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United Airlines violently drags a doctor off a plane so employee could take his seat

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Glass Shark

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Kyuur said:
I don't understand what most people claiming 'physical assault' etc in here expect law enforcement to do in the event that someone refuses to leave private property when requested to.
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There are like a dozen easy ways this could have been prevented before we even get to the point of police intervention. United could have solved this before it got out of hand. And after it got out of hand, they should have owned up to it and done something more than, "I dunno, ask someone else."
 
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guybrushfreeman

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Shouta said:
https://twitter.com/kaylyn_davis/status/851471574385307648

Don't know if it's been posted but seriously, fuck United for this. This is indefensible.
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bloodydrake said:
I'm saying who gets to decide on the plane whats a justifiable reason or a good reason? The pilot and crew who are responsible? or a passenger?
Its irreverent if the passenger didn't like the idea..they chose him and made a decision his best option was to get off the plane of his own accord.

I guess they could have just cancelled the flight and had everyone leave the plane then said..."just kidding you can all come back on...except him." That might have worked out better in retrospect but he was still wrong for not listening to the Police tell him to get up and leave or they would force him to.
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Did you look at this? The airline needed to find another option. Trying to blame him for this is horrifying. The airline was in charge of every decision that led to this. They needed to find a different way to do things
 
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie

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bloodydrake said:
I'm saying who gets to decide on the plane whats a justifiable reason or a good reason? The pilot and crew who are responsible? or a passenger?
Its irreverent if the passenger didn't like the idea..they chose him and made a decision his best option was to get off the plane of his own accord.
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You're asking the wrong question.

The question is "who's responsible and accountable for this?" For some reason, you're putting it on the citizen despite you acknowledging United and the police are in charge in the situation.
 
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pompidu

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bloodydrake said:
I'm saying who gets to decide on the plane whats a justifiable reason or a good reason? The pilot and crew who are responsible? or a passenger?
Its irreverent if the passenger didn't like the idea..they chose him and made a decision his best option was to get off the plane of his own accord.

I guess they could have just cancelled the flight and had everyone leave the plane then said..."just kidding you can all come back on...except him." That might have worked out better in retrospect but he was still wrong for not listening to the Police tell him to get up and leave or they would force him to.
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Just stop.
We get the point, go troll somewhere else,you clearly have your own opinions on the matter, and luckily most of us don't agree with you.

Really tired of these corporate apologist's, especially when defending a violent altercation caused by the airline because they are a shitty company with terrible management.
 
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sammex

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Audioboxer said:
What? Jayse and Audra are two passengers?
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Sorry meant to say detailed witness accounts. They posted two quick summaries when the full story is reported numerous times elsewhere. Do you think it's a good article on what happened?


They then posted a facebook comment

"There has to be more to this story," he said.
"Usually when a flight is overbooked they offer free flight vouchers to those willing to change flights or go on standby and a couple of people will jump at those as their travel plans may be flexible."
"I feel like this specific incident HAS to be deeper than what we are seeing in this video," he added.
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which is the icing on the cake as it makes it seem as if there's some doubt over who is to blame for this debacle. Like there's a possibility that it's the passengers fault, when we clearly know it wasn't.

Yes "there is more to this story" but the BBC couldn't be bothered to divulge it.
 
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guybrushfreeman

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jungomitis

Member
Meanwhile United's stock prices are up 1% today

(On second thought maybe its all the algorithms that can't figure out if this is bad press)
 
bloodydrake

bloodydrake

Cool Smoke Luke
perineumlick said:
You do realize that the airline created the chaos don't you? The passenger wasn't breaking any rules, or causing any disruption. He was physically manhandled off of a plane that he paid to ride without violating any of it's rules. What the fuck bro?
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yes the airline created the situation...the passenger then chose to react horribly to that situation. Root cause of the situation is the airline..the passengers actions made it worse.
People get bumped all the time..hundreds of thousands of them each year..not being dragged kicking and screaming is the norm cuz....wait for it....... people relent and leave the flight before the police have to.
 
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HeatBoost

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Kyuur said:
I don't understand what most people claiming 'physical assault' etc in here expect law enforcement to do in the event that someone refuses to leave private property when requested to.
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Is law enforcement really required to do anything?

This was a paying customer who was getting fucked because the business was being shitty. He wasn't threatening anyone, wasn't breaking the law, and they had no justification for removing him personally beyond "eenie meenie miney moe." I'm pretty sure the legal definition of trespassing does not account for "Well we had to kick SOMEBODY out!"

I've seen cops asked to remove unruly customers before, it's always a relief, and that's perfectly fine. This isn't that.
 
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Tovarisc

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https://twitter.com/FatKidDeals/status/851459488791973888
 
Audioboxer

Audioboxer

Member
sammex said:
Sorry meant to say detailed witness accounts. They posted two quick summaries when the full story is reported numerous times elsewhere. Do you think it's a good article on what happened?


They then posted a facebook comment



which is the icing on the cake as it makes it seem as if there's some doubt over who is to blame for this debacle. Like there's a possibility that it's the passengers fault, when we clearly know it wasn't.

Yes "there is more to this story" but the BBC couldn't be bothered to divulge it.
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The news broke on social media from passengers? That is the literal source of all of this and videos? The bit at the bottom is simply an addition to the article of random comments from social media seeing as this has gone viral and everyone and their dog is commentating on it.

There's nothing wrong with the BBC article. Has the airline and CEO comments as well.
 
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FinaruDensetsu

Member
bloodydrake said:
I'm saying who gets to decide on the plane whats a justifiable reason or a good reason? The pilot and crew who are responsible? or a passenger?
Its irreverent if the passenger didn't like the idea..they chose him and made a decision his best option was to get off the plane of his own accord.

I guess they could have just cancelled the flight and had everyone leave the plane then said..."just kidding you can all come back on...except him." That might have worked out better in retrospect but he was still wrong for not listening to the Police tell him to get up and leave or they would force him to.
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You're amending your original argument and moving goalposts so much to make it seem like you're making a reasoned argument. It's incredibly intellectually dishonest and trying to even respond to you is just a pointless waste of time so this is the last reply from me or reference to any of your nonsense.
 
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Leona Lewis

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Everyone needs to tweet that video to all the news stations. The dispassionate written accounts don't do what this man went through any justice.
 
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guybrushfreeman

Unconfirmed Member
bloodydrake said:
yes the airline created the situation...the passenger then chose to react horribly to that situation. Root cause of the situation is the airline..the passengers actions made it worse.
People get bumped all the time..hundreds of thousands of them each year..not being dragged kicking and screaming is the norm cuz....wait for it....... people relent and leave the flight before the police have to.
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Shouta said:
https://twitter.com/kaylyn_davis/status/851471574385307648

Don't know if it's been posted but seriously, fuck United for this. This is indefensible.
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I want a serious response here. Look at that image and say that you think he deserved to be beaten because he didn't want to get off the flight.

Okay he didn't want to get off, are you saying he deserved to end up like that footage? That's acceptable to you?
 
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kaching

"GAF's biggest wanker"
bloodydrake said:
must accept responsibility for their actions.. they must accept the the consequences of their actions but they don't deserve abuse for the sake of abuse
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You have a lot to say about this one man's responsibility for his own actions, but not nearly as much about the crew or the officers' showing responsibility for their own actions and finding a way to de-escalate the situation without resorting to crudely manhandling and dragging someone off the plane, just because the airline screwed up their own internal scheduling and somehow had absolutely no other way to provide 4 crew worth of manpower on another random flight with no rationale given as to why it had such priority as to employ the use of force to remove paying customers on another flight if necessary. Cuz, you know, that fourth guy...absolutely indispensable or something.

But yeah, let's just focus one man's responsibility for his own actions, because it's all on him how we got here.
 
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Bandini

Member
bloodydrake said:
hmm well that was tongue and cheek,but if you insist.

It could certainly applies to all enclosed spaces where a break down of command compliance could lead to certain death like crashing or implosions..
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What kind of doctor would risk the lives of all the other passengers by staying in his seat? Didn't he know that with every moment he stays seated, the plane is one step closer to implosion?!

It makes sense though, after all he is a narcissist. (Your own words)

Seriously man, when you're in a hole, stop digging.
 
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie

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kaching said:
You have a lot to say about this one man's responsibility for his own actions, but not nearly as much about the crew or the officers' showing responsibility for their own actions and finding a way to de-escalate the situation without resorting to crudely manhandling and dragging someone off the plane, just because the airline screwed up their own internal scheduling and somehow had absolutely no other way to provide 4 crew worth of manpower on another random flight with no rationale given as to why it had such priority as to employ the use of force to remove paying customers on another flight if necessary. Cuz, you know, that fourth guy...absolutely indispensable or something.

But yeah, let's just focus one man's responsibility for his own actions, because it's all on him how we got here.
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It's enraging. bloody's got no perspective at all.
 
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Gotchaye

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bloodydrake said:
I'm saying who gets to decide on the plane whats a justifiable reason or a good reason? The pilot and crew who are responsible? or a passenger?
Its irreverent if the passenger didn't like the idea..they chose him and made a decision his best option was to get off the plane of his own accord.

I guess they could have just cancelled the flight and had everyone leave the plane then said..."just kidding you can all come back on...except him." That might have worked out better in retrospect but he was still wrong for not listening to the Police tell him to get up and leave or they would force him to.
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Sure, for borderline cases it makes sense to give the benefit of the doubt to the flight crew. But we don't require that our general rules meet a "totally unreasonable person" test where we have to pretend that the passengers might all be crazy people incapable of telling the difference between an important or at least neutral rule and a stupid and abusive rule -- we have a legal principle is called a "reasonable person" test, after all. We're okay with expecting people to act like adults. The policy fails that test. The demand is so obviously unreasonable that I think it's okay for passengers to reject it.

Your alternative is still pretty weird. Again, the obvious next step here was to offer $1200 to anyone willing to get off.
 
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Spine_Ripper

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Damn, everything in the OP is ridiculous. I gotta say I'm kind of surprised that nobody took the $800 and a hotel stay offer. Surely there was SOMEBODY that could have waited for the next flight and gotten good compensation. I would have taken that instantly.

But yikes at UA's handling at the end. Hope the doc sues.
 
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perineumlick

Member
guybrushfreeman said:
I want a serious response here. Look at that image and say that you think he deserved to be beaten because he didn't want to get off the flight.

Okay he didn't want to get off, are you saying he deserved to end up like that footage? That's acceptable to you?
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Remember, this passenger reacted "horribly" to the situation. Let that sink in.
 
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MugiwaraCole

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bloodydrake said:
A plane is not a public space.. Him not wanting to leave is irrelevant. He was asked to leave its a private plane. They have a right to have him physically removed.
It sucks it happened but he forced their hand. Again he has no right to be there and is obligated to leave when asked. PERIOD.

The shitty situation is all UNITED's fault. The manor in which he was physically removed was all the POLICES fault. but the choice to not leave when asked which led to him being physically removed was all HIS OWN FAULT.

anyway this is just a circular argument, you feel he has the right to not comply and no ends justify removing him.
I feel they have the right to ask him to remove himself and physically enforce that right if he refuses.
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How doesn't he have a right to be there? He bought a ticket lmfao.
 
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FinaruDensetsu

Member
Spine_Ripper said:
Damn, everything in the OP is ridiculous. I gotta say I'm kind of surprised that nobody took the $800 and a hotel stay offer. Surely there was SOMEBODY that could have waited for the next flight and gotten good compensation. I would have taken that instantly.

But yikes at UA's handling at the end. Hope the doc sues.
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It's an 800 dollar voucher. If a restaurant serves me a shit sandwich I'm not gonna be happy to get a $800 gift card for more shit sandwiches.
 
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Ri'Orius

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Tain said:
can't wait for your future where you're cool with armed security cams merking people for holding up a mcdonald's line
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Shitty comparison. Better comparison:

If you go to McDonald's, buy a burger, and sit there past closing time, eventually they will call the police on you, and if you refuse to go peacefully said police will drag you out. And if you struggle enough while being dragged out someone (most likely you) will get hurt.

I do think the "I'm a doctor" card should've allowed him to dodge the draft and get the computer to RNG up another conscript, but at the same time: if security tells you to move and you don't, this is what happens.
 
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sammex

Member
Audioboxer said:
The news broke on social media from passengers? That is the literal source of all of this and videos? The bit at the bottom is simply an addition to the article of random comments from social media seeing as this has gone viral and everyone and their dog is commentating on it.

There's nothing wrong with the BBC article. Has the airline and CEO comments as well.
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I know it's all from social media, but the OP has a more detailed account of what actually happened. The BBC don't even mention that compensation offers were made. This is key info to the story.

Having random facebook comments from no one involved with the incident is not good reporting imo so we'll have to disagree on there being nothing wrong with the article and leave it at that.
 
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Dash_Riprock

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Ri'Orius said:
Shitty comparison. Better comparison:

If you go to McDonald's, buy a burger, and sit there past closing time, eventually they will call the police on you, and if you refuse to go peacefully said police will drag you out. And if you struggle enough while being dragged out someone (most likely you) will get hurt.

I do think the "I'm a doctor" card should've allowed him to dodge the draft and get the computer to RNG up another conscript, but at the same time: if security tells you to move and you don't, this is what happens.
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Gee, I wonder what your skin color is.
 
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StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
I said it over the yoga pants incident and I'll say it here:

United and American are garbage airlines, and this while an extreme example of their actions is rather indicative of the culture of both companies.

They are filled with very very angry employees who hate their jobs and their customers.

I have had nothing but bad flights on both airlines. Including being yelled at for using the first class bathroom while I was blocked by a drink cart. Like, grabbed by the arm and led back to my seat.

I get that it's a first class bathroom (and with Delta often get upgraded to first, so I like the reserved bathroom), but it's beyond reasonable for someone to be able to not piss themselves while the drink cart is blocking access to their seat.
 
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perineumlick

Member
Ri'Orius said:
Shitty comparison. Better comparison:

If you go to McDonald's, buy a burger, and sit there past closing time, eventually they will call the police on you, and if you refuse to go peacefully said police will drag you out. And if you struggle enough while being dragged out someone (most likely you) will get hurt.

I do think the "I'm a doctor" card should've allowed him to dodge the draft and get the computer to RNG up another conscript, but at the same time: if security tells you to move and you don't, this is what happens.
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This is a shitty comparison too.
 
Jag

Jag

Member
RionaaM said:
Fucking assholes. I hope the guy sues this dreadful company for millions of dollars and wins.
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The fine print on tickets will now indemnify United for any damage suffered as as result of refusing to follow their direction....if it doesn't already say that.
 
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sirap

Member
Ri'Orius said:
Shitty comparison. Better comparison:

If you go to McDonald's, buy a burger, and sit there past closing time, eventually they will call the police on you, and if you refuse to go peacefully said police will drag you out. And if you struggle enough while being dragged out someone (most likely you) will get hurt.

I do think the "I'm a doctor" card should've allowed him to dodge the draft and get the computer to RNG up another conscript, but at the same time: if security tells you to move and you don't, this is what happens.
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That doesn't work at all lol.
 
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