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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 7 Offseason Thread
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They're heat resistant at best according to GRRM. Show Dany is the only human with permanent fire immunity.
He burned his hand in both the books and show.
Alright fam I got questions.
1) is Lord Royce cheering for Jon snow king in Da norf?
2) who are the remaining people in the storm lands loyal to or are there just not there anymore
3) the entire realm is in open rebellion against the crown (westerlands and crown lands only people left supporting cersei) what's the plan here
4) with barristan slain, jorah off explorin, and daario left to enforce the queens justice who draws up the battle plan for dany?
1) is Lord Royce cheering for Jon snow king in Da norf?
2) who are the remaining people in the storm lands loyal to or are there just not there anymore
3) the entire realm is in open rebellion against the crown (westerlands and crown lands only people left supporting cersei) what's the plan here
4) with barristan slain, jorah off explorin, and daario left to enforce the queens justice who draws up the battle plan for dany?
Admiral Woofington
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So I'm part of the group I rewatched the finale with my dad,my sister, my sis' boyfriend and all of them are show only watchers. When the Jon baby scene happened they understood that he was lyanna's son, but didn't understand what any of the conversation meant or who was the father.
They only got the basic idea that he wasn't Ned's son. Not the whole Jonchilada.
They only got the basic idea that he wasn't Ned's son. Not the whole Jonchilada.
They didn't tell who the father was, and I expect this to be addressed in a future episode.
I thought the scene was meant to refute the notion that he was the son of some tavern slut.
It was a beautiful scene whether you understood its meaning or not, I feel. Like as close to the magic of reading a book as you can get from Dan and Dave.
Red Arremer
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He burned his hand in both the book and the show, but only the books remind us often of it. The show had his hand bandaged for a while and healed up a few eps later.
MegaSackman
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Well they can invent that he's inmune to fire now that has been reborn.
Yeah, I could actually see them doing this.
Jon vs Sansa will happen in the books, it seems they might return to where the books are eventually headed.
hey_monkey
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Tyrion, Grey Worm, and Dany herself, who knows her dragons best.
demosthenes
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What? In the show that was HR, in the books we haven't gotten the full version of the fight.
IggyChooChoo
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My thought about Jon proving his lineage through fire isn't that it's a permanent X-Men-like power, but that it'll happen mysteriously in a public human sacrifice fire and blood situation that way Dany's has, and then people will believe he's a Targaryen.
No they don't. Not even Roose can go as far as kin-slaying Ramsay despite knowing he killed his other son.
And the Freys are now despised for breaking guest right.
The only people that kingslayed are Jaime, Roose and Euron. All 3 of which are awful people although Jaime had justifiable reasons but nonetheless he became a socials pariah as a result.
These things have consequences in the books just not in the show because the plot writes the show there.
Like Jon becoming King in the North like that in the show sets a precedent for bastards usurping their trueborn kin. There are established rules that the lords have to abide by or things go to hell fast.
Here's the problem. Only Daenerys is actually fire immune in the show.
Nothing says that other Targaryens have ever been this. So how would the public know that is some Targaryen super power which it's not. It's a Daenerys only superpower.
Plenty of Targs have died burning including Aegon V and most of the Targs at Summerhall.
In a television show, there is a need to turn the unusual into something spectacular. You can certainly appreciate how a detail like this turned into Dany's defining characteristic.
They can pass off Jon being hurt by fire due to his Stark blood.
They can pass off Viserys being hurt by fire as missing out on that gene and getting the crazies instead. Flip a coin yada yada..
Although I'm pretty sure dropping a molten pot of gold on her head would kill Dany also.
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Dany also seems to have some sort of magical connection the Dragons.
They can pass off Viserys being hurt by fire as missing out on that gene and getting the crazies instead. Flip a coin yada yada..
Although I'm pretty sure dropping a molten pot of gold on her head would kill Dany also.
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Dany also seems to have some sort of magical connection the Dragons.
Mix Master
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Man I was told that Euron was a cool character, and this is what we got? Dude looks like a reject from my name is earl. Guy from the citadel was a better villain.
demosthenes
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It will be dying or jumping to a dragon and he'll try it and it will work.
grandjedi6
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The show is more likely to make Jon fire proof because of his Lord of Light connections and not because he's a Targ.
Being a Targ is why he's gonna be Dragon riding before the the series end. Probably right after they kill off his wolf.
Being a Targ is why he's gonna be Dragon riding before the the series end. Probably right after they kill off his wolf.
The show majorly dropped the ball here unless it's just a misdirect for next season. Or maybe they're debating whether to introduce the other sides of Euron for next season.
Until the NK gets through the Wall
Bad pussys?
it all happened offscreen
The most vocal book fans are character fans, and they are mostly disbelieving of and vehemently against any idea of Stark (including Jon) vs Stark. They'll blame anything and everything they can until it happens in the books then they'll blame GRRM. In most cases their character fandom outweighs any other consideration and they'll prefer whichever medium gives their character a more heroic happy time of things.
SporeCrawler
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1) probably not. Its an interesting question if the vale will stay an ally to sansa. They have been successful with their isolation tactic so far. Depends on what little finger does. I could see robin beeing married to cersei or dany.
2) notable stormlords are dondarrion, selmy and tarth.. I presume none of them will be loyal to cersei. They may be loyal to the north.
3) Death and destruction. Cersei only knows rulkng through fear. Thats probably what she will try to do.
4) tyrion
Let's give it up for the usurped.
-David Bradley
-Patrick Malahide
-Jonathan Pryce
-Michael Mcelhatton
-Alexander Siddig
-Natalie Dormer
-Roger Ashton-Griffiths
If I had told you they would kill the leader of almost every region in Westeros, you would have called me nuts, right?
-David Bradley
-Patrick Malahide
-Jonathan Pryce
-Michael Mcelhatton
-Alexander Siddig
-Natalie Dormer
-Roger Ashton-Griffiths
If I had told you they would kill the leader of almost every region in Westeros, you would have called me nuts, right?
Well do they want he Starks to return to Winterfell after the whitewalkers are defeated and do the third ending of Lord of the Rings with little Stark childrenrunning up to Sansa and Arya taking Bran horseback riding? They should have known that wasn't in the cards.
I think this is a GRRM idea but the problem is that it feels forced in the show after their bonding time.
I don't think Book Jon and Book Sansa are going to have any time to bond before they're in conflict with each other over who gets Winterfell.
(Jon actually does want Winterfell really badly despite what people say.)
A Human Becoming
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Has Jon lost his balls? When Lord Glover asks forgiveness for not fighting for him at Winterfell Jon says there's nothing to forgive. Hell yes there is! I wanted Jon to do what Robb threatened Greatjon Umber: to root Glover out of his keep and hang him for an oathbreaker.
I think that characters can appear to resolve the deepest future conflict at a moment in time, but in their minds they are not done with the issue.
I think Sansa and Jon appear perfectly reasonable talking about the future of their home.
If at some future time Sansa starts yelling at Jon and calling him a bastard with no claim to Winterfell, or she splinters off into her own little faction of the north, well they'd have to develop that pretty hard, and I don't think there's time.
Mostly I think it will come down to a few scenes of Littlefinger presenting Sansa with options. She must choose between Jon Snow having all the power or take some power for herself.
The last several years have consisted of her being robbed of her home, her family, her virginity. If no lord or lady will give her anything, she will have to take it for herself. And the only political figure weak enough to let her do that is Jon.
I think Sansa and Jon appear perfectly reasonable talking about the future of their home.
If at some future time Sansa starts yelling at Jon and calling him a bastard with no claim to Winterfell, or she splinters off into her own little faction of the north, well they'd have to develop that pretty hard, and I don't think there's time.
Mostly I think it will come down to a few scenes of Littlefinger presenting Sansa with options. She must choose between Jon Snow having all the power or take some power for herself.
The last several years have consisted of her being robbed of her home, her family, her virginity. If no lord or lady will give her anything, she will have to take it for herself. And the only political figure weak enough to let her do that is Jon.
Jon Snow like Stannis is suffering from PKS. Passive king syndrome.
Jon knows he needs all the men they can get to fight the white walkers.
Jon heard the credit music starting up. Once people start yelling king in the north, you can't stop it.
A Human Becoming
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While you're right, saying there's nothing to forgive is a meek response IMO
Tyrion's nickname is Lord Too Small To Sit a Dragon
I'm only mad at how they glossed over Sansa withholding information. I want consistent characters regardless of who came up with the idea.
There's a deleted scene in the finale where Mel talks to him before she leaves, and tells him the secret to fast travel - "To be everywhere, you must first give up what it means to be a man."
Sirpopopop
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1. Yes
2. They are still around. Just not part of the action. I presume they are loyal to House Lannister-"Baratheon" but there aren't enough of them to make a big difference. Lot of losses from the Blackwater in Season 2 & then a slow whittling away of the rest who went with Stannis.
3. Cersei has no idea that Dany is coming. She probably doesn't know that Littlefinger double crossed her yet. She's also unaware that she just lost the RIverlands due to Arya's actions. I'm sure the first episode of Season 7 will result in her learning how fucked she is... which will lead her to Euron.
4. Theon/Tyrion/Yara/Greyworm. Maybe Randyll Tarly too...
I'm just mad that it might happen because I care for these characters and would prefer they get along and wreck the faces of other people
I'm sure a lot of others feel the same.
It does get boring arguing over the writing
I don't want Jon and Sansa feuding because I think that would entirely be drama borne of misunderstanding, and that's the most boring sort of drama. Instead it should be about Sansa becoming a true player in the Game, and Jon not wanting to be part of all that. It doesn't have to be a feud, or jealousy, or misunderstandings, it can just be him wanting to be the stubborn hero leader fighting the fantasy zombies, while she wants to be the one second guessing everyone, out thinking Littlefinger, etc, so they can have their differences that way. But in the end, I want to see her win, I want to see Littlefinger outmaneuvered, and in his desperation he tries a violent tactic to destroy Sansa, and that's when Jon comes in.
That way he can can get owned by both siblings, they can both get what they want, and the audience is satisfied without being put through annoying soap opera stuff.
That way he can can get owned by both siblings, they can both get what they want, and the audience is satisfied without being put through annoying soap opera stuff.
I want to see this scene next season.
Four members of the Stark household meet.
Arya: So what has everyone been up to?
Jon: I killed some whitewalkers, died, and came back to life. They're going to invade, and we can't stop them.
Bran: I became the three-eyed raven. I know how to stop the whitewalkers. I can see into the past. Jon, you're the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and our Aunt Lyanna, by the way.
Sansa: I was married to Tyrion Lannister and Ramsay Bolton. Ramsay raped me.
Arya: I went blind and learned to change my face and kill people. I baked some of Walder Frey's sons into a pie and killed him.
*everyone looks over at Arya suspiciously*
Four members of the Stark household meet.
Arya: So what has everyone been up to?
Jon: I killed some whitewalkers, died, and came back to life. They're going to invade, and we can't stop them.
Bran: I became the three-eyed raven. I know how to stop the whitewalkers. I can see into the past. Jon, you're the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and our Aunt Lyanna, by the way.
Sansa: I was married to Tyrion Lannister and Ramsay Bolton. Ramsay raped me.
Arya: I went blind and learned to change my face and kill people. I baked some of Walder Frey's sons into a pie and killed him.
*everyone looks over at Arya suspiciously*
grandjedi6
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Maybe. The show's pushing a warging Bran as the 3rd dragon rider but I wouldn't be surprised if Tyrion got his chance too at some point.
Awkward and Tyrion will try to alleviate the tension by telling a bad joke.
The same as his response when everyone else doesn't believe him. And it's not just the south, more than half his army doesn't believe him and they just declared him King. Currently the only true believers are the Nights Watch, the Wildlings and Jon's crew of Davos/Mel/Brienne/Sansa. Gotta give credit to the latter though: they are the only characters who believed Jon without running into a White Walker themselves.
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