the offer if he deemed it insufficient. If United has a problem with getting people out, it's on them to better the offer. Smashing in people's faces is PR suicide. Who the hell wants to fly with these guys ever again?

Disgusting.
 
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peteykirch

Member
He should've just added a fake calendar entry into his phone saying something like;

10AM - Performing open heart surgery on *insert fancy titled person*
 
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pompidu

Member
bloodydrake said:
they did fixing it by asking him to get off their plane he refused HE. IS. RESPONSIBLE. FOR. THAT. CHOICE.
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People need to stop responding to this dude, he has his heels dug in. Don't waste your breathe and turn your attention to other posters, cause you are never convincing this dude.
 
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Herr Schwarz

Banned
I wonder who newly anointed Judge Gorsuch stands on the legality of the matter.

Hahahhaha!

Turns out the airline is the victim and that guy needs a few months in the pokey.
 
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gohepcat

Banned
marrec said:
Alright y'all corporate ballwashers you convinced me, and just to show my solidarity with you I've created a handy dandy list to remind people that they are the shoe and they should be happy being the shoe:

1) Your rights as a citizen end when the rights of corporations begin.
2) Any compensation given to you for your inconvenience should be treated with the respect it deserves as it has touched the hand of your corporate God's you fucking pigs.
3) Chicago isn't a bad place to get your face bashed in, stop insulting Chicago please.
4) All corporations have a 3 step plan to solve problems:
Step 1. Offer paltry compensation
Step 2. Offer slightly less paltry compensation
Step 3. Beat your fuckin' ass for questioning their authority​
5) Remember that without massive corporations capable of calling the police to do be their armed servants, you wouldn't have the nice things you have in your life. You only deserve what they deem you worthy of deserving.
6) Morality = Money
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I can only imagine you are typing this with a "Rage Against The Machine" song playing in the background.

If you are asked by security to leave a fucking airplane, stand up like a big boy and leave the fucking airplane. It's not the lunch counter in Greensboro.

A grown man doesn't throw a tantrum over a god damn seat in a plane.

Jesus. Are you just spending your days screaming at cashiers that shortchange you a buck?
 
bloodydrake

bloodydrake

Cool Smoke Luke
GiJoccin said:
why do you keep defending this? you know that there are those rules in place that state that you have to comply with the crew for a reason, but this is an abuse of those rules, and not in the spirit of those rules, right? like, this particular situation is not why those rules were put in place. is that really your only reason for your stance? that he's not 'following the rule of law'
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because so many in this thread are denying it, distorting the reality of what happened, calling anyone that disagrees with them scumbags etc.

I do not agree this was an abuse of those rules or not in the spirit at all.(I agree the police were probably more forceful then they needed to be but again he chose force the issue)

He was given an order by the crew of the plane then the police, he refused to comply and then they made him comply..

He's partially responsible for that outcome. To absolve him of all personal responsibility for those actions is insane.
 
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FinaruDensetsu

Member
gohepcat said:
I can only imagine you are typing this with a "Rage Against The Machine" song playing in the background.

If you are asked by security to leave a fucking airplane, stand up like a big boy and leave the fucking airplane. It's not the lunch counter in Greensboro.

A grown man doesn't throw a tantrum over a god damn seat in a plane.

Jesus. Are you just spending your days screaming at cashiers that shortchange you a buck?
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Hahah. That comparison.

I hope you miss a funeral of a loved one or something one day due to this exact thing or better yet when you are rushing to the bedside of someone who is on their deathbed. Hey man it's the same as shortchanging you a buck. Hey be a big boy, because being a big boy means never needing to be anywhere on time.
 
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SuperBowser

Member
bloodydrake said:
yes most family doctors have appointments ..doesn't mean they couldn't be rescheduled.
there's a difference between that and a doctor that's going to be going into surgery
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It takes a special kind of person to make the assumptions you are about a doctor while giving every benefit of the doubt possible to an airline corporation (even if this requires awful reading comprehension/ignoring facts).
 
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marrec

Banned
gohepcat said:
I can only imagine you are typing this with a "Rage Against The Machine" song playing in the background.

If you are asked by security to leave a fucking airplane, stand up like a big boy and leave the fucking airplane. It's not the lunch counter in Greensboro.

A grown man doesn't throw a tantrum over a god damn seat in a plane.

Jesus. Are you just spending your days screaming at cashiers that shortchange you a buck?
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Thanks fellow ballwasher I'll add these items to the list.

7) If you are asked to do anything by security anywhere, comply as they are likely being called upon by your corporate overlords and the authority of your corporate overlords is not for you to question.
 
Trojita

Trojita

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The lottery says that you've been chosen to be removed from your flight and we are now going to kick your ass.
 
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guybrushfreeman

Unconfirmed Member
bloodydrake said:
because so many in this thread are denying it, distorting the reality of what happened, calling anyone that disagrees with them scumbags etc.

I do not agree this was an abuse of those rules or not in the spirit at all.(I agree the police were probably more forceful then they needed to be but again he chose force the issue)

He was given an order by the crew of the plane then the police, he refused to comply and then they made him comply..

He's partially responsible for that outcome. To absolve him of all personal responsibility for those actions is insane.
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He is not responsible for any of this. There were so many other options in this situation. There was no need to drag him off the plane by force.

Disgusting
 
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PrivateWHudson

Member
bloodydrake said:
Of coarse I do. I already said the situation was Unit ed's fault and it was poorly handled and the practice over overbooking should be abolished.

However none of that absolves how this man chose to act when confronted with this shitty situation. He chose to act the way he did and he's partially responsible for the end results.

If in the end its found that he did offer compelling proof of his urgency than I would support his right to sue them for something that endangered lives.

However he doesn't have the right to force them allow him to stay on the flight. He just doesn't.
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Stop trolling. Say you're really hungry and went to a buffet. Paid for your plate and got right up to the salad bar and the manager comes over and tells you to get out, what would you do? Just walk out and not eat, or tell him to fuck off? Say you tell him to fuck off and he then gets the mall cop to remove you, do you then just say ,"sorry, my bad" and leave?
 
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GSG Flash

Nobody ruins my family vacation but me...and maybe the boy!
United remains being the shittiest airline.

I had my worst flight experience in recent memory on a United flight.

Y2Kev said:
I don't understand why the amount of the incentive doesn't just keep going up. No takers at 800? How about $2,000 dollars worth of airline miles. No one at $2,000? $2,500. Eventually SOMEONE will take it.
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This.

Someone would eventually take it. If you were sitting there waiting for the bid to keep going up, then it's your loss if someone takes the offer before you.
 
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Gattsu25

Banned
gohepcat said:
I can only imagine you are typing this with a "Rage Against The Machine" song playing in the background.

If you are asked by security to leave a fucking airplane, stand up like a big boy and leave the fucking airplane. It's not the lunch counter in Greensboro.

A grown man doesn't throw a tantrum over a god damn seat in a plane.

Jesus. Are you just spending your days screaming at cashiers that shortchange you a buck?
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Nah son, United fucked up irrevocably when they let the passengers board the flight before resolving this with better incentives. They own this and it is not on the passenger's head to take responsibility for United's colossal fuckup.


I will never understand corporate sycophants.
 
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Herr Schwarz

Banned
Are people seriously shocked by this? This is what happens when you militirize airports.

If one provides a culture of hostility and fear, shockingly enough a bunch of scared fuckwit authoritarian types are gonna manhandle the fuck out of you.

He's lucky he didn't get his asshole fingered once he got off the plane lets be real here.

Human fucking dignity and decency in an airport. What is this the fucking Disney channel? Bend the fuck over and prepare thy asshole. And whilst you're there give me your phone I want to look at your dick pics and pictures of your wife. Does that feel good bitch? Now go and sit in your Kunta kentay economy saver special.
 
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O_Atoll

Member
mAcOdIn said:
As stupid as the whole thing is it is a private airplane, you do not have an inherent right to fly and especially do not have a right to fly a specific flight on United. Further, we all know what comes next when asked to leave, well, anywhere. Asked to leave a bar and don't you'll find yourself dealing with a bouncer, asked to leave a business and don't and you'll be greeted by security, asked to leave somewhere by the police and don't, 50/50 chance you'll next be seen by a coroner.

Almost nowhere in society do we not forcibly removed people who refuse to leave somewhere once told by the legal owner of that property.

Plus supposedly he screamed as if getting kicked off a flight was akin to getting sent to a concentration camp. He's got a right to scream of course I just find it a bit childish when it's in response to a situation you are half in control in.

Now, as I said above I find the whole thing silly, there shouldn't secretly be different priorities of passengers that exist with overbooking to curtail just these types of situations. Because why even have these confrontations in the plane to begin with, shit should be handled outside at a minimum or not happen at all but tying up a plane for hours because someone you let on refuses to get off, that's stupid.
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He was a passenger who bought tickets to a plane to reserve a seat on a plane. People who pay good to fly are usually in a hurry. Comparing it to a bar is a horrible comparison. He was also a doctor taking a flight to help a payient. How about United reserve 4 seats for their employees at all times instead of overbooking and kicking passengers off a plane?
 
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Tonedeff

Member
marrec said:
Thanks fellow ballwasher I'll add these items to the list.

7) If you are asked to do anything by security anywhere, comply as they are likely being called upon by your corporate overlords and the authority of your corporate overlords is not for you to question.
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Nice interpretation of what he meant motherfucker. 100% fucking accurate in fact.
 
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Pattycakes

Banned
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https://twitter.com/united/status/851471781827420160
 
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FinaruDensetsu

Member
Y2Kev said:
I don't understand why the amount of the incentive doesn't just keep going up. No takers at 800? How about $2,000 dollars worth of airline miles. No one at $2,000? $2,500. Eventually SOMEONE will take it.
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You don't understand a company or it's employees having zero foresight and pinching pennies only to pay millions down the road? It happens all the time.

Pattycakes said:
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https://twitter.com/united/status/851471781827420160
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"How much can we pay you to sign a confidential settlement agreement before you sue? Because this story has now spread to most of the US and the majority of people (save for a couple strange ones that defend unfair corporate practices) who would be selected for the jury would absolutely pound us for this."
 
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marrec

Banned
Tonedeff said:
Nice interpretation of what he meant motherfucker. 100% fucking accurate in fact.
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Sorry if you have a correction you want reviewed you need to send it to the offices of "Corporate Ballwashers INC. 1 Corporate Ballwasher Lane, Maryland" I realize my company is a little ironic but it really only makes sense from a taxation point of view.
 
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Trojan X

Banned
Audioboxer said:
What?

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More @ https://www.caa.co.uk/Passengers/Re...our-rights-when-you-are-bumped-from-a-flight/

Some quick Google searches

http://www.independent.co.uk/news-1...thousands-and-flouting-eu-rules-10407684.html

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/jul/16/british-airways-overbooked-flight-no-compensation

Happens in the EU/UK too, you just don't hear about it as 99% of it doesn't go viral due to people being dragged off flights by force.
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Shocked from reading that info. What happens if the flight is worth a lot more than their compensation? That is really fucked up and a major inconvenience. Flying really is a massive risk in all areas.
 
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GiJoccin

Member
bloodydrake said:
because so many in this thread are denying it, distorting the reality of what happened, calling anyone that disagrees with them scumbags etc.

I do not agree this was an abuse of those rules or not in the spirit at all.(I agree the police were probably more forceful then they needed to be but again he chose force the issue)

He was given an order by the crew of the plane then the police, he refused to comply and then they made him comply..

He's partially responsible for that outcome. To absolve him of all personal responsibility for those actions is insane.
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so just to be clear you think those rules are in place to protect the art of overbooking?

those rules are NOT in place to give the crew leeway if they think someone will cause trouble on the flight, make it less safe, could be a liability?
 
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Haruko

Member
Are these new details at the end of the WaPo article new?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-1115am:homepage/story&utm_term=.564bbd246873

In another video, the man runs back onto the plane, his clothes still mussed from his forcible ejection, frantically repeating: ”I have to go home. I have to go home."

”He was kind of dazed and confused," Bridges said. He recalled a group of high school students leaving the plane in disgust at that point, their adult escort explaining to other passengers: ”They don't need to see this anymore."

The airline eventually cleared everyone from the plane, Bridges said, and did not let them back on until the man was removed a second time — in a stretcher.

In the end, Bridges and his wife got to Louisville about three hours late.

”It was a pretty tense flight," he said.
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Nafai1123

Banned
bloodydrake said:
because so many in this thread are denying it, distorting the reality of what happened, calling anyone that disagrees with them scumbags etc.

I do not agree this was an abuse of those rules or not in the spirit at all.(I agree the police were probably more forceful then they needed to be but again he chose force the issue)

He was given an order by the crew of the plane then the police, he refused to comply and then they made him comply..

He's partially responsible for that outcome. To absolve him of all personal responsibility for those actions is insane.
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Customers escalate shit ALL THE TIME. Restaurants, airlines, hotels, you name it. People can be complete assholes sometimes, especially when they feel they're being treated unfairly. This customer was being treated unfairly. When you work in customer service, it's your fucking job to try to de-escalate those situations, not to make it 100x worse. United had options, they chose not to use those options and it ended up getting one of their customers assaulted. That is the responsibility of the airline, not the customer who just wants to sit in fucking peace and get back home.
 
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guybrushfreeman

Unconfirmed Member
Nafai1123 said:
Customers escalate shit ALL THE TIME. Restaurants, airlines, hotels, you name it. People can be complete assholes sometimes, especially when they feel they're being treated unfairly. This customer was being treated unfairly. When you work in customer service, it's your fucking job to try to de-escalate those situations, not to make it 100x worse. United had options, they chose not to use those options and it ended up getting one of their customers assaulted. That is the responsibility of the airline, not the customer who just wants to sit in fucking peace and get back home.
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'Boss a customer wants to use the product they paid for but we can't provide it, what should we do?'

'Physical violence of course'
 
Audioboxer

Audioboxer

Member
Trojan X said:
Shocked from reading that info. What happens if the flight is worth a lot more than their compensation? That is really fucked up and a major inconvenience. Flying really is a massive risk in all areas.
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You get a new flight plus the compensation so in effect, flight price + compensation. Or a refund of flight price + compensation

Other rights when bumped

No matter whether you volunteered or were forced to be bumped, your airline must also let you choose between two options:

1. Choose an alternative flight

Your airline must offer you an alternative flight. It’s up to you whether to fly as soon as possible, or at a later date that suits you. Airlines often refer to this as being ‘rerouted’.

If you want to fly as soon as possible, your airline must also provide care and assistance while you wait for the flight. This means food, drink, communications and accommodation, if you stay overnight.

2. Receive a refund

If you don’t want to fly, you can get your money back instead. You’ll get a refund for all parts of the ticket you haven’t used.

For instance, if you have booked a return flight and you are bumped from the outbound leg, you can get the full cost of the return ticket back from your airline.

If you’re part-way through a journey, your airline should also provide a flight back to your starting point.
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