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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 7 - Sundays on HBO
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DrForester
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IggyChooChoo
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We spent so much time wondering who was a secret Targaryen, we never noticed the secret Martin: https://twitter.com/broderick/status/900830447944466434
Ol' Georgie has the look of a psycho there.
Moff
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Longclaw
Houston, we have a solution.
This needs a quote at this point
wtf am i looking at
Not sure if you're in jest mode or serious, but I understood the "too little" reference to mean his stature, not his size. Like, he's a bastard from the north. Then again, he is a king.
Cause if it's his size, shouldn't she have said, he's "too small"?
chicken_pasta
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It really didn't need a quote. Really. Give me spoilers, but please keep the furries away.
Jesus, the accents would have been atrocious.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Perhaps Fantasy = English hadn't been established yet.
Rentahamster
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Says you! What furries wouldn't give to be able to warg!
Memento Mori
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While Dorne is clearly Spain, Westeros is based on the British Isles.
As has been said, Westeros is based on the UK, Martin took the inspiration from things like the War of the Roses, geographically:
North = Northern England
Wall = Hadrians Wall
Celts = Wildlings
Vale = Wales
South = London
Dorne is clearly Spain, so continental EU and Essos fills many of the Eurasian stereotypes.
the show even uses the above for casting, with the S1 Vale knight Ser Vardis having a hint of Welsh etc....
I see it now: The final scene of the show zooms in on Jon Snow's face while it slowly morphs into G.R.R.M sitting in a chair saying: "This is how it could have happened, but here's what really happened!" followed by an announcement of Winds of Winter's release.
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American English is closer to Old English than any of the British accents...
The British accent= fantasy trope is just that, a trope.
IggyChooChoo
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I've never heard that before. Got any details? I've heard that Appalachian accents are closer to Elizabethan ones, but that's it.
This is a clue reference, right? I love Clue. Nothing would make me happier than a TWoW release date announcement set to the Clue theme, with Tim Curry, of course.
Basically true, yeah. American English is closer to the pronunciations of Chaucer, or Shakespeare. American English pronunciation hasn't changed as much since the first settlers in America, compared to that same period in Britain. British English simply diverged a bit and changed over time, and given the obvious gap between the two countries no longer sound the same. British English added "u" to words like color, favor, etc, as an example.
DrForester
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No, the Clue ending is where Jon stands over the Night King's remains, tells his men to cut off Cersei and Jamie's heads, then turns to the camera and says, "I'm going home to sleep with my Aunt."
This is the best post in this thread.
IggyChooChoo
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Not to be difficult, but do you have sources on this? A cursory search on the original Canterbury Tales text shows Chaucer spelled it "colour"...
https://books.google.com/books?id=n...IODAI#v=onepage&q=chaucer text colour&f=false
I do remember a prof saying that some scholars think Appalachian accents might be closer to Elizabethan ones than RP is today, but I have never heard this thing about the generic contemporary American accent being closer to Middle English, or why the Brits drifted more, and would be interested in learning more about it. Apologies for derailing, and thanks!
DarkJediKnight
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Show Dorne is clearly middle east. The way they dress, their weapons, and their accents are very Arabian.
Dorne films in Spain tho.
The whole thing is sort of uncomfortable because the actual answer is Dorne is just kind of "swarthy".
Spain has a lot of Arabic influences after the Arabic invasion, but Dorne is still clearly Spain, because Dorne misses the most defining characteristic of Arabs, the desert.
It has to do with after the US gained its independence from England, the standard accent didn't change much(which is what many refer to as a "Midwest" accent today) while in England nobles changed their speaking habits to the modern English accents. Naturally the rest of the country followed.
http://www.pbs.org/speak/ahead/change/ruining/
Neither are particularly close to old English, but American English is slightly closer.
Also to note that both the US and the U.K. have dozens of accents and dialects that have changed since then. For example a Cajun dialect in Louisiana is a mixture of English and French due to it originally being a French territory. Most Americans can't understand it. 99% of American and English accents are understandable to all English speakers though.
This is the main reason I laugh at people complaining that people use the word "family members" because it doesn't fit the "time period" none of the accents do. It all comes down to Tolkien and Lewis being the fathers of modern fantasy and they both being British, wrote the novels as British men.
There is a desert in Dorne IIRC, I believe Arienne tries to cross it.
I remember this accent business coming up around Assassin's Creed III. The notion that somehow the red coats would all have a british RP accent and the revolutionaries wouldn't was preposterous.
The general american accent and british english were the same in the 1700s and RP developed in britain, while GenAm stayed mostly the same, especially in the midwest. The east coast cities took on aspects of RP to sound "fancy" because the RP was derived from everyone in britain trying to sound "fancy" as the elite started talking that way.
Fully rhotic speech is "original" modern english, RP is the accent.
Also, for fantasy it shouldn't matter, since middle english is so different. As long as the accents are consistent it shouldn't matter. **cough** Aiden **cough**
The general american accent and british english were the same in the 1700s and RP developed in britain, while GenAm stayed mostly the same, especially in the midwest. The east coast cities took on aspects of RP to sound "fancy" because the RP was derived from everyone in britain trying to sound "fancy" as the elite started talking that way.
Fully rhotic speech is "original" modern english, RP is the accent.
Also, for fantasy it shouldn't matter, since middle english is so different. As long as the accents are consistent it shouldn't matter. **cough** Aiden **cough**
It wouldn't be bad if each kingdom had its own accent.
Human Trashcan
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This is the best part about people who somehow consider British English or RP "real" English and AmE some bastardization. There's a lot of elitism around that still, especially if you're studying English in non-English countries.
This myth is put forth by the Royal family themselves
The North as Fargo -"Winter is coming, dontcha know"
The Targaryens of Valleyria
Iron Islanders with New York accents wearing Yankees hats
Riverlands can have some hillbilly twang
The Vale gets Boston'd - "Throw him out da Moon Du-wah!"
Westerlands get Colonel Sanders/Foghorn Leghorn with all their old uppity money
Dorne can keep Pedro Pascal's
Crownlands can be neutral I guess
Memento Mori
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Dorne like Spain also produces a lot of wine. Not much wine produced in the middle east.
Yes but they don't live in it.
Oh this is also a good point.
My biggest grip is the lack of ale, it only appears here and there when it should be everywhere.
I think it was mentioned with the witch incident in season 1. Maybe not. It's been a long time since I saw it.
It's not I rewatched that scene yesterday and Mirri Maz Durr stops before getting to the "womb quickening" part.
Seriously? That's incredibly terrible storytelling. I understand why book readers would nod along when she revealed that last week (it's easy to confuse canons), but were show watchers just baffled? That revelation came completely out of left field.
This video leads me to a different question, how did the British laugh diverge so much? Between Emelia and Adele I'm wondering if there's something in the water across the pond. Just the most grating laughs.
yeah i just browsed a couple pre-s7 threads on westeros.org and it seems it's never been brought up at all with the exception of a Beyond The Episode.
i thought it's been brought up often but that was just me mixing up book and show which i do all the time.
It seems no one remembers that Daenaerys mentioned her infertility to Khal Moro in the first episode of season 6, here:
https://youtu.be/Edumk2Y9YI4?t=4m13s
So yes, it has been mentioned in the past and not just in the last episode.
That's not much better from a storytelling perspective, it is still 5 seasons later.
Someone asked if it was mentioned before or if it was just revealed in last episode, I just answered his question, that's it.