At this point logic has been thrown out the window in the name of mindless entertainment. Suspension of disbelief is mandatory and no deep analysis is required.
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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 7 - Sundays on HBO
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At this point logic has been thrown out the window in the name of mindless entertainment. Suspension of disbelief is mandatory and no deep analysis is required.
They did what all armies do. They took food from people along the way.
I am in no way writing off the books by saying they aren't perfect. I enjoy them very much. But they are to literature what GoT is to television, no more, no less. And arguably the book side of things is getting dragged out by GRRM's self-indulgence as much as the show is being wrapped up hurriedly. Personally 7 seasons is enough for any show for me, so I'm glad they're coming to a conclusion swiftly. There are very few shows that run for as long as GoT and remain entertaining.
It was first year college level writing.
I didn't think it had. I thought the weights could just be killed by smashing them to bits. Apparently not. I mean effectively they can be, as spitting them in two or decapitation them makes them relatively useless.
Laplasakos
Member
I was wondering the same. I mean she gave the nod. Did she said to him before the meeting that if she nods he just grabs his sword and only if she says '' kill'' he starts killing? Probably a poorly executed scene. The Mountain was pretty much useless this season. Only thing he did was taking 2 steps and grabbing his sword. In the next season he will probably fight with his brother but this is so predictable. I was expecting more.
Psychoward
Banned
The same army from the person who freed them and all slaves and is trying her best to not seem like a conqueror?
And yes I've gotta love how they somehow grew in size after getting slaughtered at Casterly Rock.
Lol good to know mr. Martin.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
I disagree with you about the comments about the comparisons, but do not wish to seek an argument based on much subjectiveness.
That being said, I do find your comment about 7 seasons being enough for any show and here's why. Wouldn't it depend on the length of the show episodes and how many episodes there were per season? Game of Thrones arguably is on the short-scale when it comes to episodes. It normally has only ten per season, except Seasons 7 & 8, while most dramas are actually 13 episodes per season. There is also the fact if we compare it to network television, which usually has around 20 episodes. That further complicates the argument around 7 Seasons being enough, since at that point they could have double the number of episodes Game of Thrones has. However, I do see your point, as it all depends on the story they are trying to tell and if that particular show appears to be dragging it out for too long. Which could be said with the amount time it takes Dany to get to Westeros.
Oldest Snake
Member
So where does S07 rank for everyone now that it's over?
Save a couple of neat sequences this was probably the second worst season for me, so 1>3>4=2>6>7>5. Literally all that saved it was the ending of 'Spoils of War' and 'Beyond the Wall'. I consider 'Hardhome' to be better than both of them, but S07's low points weren't quite as low as S05 so it just nudges it out.
Save a couple of neat sequences this was probably the second worst season for me, so 1>3>4=2>6>7>5. Literally all that saved it was the ending of 'Spoils of War' and 'Beyond the Wall'. I consider 'Hardhome' to be better than both of them, but S07's low points weren't quite as low as S05 so it just nudges it out.
Personally I'm annoyed that Cersei is still kicking it. Honestly not much seems to have changed overall. Dany came to Westeros and has done...nothing, besides shacking up with her nephew.
How do you know LF wasn't there? He is known for lurking in the shadows and peeping through walls.
This show is full of that. Did the stark kids talk beforehand that they were going to have a mock trial? Or did Sansa really make Arya think for a second she was going to jail or kill her? Same with all the bannermen, cuz none of them objected despite there being no evidence. (An aside that the idea of someone in the stark family just slitting someone's throat after a farce of a trial is pretty friggen dumb.)
When exactly did cersei have time to discuss with during "hey so when they bring out this creature that we don't believe exists, you're going to make a scene and leave but actually go get the golden company while we go north, actually, I won't even agree to help at first it'll take a second conversation and then I'll agree to go north for dramatic effect. Genius!"
Outside of the first watch where things unfold I'ma narratively "shocking" fashion, the characters actions and motivations don't hold up internally.
The writing is getting so sloppy and it makes this shit really hard to enjoy imo. I mean I'll enjoy seeing an ice dragon and shit, but anything not that is a huge eye roll.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
When Bran says that he "remembers everything", he must be exaggerating since he didn't remember Rhaegar's and Lyanna's marriage until Sam told him about it.
Yeah that scene was so stupid lol. "I know everything, oh hey Sam why are you here?"
Such a shoehorned in scene.
Yeah I hated this part. Bran can see everything the plot needs him to see and nothing more.
demosthenes
Member
It sounds better than saying I'm sitting through thousands of years of history for everyone.
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
Quick question that I'm sure has been answered hundreds of times. Do the writers for the show have to follow some sort of guideline from the book writer for these last two seasons?
I think he knew he was coming but the reason why he was coming might not something he got.
Ocarina_117
Banned
No. It's their own work, for better and worse.
Atraveller
Banned
He probably didn't know where to look or what exactly to look for, that's how I reconcile it anyways.
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
Thank you. Does the writer plan to finish his book series?
TheOctodad
Member
Couldn't Cersi have just token Euron, "during the meeting, find an excuse to break with me and claim you're going home."?
I honestly think you're creating a problem there where there isn't one.
JadedWriter
Member
Yeah I'll admit that that plot line could have used a couple of more eps or at least scenes for it to make more sense. A smug snaky fuck light Littlefinger needed a better death. Ramsay got a better death scene than Littlefinger.
peteykirch
Member
Bran with the "I want you to tell me why you're here, so I know if you are lying or not because I can see all" gambit.
ChaosZeroX
Banned
Well the writers don't have any source material to go on anymore lol
TheOctodad
Member
Not true. Martin has stated he gave them an outline, how it ended, and has consulted on some details.
Ultimately it is up to the showmakers to decide, but they do have guidance.
Psychoward
Banned
The ending of Beyond the Wall was perhaps the worst part of the season lol. But yes it's the second worst for me, ahead of S5.
You got jokes!
Moff
Member
He does, yes.
Cpt.Underpants
Member
Betting on Jaime bringing along Sandor down south when the war is not in their favor. Not enough folks to counter the threat in the North.
Psychoward
Banned
The prevailing theory is that Tyrion made a deal with Cersei for her kid to be the next hair after Dany dies and now he's spooked that Dany is gonna get knocked up.
We wouldn't be here in the first place if he had actually finished the damn books. I mean it's a nice dream that he will be done afterwards but he's not exactly young and he's writing a bunch of spinoffs, both TV and books.
TheOctodad
Member
Jamie, Sandor , Arya, Brianne is my guess.
Ocarina_117
Banned
Man there's receipts in both this thread an no book thread.
The ending is very much D&D with a few similarities on what George has planned.
Psychoward
Banned
Sure would be nice if Arya actually tried to kill Cersei again.
Why have euron at the meeting at all?
I'm not creating any problems, the scenes are just not fleshed out and don't make any internal logic haha.
Psychoward
Banned
Because it gives Dany the illusion that Euron and the iron fleet aren't a threat anymore. That was actually one of the highlights of the episode imo, even if we've gotta deal with the teleporting armada for another season.
Human Trashcan
Banned
Because they didn't show it? We can speculate all the live-long day but the show can shows us what it wants to and if they don't show it it makes no sense to assume it was there. That's how storytelling works.
The critic James Poniewozik on twitter said it best: The whole story in WF seemed to be to fool the viewer and not any characters on the show.
The Greek Freak
Member
Idk why they are in a rush, I'd be shocked if they ever have even a mediocre network show that runs three seasons level success after this.
Obviously everything I'm saying is subjective, and it's largely down to how long something can maintain my interest. But I think there's an argument to be made that every medium has a sweet spot for length. Films for instance, often start to feel 'baggy' as they crawl towards 3 hours. That's not a hard rule, but I think beyond that pacing becomes a concern, and a movie has to work harder to justify the viewer's time.
I actually think much 20 season network TV is too long, and many shows there would be improved with much of the filler chopped out. I loved Breaking Bad for instance, one of my favourite shows ever, but there were certainly points where I thought it could have been trimmed down and got to the point much quicker.
I think in some ways trying to fit book storylines in (which often currently have no canon conclusion) has given GoT a bit of a 'front-heavy' pacing problem, which now contrasts with the 'thinning out' of this run to the end in a slightly unbalanced way. TV usually works best when it's studying characters in-depth, and the breadth of the GoT universe makes it hard to really treat everything and everyone satisfactorily. Despite this awkwardness, it's remained entertaining and intriguing television,for me at least, and given my previously stated lack of patience, I'm just giving credit where I think it's due. Many more years of GoT, and it's hard to see how it wouldn't just become stale. It's time to draw a line as best they can.
Ugh. People complaining about the Unsullied army NOT teleporting. Sheesh.
Psychoward
Banned
Yeah and like a later reply said, planning LF's downfall could have been a better way to handle the plotline, but no. Pointless transparent misdirection for no reason.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
I actually think it ended up better than the main plot of the series. Seeing it as some Xanatos gambit from Arya to out Little Finger leading to his public execution at least had a pay-off.
The whole North/South plot revolved around people being idiots and risking everything to appease Cersi when she'd obviously betray them.
DrForester
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I liked the Winterfell stuff because of the payoff.
Yes, they went overboard with the misdirection to the audience, but I had no problem with the way Arya behaved. The only thing they really left out for the sake of audience misdirection was Sansa immediately knowing Littlefinger was the one who found the letter.
Yes, they went overboard with the misdirection to the audience, but I had no problem with the way Arya behaved. The only thing they really left out for the sake of audience misdirection was Sansa immediately knowing Littlefinger was the one who found the letter.
Well, LF got fooled. Fooling the audience was entirely intentional. Sansa's "power" is political manipulation, which she learned from Cersei and LF himself. Not easy to show on screen.
D&D chose to allow the audience to experience this from LF's POV. His scheming and spying has been well established through seven seasons.