You know, the funny thing about that movie is that despite that overwrought set piece armor that whoever stole for the Rhaegar fan art, that movie actually has really, really good costume design.
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You know, the funny thing about that movie is that despite that overwrought set piece armor that whoever stole for the Rhaegar fan art, that movie actually has really, really good costume design.
Man, they jumped that shark years ago.
We're all just sticking around for dragons and boobs now.
elrechazado
Banned
Aemon was that aegon's older brother
It has a hole in its neck to constantly add more fuel to the fire.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
seriously
he probably knew or hoped his bastard kids were dead
and obviously he was more concerned with the prophecy(How poetic to have the kid of the prophecy be named Aegon?) if he was ready to break allegiance to the south, him naming his kid the same name isn't farfetched.
chicken_pasta
Banned
Having dany and jon stay alive and reign together in peace. That's fanfic-tier. Martin would kill at least one of those. Maybe have Jon rule alone, with only Drogon and his child with Daenerys. Jon is basically Ice and Fire, anyway.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I feel a little underwhelmed at this season finale and this season as a whole. They could have connected the major beats more intelligently. The whole let's concoct a stupid plan to capture a wight and whoopsie now they have a dragon thing just seems....poorly constructed.
I'll make a prediction, Jon Aegon Snow Albus Severus Targaryen will pull a Pirates of the Caribean and become the new Night's King and then he will pull back the dead north of the wall. Daenerys will die and Dany/Jon's son will be raised by Tyrion as the new Kig of the Seven Kingdoms
Bounceounce
Member
Man the people in this thread really don't like Theon, other than maybe some overly long pauses his scene was the definitive best scene of the episode as far as I'm concerned (with Jaime covering his gold hand as a second).
Also if you actually thought Theon would die here then that's your fault, nothing indicated that whatsoever by any convention of storytelling or by where his arc has clearly been leading since book 2/season 2.
Theon is such a strong character from GRRM that even the adaption intrinsically gives his scenes a higher level of quality compared to the rest.
Also if you actually thought Theon would die here then that's your fault, nothing indicated that whatsoever by any convention of storytelling or by where his arc has clearly been leading since book 2/season 2.
Theon is such a strong character from GRRM that even the adaption intrinsically gives his scenes a higher level of quality compared to the rest.
Raeghal
He's honestly overstayed his welcome on the show, there is no point in keeping him around. Remember that he only showed up in three books, and was only a major character in two!
Theon will be beheaded by Stannis in The Winds of Winter and that'l be that. We got our redemption arc when he saved fArya, no need to keep this shit going.
brickarts295
Member
I'm dying XD
Basileus777
Member
Martin hasn't killed a significant ASOIAF character in like 16 years. He's only killed a few non-guest POV characters throughout his millions of words. So no, I don't think that is a given.
Moff
Member
I didn't like the scene because I do love theon and Alfie Allen has delivered some of the best performances in the show. But that here was just not good.
It's their winter coat.
For real. Last POV death was... fucken Quentyn I guess? Significant death before that was...?
I guess he did perma-kill Jon
because he'll never release a book with the resurrection
Don't forget that kid will marry Cersei's new daughter Joanna.
Basileus777
Member
Ned and Catelyn are the only main POV characters to die, and Cat didn't stay dead. GRRM's reputation for killing off characters is overstated.
chicken_pasta
Banned
Huh. You're kinda right. He didn't kill the Hound, and Jon is also coming back. Still, I don't expect a happy ending from him.
Gamer @ Heart
Member
In the show? Prophecy baby. Their time cometh.
In the book, the horn Mance was looking for to tear down the seals on the wall probably
That WAS their plan. Why else would they set a trap with dragon-slaying spears?
Lonewulfeus
Member
Cersei ain't having that kid, either she's lying or she'll be dead before giving birth. Even the show got the maggy the frog prophecy about her having three kids and the king having twenty.
chicken_pasta
Banned
I can see that happening in the book as well.
Moff
Member
Proof that he is indeed Azor Ahai
D&D ain't the North, they don't remember shit.
MagicWithEarvin
Member
Kind of glad he's still alive. Hopefully they can redeem his character next season.
He isn't gonna die until he kills Cersei. They may even die together.
Bounceounce
Member
Nope, it's simple
Maybe Theon doesn't have a clear arc on the show which makes it seem as though they're treading water a bit,but this:
"Remember that he only showed up in three books, and was only a major character in two!" literally makes no sense.
Theon is a main character, he only had PoVs in two books because those are the only two that required him to be a PoV, while Thrones had constant set up from the first chapter on for what his character would come to be and he's the main face of a major house.
Theon wasn't in books 3 and 4 (only talked about in them) because George had no reason to show his torture unlike the show where that was needed to keep him relevant and show what we wouldn't get in his internal monologue.
Jaime was only in two books as a point of view aside from a single PoV in Dance, that doesn't make him less important but people love to throw that ball at Theon.
Theon is one of the biggest movers in the seires, his actions in book 2 is what paved the way for the Bolton takeover, pushed Bran's plot into motion, caused Robb to seek Jeyne for comfort which lead to the Red Wedding,and caused more in regards to the Kingsmoot and beyond.
There's nothing to be dismissed about that, not to mention book 5 content.
The idea that Stannis will execute Theon is laughable, it's not happening, his arc has a long way to go before he gets the sweet release of death (if even that).
There's character development that needs to be done (such as fully excepting the murder of the millers boys which he has yet to do),reunions (people have been theorizing about his reunion with Jon for years), he'll probably play a role in the taking back of Winterfell and has valuable info on Ramsay he's yet to relay to Stannis, probably going to meet back up with Dagmer Cleftjaw who's still holding Tohhrens Square, and so much more.
Bran's just going to do some magic mumnojumbo to do something that ends up needing Theon to stay alive longer, he's not going to be sacrificed, it's laid out so clearly that I can't fathom why anyone has been expecting his death in the show or books.
Edit: not to mention that Theon was recently talked about by George as being a foil to Jon and how his arc is struggling through to be a hero, or Ramsay being specifically created for him because he "needed something to bite Theon in the ass", and I doubt all that was just for the jump off of Winterfell
RedAssedApe
Banned
RIP Lord Baelish. I almost cried when they started listing off his accomplishments, just reminding us what he was and what they turned him into, a joke.
F
ran the best damn whore house in westeros
Bounceounce
Member
There was never a chance of him dying this season.
When that kid is born and it looks exactly like Moon Boy Jaime's gonna strangle her with the umbilical cord.
Pretty much describes how I've felt about the show since House of the Undying.
Finale didn't do much for me. Better than I would have expected considering the rest of the season, but it all still just feels rushed and events have no real weight to them. The zombie dragon breath was about as well done as I could expect, but the fall of The Wall itself failed to excite.
I gotta say though, the complaints about Jon being named Aegon are classic book purist derangement. And I feel like it'll go similarly to "hold the door," where initially a number of people were acting like it's so stupid and there's no way that happens in the books, followed by the gradual realization that, yeah, the show didn't just make up such a specific explanation for Hodor's state, and once they realize it's obviously a part of theoretical future books they mysteriously became a lot less critical of it.
Ever since the House of the Undying, book readers have been speculating that the character which Vision Rhaegar refers to as Aegon and says that "his is the song of ice and fire," is in fact Jon and not the other Aegon. So it was always a possibility that whatever prophecies he was into led him to naming two sons the same thing. I don't even see how this is a debate, unless people really just haven't read the books in a long time and don't remember this stuff.
I gotta say though, the complaints about Jon being named Aegon are classic book purist derangement. And I feel like it'll go similarly to "hold the door," where initially a number of people were acting like it's so stupid and there's no way that happens in the books, followed by the gradual realization that, yeah, the show didn't just make up such a specific explanation for Hodor's state, and once they realize it's obviously a part of theoretical future books they mysteriously became a lot less critical of it.
Ever since the House of the Undying, book readers have been speculating that the character which Vision Rhaegar refers to as Aegon and says that "his is the song of ice and fire," is in fact Jon and not the other Aegon. So it was always a possibility that whatever prophecies he was into led him to naming two sons the same thing. I don't even see how this is a debate, unless people really just haven't read the books in a long time and don't remember this stuff.
Jon: "You know Dany, we really are the song of ice and fire."
WrenchNinja
Member
Boatsex lived up to the hype
jobrro
Member
I loved the finale.
Especially the first half, where people with connections from the past were giving each other dirty looks and occasionally exchanging actual conversation every now and then.
I've been watching since S1 but have never re-watched (or re-read, given the thread) but this episode sort of made me want to go back once we have a date for next season.
Especially the first half, where people with connections from the past were giving each other dirty looks and occasionally exchanging actual conversation every now and then.
I've been watching since S1 but have never re-watched (or re-read, given the thread) but this episode sort of made me want to go back once we have a date for next season.
Maybe the reason the remaining books take so long is because they're 5000 pages each
