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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 5 Offseason Thread
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hydrophilic attack
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This is beautiful
Then the stage is set, and the War of the Five Endings begins:
GRRM writes the script for the last episode but dies before completing the last book. The showrunners claim that the show's ending is the legitimate ending to the series, but GRRM's publisher releases the final book, finished by another fantasy author who perhaps takes his/her own liberties. Hardcore fans storm GRRM's household and find manuscripts which they believe represent the true ending of the series, and post an edited version of A Dream of Spring online. Linda and Elio then step in and use their claim as close collaborators with GRRM to put forward their own edited version of the final novel, suspiciously written as if intentionally meant to contradict the show's ending. After a particularly nasty online rant from Linda, Elio distances himself from her and their book edit, saying that the true ending is still out there somewhere and he will find it. The fifth and final ending is a dark horse, and we cannot know its nature until the moment of truth approaches.
badcrumble
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That'd be cool.
I'd also be down for a Final Fantasy Tactics sort of ending, where the good guys save the world from an apocalypse but end up completely forgotten to history because someone else takes power.
Oh man I really can't wait to see how mad Linda and Elio get when the show finally passes the books though.
Steelyuhas
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I assume we'll get some Linda meltdowns this year.
badcrumble
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Especially when GRRM doesn't publicly disavow the show and just says "we're taking somewhat different paths but we're going to the same endpoint."
aka that the show will be about as close an adaptation of the future books as it's been of the past books
bodyofanamerican
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Regardless of how I feel about the show passing the books, that nitwit's reaction to it all will be so wonderful.
I like this.
I mean she's already had pre-meltdowns about the Dorne castings, hasn't she? The Sansa plot is going to destroy her.
PHOENIXZERO
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This season could be the one that breaks her, if not season six almost certainly will.
RatskyWatsky
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The people who hate Linda are far worse than Linda herself. Reading their meltdowns of her meltdowns is always fun tho.
Bingo.
I honestly can't wait. Jaime in Dorne, Sansa in Winterfell, Hardhome,
Jon's sped up Lord Commander arc, Sam/Aemon staying at Castle Black
RatskyWatsky
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badcrumble
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nah she's a weird misogynist nerd
Maybe my memory's extremely faulty (it's been a while), but I could have sworn Jon had already been elected Lord Commander by the end of ASOS.
Steelyuhas
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Uhhhhh who the fuck is Linda?
Sped up in the context that it's not as drawn out as it was in the book i.e. a lot more sudden.
badcrumble
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Ah, gotcha. Yeah, that's reasonably likely.
SpaceHorror
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So, uh, there seems to be a chance we could get The Winds of Winter this year? GRRM posted a new blog about how he would not be attending the Saratoga World Fantasy Convention nor the San Diego Comic Con this year as he has too much on his plate, the biggest thing being The Winds of Winter. However, he ended with this little nugget:
http://grrm.livejournal.com/412882.html
I'm not saying get your hopes up, but maybe get your hopes up.
Still, to my knowledge, this is the first hint of progress we've received in a while.
Edit- And just for everyone's information:
San Diego Comicon: July 9-12
World Fantasy Convention: November 5-8
Seems like a late 15/early 16 release is feasible.
GRRM said:
http://grrm.livejournal.com/412882.html
I'm not saying get your hopes up, but maybe get your hopes up.
Probably shouldn't get your hopes up.
Still, to my knowledge, this is the first hint of progress we've received in a while.
Edit- And just for everyone's information:
San Diego Comicon: July 9-12
World Fantasy Convention: November 5-8
Seems like a late 15/early 16 release is feasible.
I will get my hopes up.
Considering how he's been silent about his progress for a while, and ever since how that Dance promise in Feast turned out, I find it difficult to believe he'd say such a thing if he did not think a near end is in sight for the book.
SpaceHorror
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My hopes are up, too. He just said he doesn't joke around with ASoIaF book releases and he knows the excitement a comment like that will stir up, so I imagine he believes he can finish it by year's end if not sooner.
I recently put a re-read on standby to read something else, but I feel like I should continue it now.
Is she a user here or a blogger or?...
RatskyWatsky
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Mhm, so her detractors like to trumpet ad nauseam.
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!!
Hopes approaching 9000
Incandenza
Banned
I really hope that if he does finish it this year he announces it via a blog post that just says "It's done. Fuck you all" followed by maybe a picture of him rubbing the manuscript on his ass or something.
PhoenixDark
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RatskyWatsky
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How many manuscripts did his previous books have?
I think he said Dance was 1200 pages
RatskyWatsky
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Holy shit! He's (probably) so close! *hyperventilating*
RatskyWatsky
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PhoenixDark
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ASOS and ADWD had a little more than 1500 MS pages, which translates to 900something printed pages.
Let's look at Martin's schedule: http://www.georgerrmartin.com/appearances/
By cutting the World Fantasy Con, Martin will now be home in New Mexico with no events for September, October, and November. Three months to perhaps hit the final stretch.
The other possibility with respect to the summer: he has an event from June 25-28. By cancelling his Comic Con appearance he'll have all of July off to write at home; his next appearance is on August 19th, which means he'll have at least a couple weeks of August to write as well. So basically: July+Sept+Oct+Nov. And that's not counting the limited free time he'll have in the spring.
I've long argued Martin's probably isn't necessarily that he's a slow writer. It's that he doesn't give himself enough time to write due to a hectic schedule. If we look back at 2014 his last appearance was in August; he got back home late that month. So from September 2014 to late Feb 2015 he didn't have any official events; he did a couple days of promo for WOIAF but I don't count that. Nearly 6 months of writing time. I think he made a lot of progress during that time, and now sees the light at the end of the tunnel.
bengraven
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So I just read her posts on Dornish/casting of Oberyn.
Her whole thing is that Spanish/Italians don't view themselves as people of color - they view themselves as white.
And that to her olive skinned =/= people of color. (she's right http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olive_skin )
And that people flipping out about Oberyn's casting not being "people of color" enough was ludicrous.
Which it was.
She was pretty goddamn antagonistic about it, but she wasn't wrong in that regard.
Even in the books, the coastal Dornish were of medium complexion, and when you take in the Martell's intermixing with the Targaryans and other peoples in Westeros - they are not going to be super dark skinned or retain 100% of their Rhoynish features.
So people expecting them to be straight up Indian or African in features were definitely completely wrong.
Is this what people mean when they say that "Linda doesn't allow people of color in her head canon"?
Or is there more to it and I haven't delved deep enough into the rabbit hole?...
biosnake20
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Hardhome spoilers :
http://watchersonthewall.com/hbo-asia-version-of-game-of-thrones-trailer-offers-new-footage/#comment-270173
So it looks like Tormund won't be dying at Hardhome.
http://watchersonthewall.com/hbo-asia-version-of-game-of-thrones-trailer-offers-new-footage/#comment-270173
badcrumble
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ah, people say it a lot. must be false
Nice! I assumed the publishers would want it pushed back to be released right before this season, but if this season's still largely about AFFC/ADWD material and it'll be roughly "caught up" with the books by the end of the season, it makes the most sense by far to release it between seasons 5 and 6 for maximum attention and dollars. Not that implying to people who've only seen the show that they're appropriately caught up for the books, of course, but that doesn't mean the publishers won't allow it to be implied for profit's sake, lol. And it might be handy for people who've read the books but who've sort of had their memories somewhat-refreshed by the show.
I know he's expressed some sadness (if that's the word) about the show passing the books, and I don't mean my above comment to sound conspiracy theory-ish, but it's got to be really really nice for everyone with money involved in the books to have book 6 come out just as the show hits that material. So I get that he's bummed about e.g. the inevitability of the show ending before he finishes the books, but I don't know if he's feeling desperation about it (and, for someone who takes so long between books anyway, I think it's obvious that he's much more committed to writing the book he wants to write than he is to hitting whatever deadline).
SHOW HARDHOME SPOILERS:
Huh. I'm kind of surprised by that. I figured there was no way they would do Hardhome without at least one major casualty. Tormund seemed an easy fit for that.
Um dude, that is not how you do spoiler tags. I clicked on that thinking it'd just be something else and now have been spoiled. You have to give at least some clue as to what you are talking about. Just say Hardhome spoilers or something.
Thanks, but that's how I've always felt the series would end especially since GRRM said the ending would be bittersweet. He's complained before about how LOTR ends and it just assumes Aragorn was a good king. But, how exactly was he a good king? You mean no one was upset with some tax policy he implemented a few years later? Were their any rebellions or challenges to his rule? Etc. I think the lesson we see repeatedly in GoT is that the story never ends, it just keeps going.
The Age of Heroes and The Long Night were supposedly amazing time period full of mythical heroes and magical beings and yet once the Others were defeated life went on. Those alleged heroes passed into legend or were forgotten, The Andals invaded, the Children of the Forest were mostly killed off, Valyria rose and fell, The Seven took over most of Westeros, Aegon Conquered most of Westeros, Robert ended the Targaryens, and now there's civil war. The game stays the same but the players change.
The Wolves (Starks) may return but their problems will be far from over. Their will be good Starks, bad Starks, insane Starks, and dim witted Starks. Perhaps Jon Snow does marry Daederys and the Targaryen line rules again but whose to say that a hundred years after this Long Night their dynasty has all but ended?
I will say that in addition to what I posted before that I believe that the series will also end with the seasons being brought into balance. Thus, the "Song of Ice and Fire" is not just a story about this Second Long Night, it's actually a story about how the seasons came into balance like we have in our real world.
RatskyWatsky
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Basileus777
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What an embarrassing thing to say.
Or you know, people that aren't neophytes have been in the community many years and have witnessed how Linda interacts with other human beings long enough to know she is an awful person.
badcrumble
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I wouldn't and didn't say that.
MAJOR SPOILERS:
wasn't Edd seen in the crew heading to Hardhome? They wouldn't dare....
RatskyWatsky
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nevermind
Is Arya the least hyped in these teasers and trailers every year or does it just seem that way to me?
Everytime all I see is Dany, Tyrion, and Jon. Which makes sense but it would be nice to get some hype for her story.
I know the trailers have no reflection on the season as a whole but it seems so Dany focused and I totally didn't expect that. Both trailers and this recent teaser have been Dany/Tyrion focused. I did not expect that given their book stories.
Everytime all I see is Dany, Tyrion, and Jon. Which makes sense but it would be nice to get some hype for her story.
I know the trailers have no reflection on the season as a whole but it seems so Dany focused and I totally didn't expect that. Both trailers and this recent teaser have been Dany/Tyrion focused. I did not expect that given their book stories.
Edd can't die, because we need a scene of him being disappointed about surviving to see another saying his miserable life.
Probably really hard to show much Arya without giving too much away. I think they really want to surprise people with
Jaqen's return
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