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Upscalers, CRTs, PVMs & RGB: Retro gaming done right!
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sixteen-bit
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I think you mean Bandridge
angelic
Banned
Ive found it interesting putting the 360 into mine, the scaler is very different to the internal one...playing edf 2025 set on the machine to 720p and 1080p on the FM gives really sharp results, maybe too little AA for some but i liked it.
Also 480p lets you apply scanlines which is quite fun too.
Also 480p lets you apply scanlines which is quite fun too.
Friend of Sonic
Member
Yes.
Shadow Hog
Member
I'm still annoyed the Bandridge switches are no longer on eBay. Hell, they're not even in stock on Amazon.co.uk, and I don't think they could ship to the US even if they were.
sixteen-bit
Member
Did a popular youtube game personality clue people in resulting in a feeding frenzy? Wild how they dried up so fast.
I got mine from amazon.co.uk and I'm in Canada.
theSlacker
Member
Hey, but now that there is no longer an easy switch to get, maybe some enthusiast will start making ones of better quality and selling them.
Not going to happen.
If I had the skills and resources to do this, I'd build and supply for gaf in a heartbeat.
theSlacker
Member
Think the hard part with something like that would be the housing for it tbh. In a few years with better 3d printing maybe not, but it is something you need actual unique manufacturing for. Unlike making custom cables and what not where you are using readily available parts.
baphomet
Member
Yeh, I've already decided to get a 3d printer when it becomes feasible, just not sure how far away that is.
Already happened.
But the waitlist is so longgggg. I wish he were a Gaffer. I'm not feeling that forum.
baphomet
Member
Yea, they're pretty nice though. They wouldn't be hard to build of you were good with designing circuit boards. They're fairly simple.
I would still need at least 2, and possibly 3 to hook everything up at once. At some point its just not worth all the room that stuff takes up.
theSlacker
Member
Already happened.
For once I'm happy that someone shoved my foot in my mouth. That thing looks great. Now to wait until it isn't just on a forum and is sold on ebay or something, like how the SCART > BNC cables started...
Shadow Hog
Member
Shame it appears to be powered. It's the fact that the Bandridge was a non-powered switch (at least, one of the variants) that appealed to me, since I'm short on plugs.Already happened.
russian box
Member
Hey Hey Hey,
So I'm trying to record original consoles but I still want this CRT, scanline, TV look to them.
I got one of them Scart to HDMI scalers,
It does a nice job for the price, You can see some parts where its de-interlacing a SNES as the pixels its moving go a little blurry
but its far better than anything else I've tried (without getting a more expensive upscaler)
anyway I'm happy with what it can do, but the output video is plan and widescreen,
So I've been trying to recreate some effects in premiere pro to make it look better.
I Have also been trying to split the video out to go into a TV,
I live in Europe so I use scart and have found one of these work quite well at giving me a passthrough with a composite out,
The only problem is getting a good quality one
(the one in the link is NOT a good quality one and is too wide for the upscaler as the power cable is next to the scart in port)
as adding this extra link to the chain degrades the quality of the recording, not a lot but you can notice it.
Heres what I have so far with a SNES
What do you guys think? any changes? I still need to sort out a border.
also getting the width right. I know that some people like the wide stretched look from how they played it even tho it should be more 4:3.
The upscaler I'm using gives me a 1080p wide video from the SNES.
Here you can see what was done to it
http://imgur.com/a/dQOku#0
along with fullsize images of each change
I'm also looking to do other consoles, I really like some of the CRT shaders, ones that give that rgb pixel look from a TV.
But I'm not really sure how to do them, hence why I'm showing you guys and asking for help
so, any ideas how can I recreate some of these shaders in premiere?
This is a slight crosspost with the RETROARCH thread as we're both after the same end results.
So I'm trying to record original consoles but I still want this CRT, scanline, TV look to them.
I got one of them Scart to HDMI scalers,
It does a nice job for the price, You can see some parts where its de-interlacing a SNES as the pixels its moving go a little blurry
but its far better than anything else I've tried (without getting a more expensive upscaler)
anyway I'm happy with what it can do, but the output video is plan and widescreen,
So I've been trying to recreate some effects in premiere pro to make it look better.
I Have also been trying to split the video out to go into a TV,
I live in Europe so I use scart and have found one of these work quite well at giving me a passthrough with a composite out,
The only problem is getting a good quality one
(the one in the link is NOT a good quality one and is too wide for the upscaler as the power cable is next to the scart in port)
as adding this extra link to the chain degrades the quality of the recording, not a lot but you can notice it.
Heres what I have so far with a SNES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD10UGZOdBc
What do you guys think? any changes? I still need to sort out a border.
also getting the width right. I know that some people like the wide stretched look from how they played it even tho it should be more 4:3.
The upscaler I'm using gives me a 1080p wide video from the SNES.
Here you can see what was done to it
http://imgur.com/a/dQOku#0
along with fullsize images of each change
I'm also looking to do other consoles, I really like some of the CRT shaders, ones that give that rgb pixel look from a TV.
But I'm not really sure how to do them, hence why I'm showing you guys and asking for help
so, any ideas how can I recreate some of these shaders in premiere?
This is a slight crosspost with the RETROARCH thread as we're both after the same end results.
russian box
Member
I've found issues with emulating, input lag and graphical problems, hence why I want to use original hardware
Yeah the images does tend to wobble up and down when moving, hmmmm
also Its not something I'm doing so I can't exactly take offence.
It doesn't seem as bad at 50fps but you do notice it
IrishNinja
Member
Already happened.
ooo...how much?
$180 I think plus a long ass wait list... Last I checked, he wasn't accepting allowing anymore reservations.
I stick to this method simply for the fact that I suck at cable management.
I don't know how people do it. Lol
The powered thing most likely means it's an automatic switch, which I like very much because I'm lazy like that.
baphomet
Member
Its also powered off the scart cable as long as it has the 5v connected. The ac adapter is in case you want to use nonpowered cables.
BONKERS
Member
AFIRemember he was selling them on Shmups and Assembler. Both forums I can vouch for personally. Tons of positive experiences on both.
https://www.assemblergames.com/foru...utomatic-8-1-SCART-RGB-switch&highlight=SCART
Words cannot describe how much I disagree with this.
However, whatever works for you /shrug
Strech it to you desired aspect ratio. You won't get rid off those borders, so strech the image until they disappear (while maintain the 4:3 ratio, of course. Those black borders, for obvious reasons, you will not get removed).
I prefer the old games in 4:3, too. Although some work well with a streched widescreen look.
Here's a video from Rayman 2 (PS1 and N64):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tD3CCQoqaA
Captured via RGB to HDMI. The scaler sent the signal in 720p, and streched, to the PC. I cropped (since there are black borders around the image no matter what resolution or aspect ratio) and reduced the resolution accordingly post-process.
This is how the signal gets through:
You see those very black borders you got.
And cropped:
I've been doing just that the last 2 days... Holly shit! Reorganizing my entire catalogue, modifying my shelves, rerouting my AV connections... It's like I'm launching a space shuttle. lol
I think it would be nice. Wecan share any tips or tricks for organizing all of our stuff.
D.Lo
Member
I'm in. But will need to reorganiise to make room for my second Famicom (dedicated to FDS) and Mark III first!
Don't change a thing! I'm not gonna post mine if people are gonna judge my messy small apartment lol. I need some company
Huggers
Member
Don't change a thing! I'm not gonna post mine if people are gonna judge my messy small apartment lol. I need some company
Don't worry bro I got you. Mine is a proper disaster area. You go in the modern setups thread and everyone's home looks like 50 Cents gaff
Does anybody have any suggestions on what machine would be best to run mame with a scart out connection?
I have an Astro city arcade machine shell with a monitor in it that has a scart connection.
At the moment I am using an original old Xbox to run mame but I don't think it really has the power to run cps2 stuff reliably. Playing super street fighter II turbo, it's important to have a reliable frame rate or it's just frustrating.
The good thing about the Xbox is that it has scart and works with a keyboard encoder that I've got wired up to the sticks and buttons.
Maybe the best option is just to build a supergun?
I have an Astro city arcade machine shell with a monitor in it that has a scart connection.
At the moment I am using an original old Xbox to run mame but I don't think it really has the power to run cps2 stuff reliably. Playing super street fighter II turbo, it's important to have a reliable frame rate or it's just frustrating.
The good thing about the Xbox is that it has scart and works with a keyboard encoder that I've got wired up to the sticks and buttons.
Maybe the best option is just to build a supergun?
D.Lo
Member
Haha yeah, all the glass shelves, $4000 speakers and 70" TVs. I quit looking at the setup threads because it was like an episode of cribs.
Ban Puncher
Member
Already happened.
I would step over my own mother for a JP-21 Pin switch box.
baphomet
Member
I believe he also makes them in jp21.
He does.
This Ikea cube became spare this week and i've been looking for something to sit the PVM on. Fits perfect. I've got some casters sitting around somewhere so i'm gonna fix them to the bottom so i can wheel it about when i need to put it away. Will add another shelf on the bottom so i can have 2 consoles set up at once and attach a 4 plug power cord.
sixteen-bit
Member
Heh, that's clever. Reminds me of this throwback.
This Ikea cube became spare this week and i've been looking for something to sit the PVM on. Fits perfect. I've got some casters sitting around somewhere so i'm gonna fix them to the bottom so i can wheel it about when i need to put it away. Will add another shelf on the bottom so i can have 2 consoles set up at once and attach a 4 plug power cord.
Is that a 20" or a 14"?
sixteen-bit
Member
It looks like a 14" thanks to the AV fami for size context.
Ban Puncher
Member
So I says; "Yeah? You want that money? Come and find it! 'Cause I don't know where it is, ya baloney! You... make me... wanna... wretch..."
I was considering doing it but I don't think my setup is awesome enough to be the thread starter lol
If you're already ready to go then I'd say go right ahead.
Currently taking photos as we speak. Question: should I put stuff on my displays or just leave them off?
Didn't someone a few pages back offer to make this if demand was high enough? I PM'd but got no response.
Huggers
Member
Mine is pretty bollocks but I'll start it anyway. Just taking some snaps now too. Monitors on I'd say
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