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United Airlines violently drags a doctor off a plane so employee could take his seat
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Redditor gives eye witness account of doctor being violently removed from United plane
All of the fellow passengers so far have been on the victim's side. None have mentioned a commotion, as the authorities have tried to imply.
Other passenger accounts:
https://twitter.com/AC360/status/851600794239545345
https://www.facebook.com/cnn/videos/10156405885621509/
All of the fellow passengers so far have been on the victim's side. None have mentioned a commotion, as the authorities have tried to imply.
Other passenger accounts:
https://twitter.com/AC360/status/851600794239545345
https://www.facebook.com/cnn/videos/10156405885621509/
After watching that vid with the witness, I was going to post exactly this.
TangoAlphaLima
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Oh, shit, your victim-blaming blogger ranked United #2 on his list of airlines.
https://thepointsguy.com/guide/best-and-worst-airlines-2017/
Look at the comments, his own readers accuse him of being a paid shill for United.
But I'm sure the attorney advice he sought on this news story was totally reasonable, right...
AnathemicOne
Banned
The amount of corporate dicksucking in this thread is insane, and lawl that poll. But for srs just raise the fucking incentive past $800, eventually someone will bite and if it gets higher and higher, well that's on fucking United for overbooking in the first place.
What if he gets Gaf's United Defence Force , though!?
No chance, they would probably have been kidnapped by the Uber driver that Uber didn't do a background check on
You okay bud?
Leona Lewis
Banned
So can anyone confirm yet if they offered cash or just a flight voucher?
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
800 bucks not in money but United vouchers....
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
Flight vouchers were offered and no one accepted. The people who were forced to leave get cash but it's not an 'offer' because you can't refuse it.
No one was 'offered' cash but the people who are forced to leave are entitled it after the fact
Yeah, why? Am I not allowed to feel angry when someone gets the shit beaten out of him for trying to use a service he paid for?
Such difficult and entitled customers requesting legal tender for redress.
newtypepilot
Member
they even tried to lowball people by starting at 400
Snowman Prophet of Doom
Member
Reaction is deserved, tbh. CEO is stunningly cold and ruthless in his response, the perfect embodiment of what has people across the world riled up so politically against corporations and the corporate mentality.
Seductivpancakes
Member
It's not even $800 dollars lol. They're vouchers with expiration dates.
BronsonLee
Member
They probably would've just banned him from United
But yeah I doubt this ever gets to court, United would be insane to let it get to that point
Seductivpancakes
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.double post
aka "Make it go away" money
So overbooking law doesn't address scenarios where an airline feels a need to seat some number of employees, but has to refuse to seat (or deplane, in some instances) customers in order to do so. However, airlines regularly and deceptively shield themselves behind overbooking law in order to continue overselling tickets while also ensuring that employees can be seated whenever there is a need for it, which seems to be fairly often.
Is this a fair interpretation of what you're saying? If so, aren't the implications of that a bit bigger than this particular situation? It seems to me that would call for a broader conversation on how overbooking law has been interpreted, how it has been enforced, and the possibility that it could use some refinement or clarification.
BronsonLee
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Doctor wouldn't go away for 800, but he'll go away for 800k
Also I'm not sure if overbooking law would apply here? It's so murky
its pretty bad. Pretty much all the airlines use similar systems. Southwest had one or two outages last year, Delta had one or two, United had one or two. Its pretty amazing shit continues to work.
You better put another 0 on that
newtypepilot
Member
banned? that's not the United way. He's just being reaccomodated permanently
RustyNails
Member
I really thought United was going to go in an different, better route under the new CEO. Turns out the guy is a fucking moron. All big 3 carriers are lumbering giants that bought out the competition, which drives this idgaf attitude.
There is a desperate need for a disruptor in the airline industry. Something to break these flying institutions from their archaic ways and understand how the future is going to be shaped.
There is a desperate need for a disruptor in the airline industry. Something to break these flying institutions from their archaic ways and understand how the future is going to be shaped.
Buba Big Guns
Banned
He can for sure sue for assault though right? I really hope United comes out of this completely and utterly fucked
That's funny you say that - they are doing things a different way, which is why they're now making record profits, whereas previously, they were operating on razor-thin margins.
For better or worse, this is the new airline industry.
TangoAlphaLima
Member
I'm saying that's how it likely happens. I have no evidence that airlines are doing this, though, other than this specific new story. And the only reason we know about it is because United handled it so poorly that the passengers were all seated before they decided to take seats for United employees.
What I'm saying is that passengers across the country could be denied seats involuntarily to airline personnel every day, and we just don't know about it. It would be hard to prove, because passengers don't have access to the information the airline does, and the airline isn't going to admit passengers were bumped so airline employees could take those seats; they'll just say the flight was overbooked. So while federal regulations may not allow a paying customer's seat to be taken for an airline employee, it would be difficult to enforce given the information disparity.
I mean jokes aside this says a lot about how woeful consumer protections are in the USA. A business is able to effectively use law enforcement to assault an individual who is impeding their profit.
Even worse there are clearly individuals who defend this on a legal and moral basis usually under the guise of a lack of pragmatism on the individuals case, ignoring that pragmatism runs both ways and obviously businesses should not engage in practices which seriously jeopardise their operations (in this case, overbooking).
That's before you even get into the doctors justification for refusing to leave and that care of patients should always trump profit.
Even worse there are clearly individuals who defend this on a legal and moral basis usually under the guise of a lack of pragmatism on the individuals case, ignoring that pragmatism runs both ways and obviously businesses should not engage in practices which seriously jeopardise their operations (in this case, overbooking).
That's before you even get into the doctors justification for refusing to leave and that care of patients should always trump profit.
That's why no one takes them. I got one once and I wipe my ass with them. They have a rack of restrictions attached,
The fact that no one budged at $800 tells you it is a joke of a going rate. It should be bumped up.
Why hello there, detached corporate sociopath.
Sure, but why aren't you angry at the people who beat him instead? You think the CEO should rot in prison for being an ass?
sir_kevith
Member
It's so cold.
Just say: We sincerely regret how the situation escalated. Law enforcement shouldn't have been involved in a non-dangerous situation. Should this situation ever arise in the future, we will make sure that we have more reasonable accomodations for those inconvenienced. We've reached out to Dr. Whatever to find out how we can improve in this regard.
And then pay the dude off.
Leona Lewis
Banned
Someone make this man the CEO.
Why bother collectively bargaining when you can send in the strikebreakers?
FinaruDensetsu
Member
Actually I responded to Syriel's post with actual statute citations.
And in response to Syriel's long post (didn't want to quote to save space) on the tarmac isn't really the issue there. It's that the language implies you can be considered boarded without the doors having closed.
Additionally the other code sections simply define a boarded passenger as someone who boards a plane not when the doors close.
A plane is "in flight" when the doors close. I've seen nothing that says a passenger is only boarded when the doors close.
jack_package_200
Banned
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CrocMother
Banned
Not sure why people care so much about United losing money over this, if they fail our tax dollars will be what bails them out.
NeOak
Member
Not really. The routes would be flown by other airlines.
Mr. Giggles
Member
Jeez, was hard to watch that... That's bullshit what they did, poor guy
Many carriers ready to take uniteds place if they tank. Aerospace market is bigger than you realize
Many carriers ready to take uniteds place if they tank. Aerospace market is bigger than you realize
And the airlines defended by @Audioboxer
CrocMother
Banned
They ready to take on United's 80,000+ employees?
So lets root for them to succeed so that you feel like your tax dollars went to a good cause? Fuck United and that was before this. There have been bigger airlines that went under that weren't bailed out.
FinaruDensetsu
Member
Well then I guess corps should just do whatever they like and we should shut up about it because my tax dollars and those poor employees, some of which were the ones who called the police on this helpless old man of almost 70.
CrocMother
Banned
Rooting for them to get their shit together seems better than rooting for them to go out of business.
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