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[Dusk Soldier]

WTF at Tyrion telling Shae to fuck off. Now she will go to Tywin willingly and will have a clear motive to betray him during the trial, what the hell.

Now with this scene the shock of Tyrion killing Shae is lost, why would he now? He told her she is a whore and should leave, she acts accordingly and then he kills her to add insult to injury? That's stupid, Tyrion is not such an asshole in the series.

Unless... wait, are they planning on Tyrion NOT killing Shae...?

Not gonna talk about Stannis and his show stupidity, I'm trying to get used to it.

To be honest, I think they're going to change it to Tywin killing Shae. He already threatned to hang her anyways.

It also gives Tyrion a much more sympathetic motive for wanting to kill his father.

 

[calza]

She's actually ahead of Tommen according to Dorne.

Not really according to Dorne, in Dornish law succession is equal among genders yes, but it only applies in Dorne.

 

[kirblar]

Bronn is totally going to get the lord-ship for delivering Shae to Cersei/Tywin instead.

To be honest, I think they're going to change it to Tywin killing Shae. He already threatned to hang her anyways.

It also gives Tyrion a much more sympathetic motive for wanting to kill his father.

Or at least come very close to doing it, if they want Shae to replace Penny for S5. Tyrion killing her just makes 0 sense in this adaptation given the radical changes to Shae.

They haven't yet brought up Tyrion's first wife's story, right?

 

[RedShift]

Who is left to "die" who has a huge impact?
The mountain and Oberyn, but honestly that's like whatever.

The Hound will be "dead" for a while, that'll probably be a surprise to viewers.
From there...? I don't remember anyone else being dead aside from Snow "dying"
Now that I think of it, it's more fake deaths and twist resurrections than real deaths from here on out isn't it? Cat being the first.

Well there is Tywin which is a pretty huge deal. Bigger deal than Joffrey really.

Then there's Shae. Which would be a big deal on its own, but when combined with the fact Tyrion kills her is huge. Especially combined with the above.

And Ygritte. It doesn't have any huge ramifications for the storyline really but her death is one of the saddest. 'You'll see lots of castles Ygritte' 'You know nuthin Jon Snu'

Oh and I guess Balon's still moping around isn't he? Well him too I guess.

For posts like this you really have to check like 5 times you're in the right thread.

They haven't yet brought up Tyrion's first wife's story, right?

The whole story was told to Bronn and Shae in Season 1 and it was mentioned twice in Season 3. Pretty sure they'll keep it in.

 

[greatgeek]

To be honest, I think they're going to change it to Tywin killing Shae. He already threatned to hang her anyways.

It also gives Tyrion a much more sympathetic motive for wanting to kill his father.

I haven't had a problem with the show's "whitewashing" of certain characters before, but this would upset me.

 

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

I haven't had a problem with the show's "whitewashing" of certain characters before, but this would upset me.

Yeah, show Tyrion has been too nice as it is. They really need to dirty him up.

 

[studyguy]

For posts like this you really have to check like 5 times you're in the right thread.

Believe me, I know all too well...

Anyway, I'm looking forward to Brienne's quest out to do whatever the hell.
I know a lot of people didn't like her arc, but I really enjoy her character. Should make for some good adventuring in the show, her casting is great.

Also Reek on the whole has been super underwhelming, I expected more I guess. He just looks like Theon with a nasty tick and slightly lighter hair.

 

[Calamari41]

Well there is Tywin which is a pretty huge deal. Bigger deal than Joffrey really.

Then there's Shae. Which would be a big deal on its own, but when combined with the fact Tyrion kills her is huge. Especially combined with the above.

And Ygritte. It doesn't have any huge ramifications for the storyline really but her death is one of the saddest. 'You'll see lots of castles Ygritte' 'You know nuthin Jon Snu'

Oh and I guess Balon's still moping around isn't he? Well him too I guess.

For posts like this you really have to check like 5 times you're in the right thread.


The whole story was told to Bronn and Shae in Season 1 and it was mentioned twice in Season 3. Pretty sure they'll keep it in.

Kevan's death is pretty big not just in the fact that it removes him from the picture, but also in what it reveals.

 

[demosthenes]

Oh I guess I am.
How far off is that? Think it'll be drawn out to season finale?

Oh shit that's right Ygritte too...
That whole scene at the wall was crazy though iirc.

Mountain/Viper fight is most likely episode 8. Episode 9 is entirely the wall. Tywin will die in episode 10 then.

 

[-griffy-]

To be honest, I think they're going to change it to Tywin killing Shae. He already threatned to hang her anyways.

It also gives Tyrion a much more sympathetic motive for wanting to kill his father.

I think it'll play out the same in the show. We won't see or hear about Shae until she comes out as a witness during his trial. It will blind side the audience, and their last scene together gives Shae more motivation for doing what she does. We still understand why Tyrion did what he did though and will feel sympathy for him, all the while making us dislike Shae more. Meaning her death will be all the more cathartic and less "Holy shit, that was pretty fucked up for Tyrion."

 

[Pluto]

She's actually ahead of Tommen according to Dorne.

But King's landing is not in Dorne.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought outside of Dorne, women couldn't rule?

They can, that's why they say Sansa is the key to the north, with her brothers dead she's the heir. Maege Mormont became head of her house and ruled bear island after Jorah left.d, Balon Greyjoy wanted Asha to succeed him, Cersei becomes lady of Casterly Rock etc.

 

[hendersonhank]

WTF at Tyrion telling Shae to fuck off.

He obviously was rude to her to get her to want to leave. It's the only way he could think of to get her out of there to keep her safe. It has nothing to do with being an asshole.

 

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

Kevan's death is pretty big not just in the fact that it removes him from the picture, but also in what it reveals.

I was instantly saddened when I realized Kevan was the POV for the epilogue. Such a great character.

 

[Real Hero]

I know a lot of people didn't like her arc, but I really enjoy her character. Should make for some good adventuring in the show, her casting is great.
r.

Brienne's quests chapters were were both an example of Martin getting side tracked and dwelling too much on traveling but also an example of his writing getting much better. I'm conflicted on them because nothing happens for most of them but stuff like Nimble Dick, the broken men speech and Brienne fighting Biter are so well done.

 

[RedShift]

He obviously was rude to her to get her to want to leave. It's the only way he could think of to get her out of there to keep her safe. It has nothing to do with being an asshole.

It was like Arya throwing rocks at Nymeria

 

[Blue Ninja]

"And neither will you."

The only way that scene could've been any more perfect was if Ser Loras dropped the mic and just walked off-set.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

To be honest, I think they're going to change it to Tywin killing Shae. He already threatned to hang her anyways.

It also gives Tyrion a much more sympathetic motive for wanting to kill his father.

Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

[dubq]

To be honest, I think they're going to change it to Tywin killing Shae. He already threatned to hang her anyways.

It also gives Tyrion a much more sympathetic motive for wanting to kill his father.

Doubtful. The showrunners pitched Tyrion to Dinklage as not a hero, or a villain, nor sympathetic. They would totally have him kill her, especially for that type of betrayal. Tyrion really is the ultimate shade of grey character..

Also, keep in mind, we still haven't seen the scene from the Season 4 promo where Shae is surprised to see someone approach her as she looks on from a rather lavish looking bed.

 

[Herr K]

Do you think we'll be getting the Singer's Stew story?

 

[hendersonhank]

It was like Arya throwing rocks at Nymeria

Exactly!

 

[dubq]

He obviously was rude to her to get her to want to leave. It's the only way he could think of to get her out of there to keep her safe. It has nothing to do with being an asshole.

Seriously. That was pretty much the most obvious thing in the world. Not sure how someone couldn't catch that..

 

[Violater]

Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Yea I hope they don't do that, and I hope that Tyrion is crying as he does it.
Though I can't remember in the show was there an actual chain of hands?

 

[LegendofJoe]

I can't wait to see the battle for Winterfell on screen. Unlike the books we'll actually get to see the full battle go down in short succession. Martin unfortunately for us doesn't give a damn about making us wait 5 plus years to find out the conclusions to cliffhanger endings.

 

[studyguy]

Show's been greenlit for two more seasons, right?
I don't know if I could stand a full season for each book if that's how they're planning it.

 

[kirblar]

The "shit gold" line was dropped this episode, so we can be pretty sure that part of the story isn't being altered.

 

[dubq]

Yea I hope they don't do that, and I hope that Tyrion is crying as he does it.
Though I can't remember in the show was there an actual chain of hands?

I don't know if it was a chain, but he has it on his armor in the Blackwater episode:

 

[Lothar]

Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

This would be a good change because it made Tyrion totally unlikable when he became a murderer in the books. It made me not care about anything he did in DwD.

 

[Violater]

I don't know if it was a chain, but he has it on his armor in the Blackwater episode:

Sweet looks like an actual chain.
I hope he chokes the shit out of her with it.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

This would be a good change because it made Tyrion totally unlikable when he became a murderer in the books. It made me not care about anything he did in DwD.

Idk, I can see her doing or saying something really fucked up (sides from bein with his Dad) to Tyrion that makes her death more of a Crime of Passion, than anything else.

 

[dubq]

This would be a good change because it made Tyrion totally unlikable when he became a murderer in the books. It made me not care about anything he did in DwD.

I didn't really care that much.. not different than anything Arya has done, really. Frankly, the one thing I hope that doesn't happen in the show is Tyrion's constant pining over "where do whores go?"

 

[studyguy]

Sweet looks like an actual chain.
I hope he chokes the shit out of her with it.

I think they tweeted out a shot of the chain or had it in a preview a while back.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

Yea I hope they don't do that, and I hope that Tyrion is crying as he does it.
Though I can't remember in the show was there an actual chain of hands?

No, there's only the pin. He could probably just use a cord or ribbon or something in the room.

This would be a good change because it made Tyrion totally unlikable when he became a murderer in the books. It made me not care about anything he did in DwD.

I dunno, I thought Shae's death was justified. Tyrion loved her, trusted her, and genuinely believed she felt the same. Then, when she betrays him to testify against him, it's the ultimate slap in the face. When he finds her in Tywin's bed, he reaches his breaking point. Hearbreak can do tremendous things to a character, especially if they've been emotionally damaged by past relationships.

If anything it made Tyrion's arc more interesting with how he deals with the guilt of what he's done.

 

[studyguy]

Didn't know people disliked Tyrion offing Tywin.
I thought it was pretty god damn satisfying.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

I didn't really care that much.. not different than anything Arya has done, really. Frankly, the one thing I hope that doesn't happen in the show is Tyrion's constant pining over "where do whores go?"

But where do Whores go?


I didn't mind him being haunted by this, I just hated how he kept asking people like it's some clever riddle.

 

[kris.]

I dunno, I thought Shae's death was justified. Tyrion loved her, trusted her, and genuinely believed she felt the same. Then, when she betrays him to testify against him, it's the ultimate betrayal. When he finds her in Tywin's bed, he reaches is breaking point. Hearbreak can do tremendous things to a character, especially if they've been emotionally damaged by past relationships.

If anything it made Tyrion's arc more interesting with how he deals with the guilt of what he's done.

this. it'll be especially justifiable in that she seems to really care about him in the show and he knows it. finding her in his father's bed after being testified against? oof.

 

[Plasmid]

Didn't know people disliked Tyrion offing Tywin.
I thought it was pretty god damn satisfying.

It was one of my favorite parts of ASOS. It's so great to see revenge on his shitty dad. I'll be really upset if they change it up.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Tyrion is someone I've always rooted for in the books. I feel like he has earned a free pass on a lot of things due to the shitty way everyone around him treats him.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

It was one of my favorite parts of ASOS. It's so great to see revenge on his shitty dad. I'll be really upset if they change it up.

They've been pretty good at maintaining the iconic deaths and keeping the general spirit of them. I really doubt it changes all that much.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Who is left to "die" who has a huge impact?
The mountain and Oberyn, but honestly that's like whatever.

The Hound will be "dead" for a while, that'll probably be a surprise to viewers.
From there...? I don't remember anyone else being dead aside from Snow "dying"
Now that I think of it, it's more fake deaths and twist resurrections than real deaths from here on out isn't it? Cat being the first.

Tywin
Ygritte
Oberyn
Shae

for this season. Tywin is going to be the biggest loss, IMHO.

 

[Lothar]

No, there's only the pin. He could probably just use a cord or ribbon or something in the room.



I dunno, I thought Shae's death was justified. Tyrion loved her, trusted her, and genuinely believed she felt the same. Then, when she betrays him to testify against him, it's the ultimate slap in the face. When he finds her in Tywin's bed, he reaches is breaking point. Hearbreak can do tremendous things to a character, especially if they've been emotionally damaged by past relationships.

If anything it made Tyrion's arc more interesting with how he deals with the guilt of what he's done.

I can't sympathize with someone killing a woman because she lied and didn't really love him. In real life, I'd be happy if I read someone went to jail for a very long time because of that. In fantasy too. It killed Tyrion's arc for me. I'm not going to sympathize with him now. All attempts in DwD to made him come off as likable just comes off as absurd to me now. I hope he never finds Tysha.

 

[Lautaro]

This would be a good change because it made Tyrion totally unlikable when he became a murderer in the books. It made me not care about anything he did in DwD.

Unlikable for a few readers maybe... I doubt the majority thinks that way.

In my case, I still like Tyrion and I hope he gets to cause some more chaos in the future books.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

Tywin
Ygritte
Oberyn
Shae

for this season. Tywin is going to be the biggest loss, IMHO.

Yeah. Tywin's death is going to be something else.

I can't sympathize with someone killing a woman because she lied and didn't really love him. In real life, I'd be happy if I read someone went to jail for a very long time because of that. In fantasy too. It killed Tyrion's arc for me. I'm not going to sympathize with him now. All attempts in DwD to made him come off as likable just comes off as absurd to me now. I hope he never finds Tysha.

It's not just that she didn't love him and lied, though. It's that she essentially makes herself his enemy by actively working to get him executed, plus the nature of their romantic relationship.

 

[Violater]

I didn't really care that much.. not different than anything Arya has done, really. Frankly, the one thing I hope that doesn't happen in the show is Tyrion's constant pining over "where do whores go?"

I never saw it as a pining, no more different than Arya's prayer, Jamie's constant thoughts on all the men that Cersi supposedly slept with, Daney's with fire and blood or Daaario

Spoiler

ok that one was annoying as shit pining

.

 

[Betty]

I didn't find Tyrion the least bit unlikeable for killing Shae and Tywin, Shae had betrayed him to save herself and Tywin was and always has been an utter asshole to him.

 

[DrForester]

I didn't find Tyrion the least bit unlikeable for killing Shae and Tywin, Shae had betrayed him to save herself and Tywin was and always has been an utter asshole to him.

Yeah, Tyrion reached his breaking point. I don't hold those deaths against him.

 

[Walter White Walker]

Shae twisted everything at the trial in order to help get Tyrion convicted for a crime he didn't commit, and his father was a complete asshole to him. I didn't have a problem with him killing either of 'em.

 

[NekoFever]

The "shit gold" line was dropped this episode, so we can be pretty sure that part of the story isn't being altered.

I hope that don't try to wedge that in as a line of dialogue. If Tyrion says it as a one-liner after offing Tywin it's going to be tacky as hell.

 

[LegendofJoe]

Tyrion is someone I've always rooted for in the books. I feel like he has earned a free pass on a lot of things due to the shitty way everyone around him treats him.

Agreed, his family reviles him for no logical reason. It's why the only Lannister I like other than Tyrion is Jaime. The scenes between him, Cersei, Tywin, and Tyrion are going to be incredible the rest of the season.

 

[ultron87]

*BOOKS SPOILERS* *BOOKS SPOILERS* *BOOKS SPOILERS* *BOOKS SPOILERS* *BOOKS SPOILERS* *BOOKS SPOILERS*

Tywin
Ygritte
Oberyn
Shae

for this season. Tywin is going to be the biggest loss, IMHO.

You're leaving out the best death, Lysa.

 

[Red Arremer]

Man, rewatching the dwarf act... none of the noble recurring characters are amused except for Joffrey, who pisses himself, as well as Tommen and Cersei.
Tywin sorta pretends to smirk in like one scene, but he is as serious as the Tyrells, Sansa, Tyrion, etc.

Tywin
Ygritte
Oberyn
Shae

for this season. Tywin is going to be the biggest loss, IMHO.

Also Lysa, Dontos, and the Mountain.