Psychoward
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Also gotta love Sam throwing Gilly under the bus by saying he was the one who read about the annulment lol
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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 7 - Sundays on HBO
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I've been thinking (yeah I know, sorry). Early in the show incest is bad, Brann gets thrown out a window because he sees Jamie and Cersei having sex. I don't remember if it is LF and Varys or Ned who sends out pamphlets/ravens about their incestuous relationship trying to discredit them.
Is the problem the incest or is the problem that the kids are not Roberts?
The reason I'm asking is how are D&D going to deal with Jon and Danys incest, how are the rest of the realm react when they find out that they are related?
The realm didn't really like that the Queen were fucking her brother, is it okay now because both Dany and Jon are Targaryens?
Were are the consequences? What is going on...
Is the problem the incest or is the problem that the kids are not Roberts?
The reason I'm asking is how are D&D going to deal with Jon and Danys incest, how are the rest of the realm react when they find out that they are related?
The realm didn't really like that the Queen were fucking her brother, is it okay now because both Dany and Jon are Targaryens?
Were are the consequences? What is going on...
hydrophilic attack
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everyone in westeros pretends they hate incest but in reality they find it really hot and seek out look-alikes of relatives in brothels
Interesting.
I would more see Daney stabbing Jon in the heart again.
rocketskates
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They're Targs. For the people not familiar or whatever, I'm sure they'll give some backstory or a history lesson on why it was a Targ thing in the past.
H.Cornerstone
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It was two fold I think:
1. it meant that Joffrey/Tommen/Myrcella weren't roberts and therefore bastards and not heirs to the throne.
2. Incest was frowned upon in Westeros and only the Targaryen's practiced/were allowed to practice it.
Cornballer
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Huge numbers for last night and this season of GoT:
- EW: Game of Thrones finale is the most-watched episode ever
- EW: Game of Thrones finale is the most-watched episode ever
- NY Mag: Game of Thrones Season Seven Smashes Yet Another Record for HBO
Haha, it's like the medieval pornhub then.
Ewwww.
Sure, it was a thing in the past but it also drove a lot of the Targs mad, will the Realm take that risk again?
1. Sure, I get that most of the problem stemmed from Robert never produced an heir.
2. The question is if they will be fine with it again.
I don't know why I'm going of on this tangent, I know that GRRM will do the same thing with Dany and Jon, I've known that for some time now, but it still creeps me out. The books starts with people getting mad about incest, The Lannisters almost looses their hold on Westeros because of it, Brann gets pushed out of a window and a war starts that throws the realm into chaos. But when it's Dany and Jon it's all cool, they're hot, and Targs so incest is all cool again.
electroshockwave
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Both. The kids are bastards born of incest with no claim to the throne. It was Stannis who spread the word. I think it's a little early to say there's no consequence for Jon and Dany's incest. It will likely mess Jon up when he's told.
I've been thinking, Bran is an all powerful greenseer now. He can see into events of the past at will, at least from what we observe. I believe that Bran's ultimate purpose now is to go back to the time of The Long Night to see for himself how the people of Westeros defeated the Others. There has to be some big reveal as to the motives of the White Walkers and the resolution of The Long Night in order for Dany and Jon to win this fight. There's no wall between them now. I think that the White Walkers have the upper hand, and they will only add to their army the further south they go. I doubt pure force will be the answer to them.
He's like Trump, keeps failing upwards until he eventually sits the Iron Throne.
I'm sure there would be consequences in the book (if we get TWoW), surely it will mess with Jons mind when he hears that, but if this season is anything to go by the next season will be more set pieces, more action and even less character development.
JadedWriter
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Theon also seemed to have gotten some sort of power up bonus with each kick to his non penis.
Well that was definitely a finale. It's Aegon then. Too bad the reveal is one long stream of exposition, it needed Jo...Aegon there for the impact. Now I wonder if that's the third 'major' thing D&D learned from George, it probably is.
Yeah I'm going back to read the airtime reactions on both threads now, it's the best thing
Yeah I'm going back to read the airtime reactions on both threads now, it's the best thing
StopMakingSense
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Did Theon get castrated though? He got decocked, sure.
After the fight I would say its safe to say the beans were lost along with the frank.
JadedWriter
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Didn't Ramsay mail his dick in box to Theon's dad and sister?
badcrumble
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That episode definitely had some stupid stuff in it (no dick as a superpower, a culmination to this season's huge Littlefinger downgrade), but I still really appreciate that it leaned really heavily on performances from the actors (most notably, the best Lannister scenes we've had in ages). Outside of the massive effects sequence at the end, it felt very much like the sort of season finale we'd have gotten several seasons ago, in a good way.
The compromises the writers have made to deliver exactly the final season they want have made it pretty clearly no longer a prime quality television drama, though.
The compromises the writers have made to deliver exactly the final season they want have made it pretty clearly no longer a prime quality television drama, though.
hydrophilic attack
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StopMakingSense
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Castrated = balls.
The Elite
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I think we know the answer now.
StopMakingSense
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Fair enough lol.
Well they are Targs, so no one will bat an eye besides Jon/Aegon. Dany has already imagined marrying her nephew Aegon, so that won't matter much to her. What will be her problem is finding out her "birthright" is actually her lover's birthright and she will have to deal with that. Jon/Aegon won't want the Iron Throne, but many others will such as the North and the Reach (Sam is inevitably going to become Warden if the South) and probably the Vale as well.
That is going to be the consequences, Jon/Aegon was raised a Stark, so he isn't going as accepting of the incest. Dany is going to have to deal with her own thoughts about him being the rightful heir to the throne, and many great houses pushing for Jon to sit it. Either way their child will be the heir though.
I have said this before, but I believe Dany dies in childbirth, imo her entire arc has been giving Jon a dragon and heir. I think that she is Nissa Nissa and Jon will plunge Longclaw into her to save her from the pain and turning it into Lightbringer. This was foreshadowed earlier this season when Mel told Dany that she has a role to play but basically said that she wasn't TPWP.
But god dammit we gotta wait a year to find out.
Also one of the spinoffs will probably be about their son who as king of Westeros decides to conquer Essos as "the stallion who mounts the world".
hydrophilic attack
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if you lose your stem but keep your roots could a doctor still extract your sperm and make you a father
I guess I'll just have to accept that they are Targs and that's that.
Sam will read about it in an old dusty tome and make it happen.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I consider Jon and Dany both dying to be predictable enough that they don't actually do it and instead make literally everyone else eat it instead and they have a smoldering ruin to rule over.
StopMakingSense
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I actually know this! Technically yes, but not really. (Had a surgery that could effect ejaculation, and was told to look into freezing my sperm, I didn't, and ended up with said side effect (would still orgasm but not ejaculate) for a while))
Human body is weird! The brain controls all sorts of weird stuff!
ClosingADoor
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Well, that was disappointing. When it started out with the Unsullied and Dothraki outside the walls, it seemed like shit was going to go down. But I guess not. Meeting went, people did stupid things and everyone walked away an idiot.
badcrumble
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I'd definitely much rather see the Night King business wrapped up in S8E5 and have S8E6 saved for resolving the human relationships and the political situation. Cersei better outlast the Night King on this show because she's much more interesting.
Really? I've always like it. Would add more between the rift between Tywin and Aerys.
Given GRRM's praise of the scouring of the shire, there is little doubt in my mind that the Others are taken care of before the finale.
I think most people rationalized it as it just being what Targs do.
Dany: "No, don't put it there. Daario told me I couldn't get pregnant putting it there any more but I could if he put it in the other hole."
Jon: "Did you ever think he may have been an unreliable source of information?"
Dany: "Son of a bitch!"
Tyrion thinking to himself: "She really is that dumb."
StevePharma
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I agree but on the one hand I hope for a "bad ending" where everything was futile, humanity loses and the cycle begins anew, a la Mass Effect's 50.000 year extinction cycles, with the two gods puppeteering the world.
Never gonna happen though.
SparkyFrog
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Yep, even Starks had cousins marry each other, accotding to World of Ice and Fire, so it really shouldn't be a big deal for anyone.
Oldest Snake
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FTFY.
Seriously, people have been shipping these two since the first season because he was the hot young guy and she was totally the rightful Queen and they should be married and be King & Queen together and have babies.
Yes but it weakens the rift between Tyrion & Tywin, which is far more important than Tywin & Aerys.
rocketskates
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Nah, if we're gonna get any other secret Targs it's gonna be Young Griff.I wonder if Tyrion secretly being a Targaryion will pop up in the show. Probably cut from the series as theres enough surprise Targaryions and one less dragon to ride.
I'll just imagine the imp riding viseryon ala Falcor in my mind
That ship has long since sailed.
There is no way they introduce fAegon when Jon was just revealed to be Aegon, hell, there was a guy confused about who Rhaegar was in the other thread, imagine the confusion if they introduce another "son" of Rhaegar named Aegon.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
it doesn't, really. tywin is still the only father tyrion ever knew, just as ned is the only father jon had.
Rhaegar may have been his father, but Ned was his daddy.
Also after the staredowns this episode I will be disappointed if there is no Ghost and Rhaegal staredown. Bring on the fan service!
John Dunbar
correct about everything
ghost will be the third dragon rider (rhaegal is actually female) and we will get wolf dragons.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
I kind of love how the reveal that Lyanna and Rhaegar were in love and eloped basically puts the entire ASOIAF saga as an extended "and that's why you always leave a note!" lesson from Arrested Development.
Think about it, if Lyanna just told her dad and brothers that she was running away to marry Rhaegar no one would have gone down to KL to get murdered by crazy ol Aerys and then Robert's rebellion wouldn't have kicked off.
Think about it, if Lyanna just told her dad and brothers that she was running away to marry Rhaegar no one would have gone down to KL to get murdered by crazy ol Aerys and then Robert's rebellion wouldn't have kicked off.
Yes please.
AcademicSaucer
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Vampirolol
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Overall this season was marginally better than the fifth, thanks to this great episode. But still, the show isn't nowhere near the quality of the first seasons.
DarkJediKnight
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Maybe we'll find out why she did it? Lyanna wasn't stupid. The fact that she knew Robert would kill Jon/Aegon tells me she's aware of her actions.
Robert would have come after Rhaegar regardless because he would have seen Rhaegar's action of giving the blue roses to Lyanna as the disrespecting his honour.
Bethroted is basically a formal engagement to be married. She was Roberts. Period.
The war would have happened, because the Targaryan prince started it and brought dishonour to House Stark and Baratheon. The was began at Harrenhal. Remember that Rhaegar was planning on overthrowing Aerys.
Aerys just made it much worse, much faster.
I think Rhaegar's plan was that he would bring his child and the Maester to King's Landing and say that the marriage happened, and here is the rightful heir and overthrow his father.