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UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson assassinated
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Unknown Soldier
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Is this your first time experiencing the mainstream media? LMAO
Gell-Mann Amnesia effect- The phenomenon of a person trusting newspapers for topics which that person is not knowledgeable about, despite recognizing the newspaper as being extremely inaccurate on certain topics which that person is knowledgeable about.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
That story was generated because one of his dolt friends said this when interviewed:
The quote in the image is still idiotic and the media does suck, but if the friend hadn't said the painfully on the nose "a killer among us" thing I doubt the story would have happened lol
The quote in the image is still idiotic and the media does suck, but if the friend hadn't said the painfully on the nose "a killer among us" thing I doubt the story would have happened lol
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Kraz
Member
Why would you expect it more from CBC? Maybe you're mixing things up and mean FOX. The Mass Effect sex panic was hilarious.
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
He should probably tell his client not to yell out revolutionary statements in front of the press if that’s the defense they’re going with.
He's a public defender in Altoona Pennsylvania, he is not in any way shape or form prepared for any of this.
He’s not a public defender. Went private in 1984, per WSJ. He is local though.
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
He seems like a guy you would hire for a DUI or something, not the highest profile murder case of the year in any event.
Definitely. Wonder if the family will step in and try to appoint someone qualified, or will they remain on the sidelines. Tough call when your kid goes rogue and commits a high profile political murder.
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
Yeah it can go either way with elite families like they have politicians in the family they might want to distance, but on the other hand they hired a private eye to find him they are clearly concerned.
Brigandier
Member
I can't believe the amount of people happy someone was murdered in the street and supporting this horrible murderer... plenty in this thread too 
the world's fucked up.
the world's fucked up.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
There's going to be a steady and continued pressure from lovers of corporations to say that healthcare is expensive because of homeless people, people trying to claim for cosmetic lip fillers, or alternative crystal therapy.
That and "your pension relies on healthcare profits, so it's good that they're
violence
Gold Member
I was specifically talking about why he had all that incriminating stuff with him (the quoted comment in the original post). It also seems like he was only drawing attention to himself wearing the Covid mask and looking sketchy in a public setting.
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crazepharmacist
Member
Luigi’s claim for back surgery was denied by UNH? We know this for a fact?
I read that Luigi was richer than the CEO that he killed.
crazepharmacist
Member
My understanding on the policy change regarding anesthesia time limits was to prevent fraud. There have been cases where anesthesiologists have committed fraud by inflating anesthesia times, because they are paid by how long their cases are. The longer the case, the more money they get.
This change wouldn’t have affected the patient’s bill because in-network providers accept payment from insurance as full payment for services performed, regardless of what the payment is. The policy change simply would have standardized anesthesia times for common surgeries and any surgery that ended up being complicated thus going over the time limit, would have required the anesthesiologists to submit documentation in order to get paid additional amounts.
I guess if you’re an anesthesiologist, you’re probably celebrating this because now you can continue to bill for whatever time you want.
navii
My fantasy is that my girlfriend was actually a young high school girl.
Or McDonald’s workersHandsome bastard.
They're gonna have to stack the jury with CEO's to get a conviction lol.
Tams
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AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
Among us is the gateway drug to murder.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
So the McDonald's worker was fired for being on the phone with 911? And the reason she's not getting the money is because she called the police and not the FBI?
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I bet a lot of those denied claims are either fraudulent, accidental submitted claims, or as I said earlier it comes from someone just trying to get lucky (like my bro and sis in law) who are the kind of people to submit every bill for reimbursement hoping to get lucky even if they dont deserve it. Or there is misinterpretation of bullet point coverage (see my dad's flooding example below).
Regardless, I've never had a denied claim.... eyecare, prescription drugs, dental, been in many car accidents (none of them my fault) and never had an issue getting my car fixed for free, I even had a bad tenant long time ago and my insurance company was willing to help me take her on with her stupid mold claim as her reason for not paying. She eventually bailed middle of the night like a typical deadbeat and I had to throw out whatever leftover junk she had in the unit she couldnt carry with her including........... LOL.... her some kind of Wedding Anniversary glassware that was in the kitchen. Into the condo garbage bin it goes. lol. Looking back, I should had kept that and posted it on my FB for friends and fam to see as a deadbeat souvenir.
During one of these major rains years ago, my dad got insurance to pay for $20,000 to fix up some kind of flooding in basement. He said that home insurance typically doesnt cover this. I forget what it was but had to do water seeping in through the window panes or something. I think that's what it was. But regardless, it was a scenario he said that isnt standard on flooding parts of home insurance. But I guess his policy had it clearly stated, so they ponied up. He got covered. Not surprised as my dad is big on nit picky details.
As for your smokers line, I agree. I portion of the population needing healthcare is due to pure stupidity. There's a difference between an idiot smoking for decades or a a druggie vs. a guy getting unlucky and breaking a leg playing football. But everyone gets treated and the costs get spread out. Even a bank robber in a shootout with cops gets covered. Sounds insane. But that's the coverage.
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diffusionx
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This is not something I even like talking about because the words "denied claim" trigger something in people where they lose all reason. And I am not saying that every denial is justified. But I think if people can walk back from that they can see why a health insurance scheme, whether it is private, public, or single payer, cannot simply pay every single claim whenever it comes up at that exact moment it comes up. I also want to point out that there is literally zero evidence right now that UHC or anyone else ever denied a claim of his. There's absolutely no evidence that this murder had anything to do with that, and his "manifesto" didn't talk about it. His family was also super rich and he was living this ultra luxe bohemian lifestyle so I am sure they could have paid out of pocket.
The most likely sequence of events here is he fucked up his back, it put him in a terrible amount of pain, he became a habitual drug user (weed, shrooms, who knows what else), he went schizo, it's been happening more and more but mostly kept under the radar because there is big money in legal weed now. That or he got MKUltra'd. But obviously the media is going to get far more juice from talking about the insurance company the guy who he murdered worked at.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Yup.
Whether or not his situation even involved a denied claim which fucked up his back more, it makes no difference IMO because it doesn't mean you go shooting someone.
If my dad's $20,000 flooding bill wasnt covered (even if it was clearly stated), why would it make sense for him to shoot the CEO of the home insurance company? It doesn't.
America, fuck yeah!
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
And where does it say the McD's worker is fired and not getting the money?
ResilientBanana
Member
Sounds like they need to include a timer for the anesthesia with a print out of the time that compares to the actual surgery time. All of which can be done via software. That seems like an easy fix to make this a requirement of the insurance companies.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Maybe I'm wrong, but I remember reading an article and it said something like this.
The anesthesiologist's bill was based on what the doctor sets, so he'll just match it. So if the doctor sets a 5 hr surgery, but the anesthesiologist is only actually needed for 3 hours, he'll still bill 5 hours of pay. If this is true, it's total overpayment.
It'd be like a new building going up. A concrete worker gets paid for a year of service doing his job which sounds right. But the system is set up where he gets two years of pay because the building took an extra year to finish even though his role ended last year. Makes no sense.
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lel. the world has always been like that, just that now you know more about it because of internet.I can't believe the amount of people happy someone was murdered in the street and supporting this horrible murderer... plenty in this thread too
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violence
Gold Member
Yeah, kind of what I’m thinking.
-Surgery led to more intense back pain than he already had.
-He could no longer be intimate with a partner.
-Realized, in his prime years, his future was being a weeb and a permanent medical patient. Became very angry.
-Being a curious guy he turned to illegal drugs to deal with the pain. It gatewayed into other drugs (ie. shrooms) and it altered him.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Sounds reasonable. He was also a fit guy who wrestled. So if his back is gone, so is playing physical sports. And if youre in your 20s and had a past of being an athlete, you probably want to keep doing that stuff on weekends or after dinner beer leagues.
The only thing that goes against this (if it's true) is people saying was into all that terrorist manuscript stuff even before his back surgery. So he could had been into all this chaos stuff before health issues.
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ResilientBanana
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Sure, but anesthesiologists use machines to administer the product. So use the machine record rather than the human's handwritten record or the anesthesiologist doesn't get paid. Very simple. But don't make the patient suffer the consequences of the doctors doing the work.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I got married young in my 20s and had my kids early too. I love sports and forget weekends, i can barely play sports once every few months. last year i went the whole year without playing anything.
I didnt go on no killing spree or become an assassin lol i stuck to video games and got my socialization done that way.
I also pay $24k for health insurance every year and my insurance still makes me pay $8k out of pocket every year before they start paying out 100%. Again, i understand the frustration but I really dislike how we try to understand these psychopaths. We wouldnt do that with terrorists, but with school shooters there is always this 'hey maybe he was bullied' or with these older guys, they were loners with no girlfriends. there are millions of loners who dont go out and shoot people.
Sometimes we just need to call a spade a spade. they are psychotic.
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Granted the difference between action and inaction may be a bit more nuanced than this... at the crux of it I think this is why this is such a big event.
Those who would say "cold-blooded murder is not the answer" forget that diplomacy for the poor masses requires building a whole new section of railway, and the angry manpower to do so simply isn't there yet. As inaction continues, more dead bodies pile up, it's easier to stomach because it's not in our faces.
At the same time, it's hard to deny that from the privilege of a western country that we all benefit greatly from the exploitation and death of millions in other countries.
Those who would say "cold-blooded murder is not the answer" forget that diplomacy for the poor masses requires building a whole new section of railway, and the angry manpower to do so simply isn't there yet. As inaction continues, more dead bodies pile up, it's easier to stomach because it's not in our faces.
At the same time, it's hard to deny that from the privilege of a western country that we all benefit greatly from the exploitation and death of millions in other countries.
This already exists. Anesthesia is EXTREMELY well documented in a case that requires it, usually though a time-tape record of vital sings, O2 levels, any and all drugs used, and any notes. But then you gotta have someone parse that into codes or billable data, then that has to be audited for accuracy, etc. The friction of accounting in the medical field is a major cost and one where increased efficiency through decreasing red tape (via more standardized payouts that have less documentation and fewer people leeching off the $$$ in the accounting chain) is a good way to reduce costs while still giving providers more $$$.
thefool
Member
What the adults are saying is that when you create an imaginary set of rules to justify public executions, you or someone you care about will eventually fall victim to someone else's judgment.
This has nothing to do with healthcare, he could be a climate extremist and the same crowd would cheer with similar fervor.
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Nydius
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I've been away a while so I haven't read all of these pages but I just want to toss in my 2 copper pieces.
The fact that so many from all different political and religious views are cheering for the assassination of another human being -- and calling for more to follow! -- makes me feel like I'm living in bizarro world. Even IF someone could offer incontrovertible evidence that Mr. Thompson was a complete and total scumbag who intentionally withheld lifesaving claims from UnitedHealthcare patients that wouldn't justify cold-blooded murder in an act of wanna-be corporate vigilantism.
I dispute the notion that this kind of action is the only solution for a broken system. The U.S. lived in a much worse period of robber barons than this. People didn't assassinate Carnegie or Rockefeller or Vanderbilt. They fought for legal changes and they fought for increased power through labor unions. They didn't solve the issue with bullets (edit: yes, I'm aware of some of the skirmishes during the robber baron era, but you know what I mean). In fact, history shows that assassinations/attempts often has an opposite effect than what is intended. (See also, 2024 politics.)
Sorry for the rant but after the last several days I'm just disheartened by the discourse, and it's not limited to a particular ideological lean. I've seen groups all over the political spectrum cheering for this and it turns my stomach.
The fact that so many from all different political and religious views are cheering for the assassination of another human being -- and calling for more to follow! -- makes me feel like I'm living in bizarro world. Even IF someone could offer incontrovertible evidence that Mr. Thompson was a complete and total scumbag who intentionally withheld lifesaving claims from UnitedHealthcare patients that wouldn't justify cold-blooded murder in an act of wanna-be corporate vigilantism.
I dispute the notion that this kind of action is the only solution for a broken system. The U.S. lived in a much worse period of robber barons than this. People didn't assassinate Carnegie or Rockefeller or Vanderbilt. They fought for legal changes and they fought for increased power through labor unions. They didn't solve the issue with bullets (edit: yes, I'm aware of some of the skirmishes during the robber baron era, but you know what I mean). In fact, history shows that assassinations/attempts often has an opposite effect than what is intended. (See also, 2024 politics.)
Sorry for the rant but after the last several days I'm just disheartened by the discourse, and it's not limited to a particular ideological lean. I've seen groups all over the political spectrum cheering for this and it turns my stomach.
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They tried, especially after the Ludlow massacre. American Anarchists at the beginning of the 20th century were not kidding and bombed left and right.
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diffusionx
Gold Member
we also had mass left wing terrorism in the 1970s which is mostly ignored and covered up today. Heck we had a president of the United States with one degree of separation from these people. This sort of thing is part and parcel with left wing radicalism. So while I think the support for this guy is part of that, he isn’t. Like I said I think he just went schizo thanks to drugs and his brief appearance in court affirmed that imo.They tried, especially after the Ludlow massacre. American Anarchists at the beginning of the 20th century were not kidding and bombed left and right.
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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Insurance isn't healthcare. It's health pay. What doctors and nurses provide is healthcare.
UHC is one of the most PROFITABLE and RICHEST insurance companies in the world! They don't get there from paying out in full for every one of their customers...
If you take away the profit motive of doctors and hospitals, prices would go WAY down. That's how it is in many other Western countries (I think).
UHC is one of the most PROFITABLE and RICHEST insurance companies in the world! They don't get there from paying out in full for every one of their customers...
If you take away the profit motive of doctors and hospitals, prices would go WAY down. That's how it is in many other Western countries (I think).
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I'd argue not losing that inheritance might be worse, honestly. Having that money but not being able to use it. It would be like a prison guard dangling a juicy cheeseburger in front of you everyday while you have to eat the slop at the mess hall.
Melon Husk
Member
In other words,
healthcare decisions should be left up to a doctor. Insurance company overruling a doctor's prescribed treatment is gross negligence of human life.
Not sure why you're trying to moralize, we all know murder is wrong.
Also not sure why you're saying this has nothing to do with healthcare when the online discourse shows otherwise.
The Fartist
Gold Member
There you go again with the "shrooms", you've obviously have never done them.
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