mclaren777
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One of my favorite subreddits had a great discussion about this tragic mess. I hope this is helpful to some of you...
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UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson assassinated
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DaciaJC
Gold Member
I'm not familiar with bee venom therapy, but the efficacy of FMT for severe and/or recurrent CDI is well-supported in the literature.
I bet he had Intel 80286 in his gaming rig
Von Hugh
Member
crazepharmacist
Member
You’re right actually. It’s FDA approved to treat recurrent CDIFF. I’m sure UNH covered it for those with recurrent CDIFF who failed antibiotic therapy but this likely would require supporting documentation and prior authorization. How many people got pissed that it wasn’t automatically covered and then bitched about it online saying the CEO deserved to be killed over it?
I’ve seen no evidence so far that they refused to cover an FDA approved treatment that was medically necessary
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Isn't one of the big controversies to come out about this company that they denied twice the average number of claims versus other insurance providers, possibly related to them using an AI that they knew to be faulty to triage people's attempts to get the treatment they'd been paying insurance fees for?
I'm not sure that it's particularly likely that insurers are only denying claims of those who'd like experimental treatments as you imply, or that somehow the company gets double the number of people asking for those treatments versus other insurers, but it seems at least distasteful to take that line - to be on the side of a company to the point of smearing it's customers when some people are fighting for their lives.
For the record, I've heard nothing about alternative therapies being denied in discussions since this news broke, which you seem think is the bigger picture here, I've heard plenty about the denials of claims being well above industry average though and the use of faulty AI as well as people struggling to access care their insurer is eventually forced to pay for, with delays obviously having potential impacts on the patient's life both in the long and short term.
This article talks about people being denied cancer care, people fighting for doctor ordered surgery, having appeals against company decisions overturned in high numbers, but relatively low numbers of people actually knowing how to make an appeal as well as denying the claims of older people less likely to go through the appeals process.
It doesn't mention bee sting therapy once. Perhaps you ought to get in touch.
violence
Member
My original statement wasn't hard to understand.
crazepharmacist
Member
Doctor ordered surgery very well may be breast augmentation. Insurance companies have every right to deny a cosmetic procedure. If it’s medically necessary, you need to show them proper documentation and that process obviously may take some time.
I don’t really care what people are saying on social media in 30 character Twitter posts. I’d like to see some actual evidence on some kind of life saving fda approved medication or surgery that was denied by UNH.
The article also says half of all claims that are appealed are eventually approved.
If they’re denying 30% of claims that means they are approving 70%. Considering there is a lot of bullshit in medicine that has little to no evidence, it makes sense that they aren’t approving horse dewormer pills for Covid, as one example.
Or lip fillers. How many people are online bitching that their lip filler or Botox procedure claims were rejected?
I remain skeptical.
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Donald mac Ronald
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Was hoping to see theme hospital as his number 1
Lukaku's First Touch
Member
I wonder if he can get before a jury and they aqcuit him?
daffyduck
Member
Isn’t that the pic where he’s had an accident? (or it could’ve been coffee spilled at McDonalds)
12Goblins
Lil’ Gobbie
Chuck Berry
Gold Member
Any clips of what he was yelling when they pulled him out of the car? 
violence
Member
According to Reddit it was something about 1776 when the US used violence to enact policy change.Any clips of what he was yelling when they pulled him out of the car?
Good luck defense lawyer.
chromhound
Member
ManaByte
Gold Member
So you’re trying to say the dude deserved to be assassinated because he didn’t want to pay for rich people’s Botox? Fuck off.
chromhound
Member
Where did i say that?
Chuck Berry
Gold Member
daffyduck
Member
Of course he didn’t deserve to be killed. And I think you know that “not paying for botox”, which itself does have legitimate medical reasons, is an oversimplification.
Kacho
Gold Member
You posted a screenshot without comment so your opinion is up for debate.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Unnecessary or "experimental".
That was the reason for not allowing me to get bi-aural Cochlear implants. I have a gap in my hearing because I only have one implant. I'm deaf in both ears so I have no directional hearing and often miss sounds and voices because half of my head can't catch sounds at all.
I have to be approved for a second implant (which I will be) but I need the necessary insurances to cover surgery, implant and processor/accessories. It's bloody expensive it is.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I find the level of joy over the loss of human life I've been seeing over the past week so disconcerting. I don't expect everyone to care about every death. Someone in this world dies every 2 seconds. We can't mourn them all. But joy is another thing. Vindictiveness and pettiness is not a good quality. I'd know because I was that way for much of my life. It was my worst quality as a person and I worked very hard to get rid of most of it, although in the right circumstances you can use it to motivate yourself to achieve success. And I don't know if this was always the case societally or if it just grew with the rise of social media, but how many people have strong takes about things they know nothing about.
Luigi in his manifesto even admitted that he doesn't know very much about this topic. Yet apparently he believed he knew enough about it to kill someone. And yes, I expect he lost it to some degree as well, but he wasn't suffering from total psychosis at the very least given the nature of planning that went behind this murder. A CEO of an insurance company is one cog in a much larger machine. A CEO has to satisfy the board of directors. They're large companies with lots of decision makers. Then there's the hospital side of it too. The pharma companies. It's such a complex system, even people who work in it can't fully wrap their mind around it. But people out there are certain that one person atop an insurance company is not only bad, but blame for death. Do we even have official numbers at how many people died specifically and only because of actions of UHC? How about all insurance companies? 99.9999999% of people can't answer that question(if there is even official data on this, there may not be) yet I see people parroting that they're murderers. And regurgitating this made up statistic that they're responsible for 68,000 deaths per year, which isn't true.
I don't think this is going to become some larger issue where people go around killing CEOs, but I am concerned about how easy it is for people to label total strangers as enemies and root on their demise, as well as just accepting narratives as true without thought or basis.
Luigi in his manifesto even admitted that he doesn't know very much about this topic. Yet apparently he believed he knew enough about it to kill someone. And yes, I expect he lost it to some degree as well, but he wasn't suffering from total psychosis at the very least given the nature of planning that went behind this murder. A CEO of an insurance company is one cog in a much larger machine. A CEO has to satisfy the board of directors. They're large companies with lots of decision makers. Then there's the hospital side of it too. The pharma companies. It's such a complex system, even people who work in it can't fully wrap their mind around it. But people out there are certain that one person atop an insurance company is not only bad, but blame for death. Do we even have official numbers at how many people died specifically and only because of actions of UHC? How about all insurance companies? 99.9999999% of people can't answer that question(if there is even official data on this, there may not be) yet I see people parroting that they're murderers. And regurgitating this made up statistic that they're responsible for 68,000 deaths per year, which isn't true.
I don't think this is going to become some larger issue where people go around killing CEOs, but I am concerned about how easy it is for people to label total strangers as enemies and root on their demise, as well as just accepting narratives as true without thought or basis.
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Vicetrailia
Banned
This guy is amazing, and shows why some people rail against education so much.
Education = Knowledge = Power.
Even as a rich person he still understood how the system is screwing the masses (he was getting screwed over himself), and wants to overthrow the gaps. IT explains why the wealthy wanna gut education and pull the ladder up behind them.
Education is dangerous against the ruling class. Less education means there's more support for the ruling class.
Education = Knowledge = Power.
Even as a rich person he still understood how the system is screwing the masses (he was getting screwed over himself), and wants to overthrow the gaps. IT explains why the wealthy wanna gut education and pull the ladder up behind them.
Education is dangerous against the ruling class. Less education means there's more support for the ruling class.
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diffusionx
Gold Member
every health insurance company has lots of doctors on their payroll
Vicetrailia
Banned
One of the most turned down surgeries is Spinal Fusion Surgeries. Those are medically necessary for people to exist outside of their home.
Kacho
Gold Member
It’s a whole lot of “trust me bro, just be angry”
Chuck Berry
Gold Member
So he's pleading not guilty
I wonder if he'll take the stand? I can see him getting up there and going off on quite the tirade lol
The biopic will be out on Netflix in about 2-3 years and that scene will be up for awards
I wonder if he'll take the stand? I can see him getting up there and going off on quite the tirade lol
The biopic will be out on Netflix in about 2-3 years and that scene will be up for awards
Tal Shiar Agent
Banned
If he does get put on trial in Manhattan he is going to have a Manhattan jury. All his lawyer needs to do is convince one person to vote not guilty and it'll gum up the works and make more press and make him more a celebrity to the point where forming a jury who isn't familiar with the details of the case will be impossible and thus jury nullification more likely.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I wonder what the defense is going to be. "He deserved it" is not a defense. Morality is not on trial, it's whether or not he committed the crime to the letter of the law. I don't think they have much of a defense to claim he didn't do it based on the evidence. He's dead to rights. My guess is they will argue some type of mental illness, not in his right state of mind, very depressed.
Dacvak
No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
The amount of “jury nullification” posts that have popped up on my social feed is nuts. Not for a second do I think he’d get a nullified verdict, but it sure would be wild if he did.
Tal Shiar Agent
Banned
It would be awesome if it did.
At least a couple of hung juries in a row would be nice.
What are the odds on finding a jury where every single one of them hasn't been affected by the US healthcare insurance system in some way?
daffyduck
Member
Exactly.
NickFire
Member
People are out of their minds hoping a killer gets off for an assassination. Society will not survive if people go around killing perceived enemies while being cheered on by mentally ill people.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
We do the same with our fictional characters... And sometimes wish such people existed in real life. Like Frank Castle or someone similar who takes out the people that abuse the system and leave the common man hanging.
We see it in movies, TV shows, books, comics and Manga. Such a thing in REAL LIFE would be untenable and haunting. A real life Punisher would have to be arrested!
Kacho
Gold Member
The guy you’re quoting cheers on woke stuff and hopes a killer gets off. Don’t think you’re going to find common ground with him.
Pegasus Actual
Member
If you think this murder can be morally justified, you're a piece of shit. If you think it should get the ol' "jury nullification", you're also retarded.
Vicetrailia
Banned
Bruh. Stop being scared.
Profits over lives is reaching its tipping point. People keep handwaving the fact that companies are mass murdering citizens over money in this country. We live in astronomically absurd times, and things are about to start progressing in a more logical manner now thanks to this guy.
Billionaires and healthcare is asking way too much from everyone, and needs to be dealt with.
The more pro business we are, the more this will happen.
The more deregulation, the more this will happen.
The less legal avenues we have, the more this will happen.
This is going to get worse.
Change will be forced with violence because the hierarchies at the top are too greedy and personally irresponsible to pre-emptively change. Of course people will cheer fucking them up. I rather be called "retarded" than to allow healthcare companies to continue to delay, deny and defend unabated. That's not how health insurance should work. I and my mom are paying way too much money to be told that she can't have a spinal fusion surgery for a year now when her life is on the line.
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Kraz
Member
It survived Branch Davidians, Charles Manson and Al Capone. Who all had supporters for different reasons.
While circumstances vary, this shouldn't be any different and not a national existential threat, if limited to your diagnosed mentally ill people, doctor. Unless there are some other factors that may cause it to be.
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DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
Murder is a criminal statute. Your statement is wrong for that reason alone, not to mention many other reasons. The term you're looking for is "killing" but even then it would be wrong.
Vicetrailia
Banned
I don't care man.
Make change to healthcare or expect escalation. Stop apologizing for institutionalized murder if murder being a criminal offense is so important to you.
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