Ban Puncher
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I wish I could locate a nice 14" PVM so I can toss my stupidly huge & inconvenient 80cm Trinitron but it seems like overpriced 9" monitors are all I can find.
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Upscalers, CRTs, PVMs & RGB: Retro gaming done right!
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Huggers
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Ugh maybe taking pictures during noon time was a bad idea, so much overexposure. Oh well, don't feel like waiting.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=153167015#post153167015
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=153167015#post153167015
MikeHaggar
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where can i buy a quality rgb-21 cable for my super famicom for a good price?
retro_console_accessories on eBay is what I use (As do many in this thread, I suspect, and her work is awesome. Phenomenal cables for pretty much any system under the sun, available in EURO SCART or JP-21.
MikeHaggar
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hmm... i found her, but it does't appear that she has anything listed on ebay for sale. i'll keep an eye out. thanks for the heads up!
theSlacker
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This guy sells good SCART > BNC cables of all types. Go with SCART, not JP21. If/when you end up getting a framemeister then just get the SCART > JP21 adapter for it.
MikeHaggar
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why should i go with scary instead of jp21? my understanding is that the framemeister comes with the adapter i need to go from jp21 into the framemeister. does scary have an advantage over jp21? also, this is for a super famicom. not sure if that makes a difference.
baphomet
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If you ever want to buy a switch you should go with scart.
Bar81
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Well, unless you're dumb enough to piss away money on Selecty21s. Unfortunately for me I am that dumb - eight units so far.
Looks like retro_console_accessories is currently on hiatus or something? Literally nothing in the store? Has she done this in the past and if so - how long does it usually take for her to come back?
Conversely, whats the general consensus on retrogamingcables.com?
Conversely, whats the general consensus on retrogamingcables.com?
You have way more options when it comes to cables, switch boxes and adapters with Scart. JP21 is much rarer and more expensive. Everything Scart plus a single Scart to Jp21 adapter is the way to go.
Bar81
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Have purchased some very high end cables from their UK site - not sure if they offer them anymore. Anyway, really nice build quality.
MikeHaggar
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huh, interesting. all i want to do is go from a super famicom to a framemeister to a hdmi input on lcd. i can't imagine ever doing anything other than that. should i still go scart?
Bar81
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In that case just buy the japanese RGB cable from Nintendo and you're done.
From the retro setup thread:
Urge to post snarky comment rising........
A door stop? Paper weight?
Waaaaaay too expensive.
theSlacker
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She does that every so often. People say that retrogamingcables.com cables are inferior to hers so I never got any from them other then one of my SCART>BNC cables.
Bar81
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What people?
*raises hand*
retrogamingcables are not shielded, resulting in crosstalk between the wires. It makes a quite prominent humming in the audio when you are displaying a light picture. You can get them if you only use the video portion of the signal and get the audio from somewhere else (the front jack on a Mega Drive or an Audio-out mod). But otherwise, they are nasty.
Khaz isn't the only one. Over the months since I've joined a few others have expressed their frustrations with retrogamingcables.
Retro_console_accessories will be back soon. She's probably just on vacation. She often closes shop for a week or so at a time only to be back soon thereafter. I'd wait for her.
Bar81
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Fair enough. The ones I have are fine; I haven't bought any of their cheaper cables.
Edit: the ones I purchased were shielded and pulled stereo from the headphone jacks on the MD and NG - apparently these cables are not offered anymore.
Here's the MD one:
http://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/...reo-rgb-av-scart-cable-tv-lead-pro-build.html
What if I'm just nabbing the SCART -> Framemeister converter from them? Retro_console_accesories hasn't had any up for sale for weeks and I want to be able to jump in with the framemeister as soon as that tax return gets here
What if I'm just nabbing the SCART -> Framemeister converter from them? Retro_console_accesories hasn't had any up for sale for weeks and I want to be able to jump in with the framemeister as soon as that tax return gets here
Message her for a timeframe as to when they'll be available.
I'm now officially in the hunt for a widescreen CRT HDTV, 66cm minimum (81cm would be ideal). I'm planning to use it with Component for my not-so-retro consoles like the PS2, Wii, Xbox, and the future Xbox360. These displays are quite uncommon in Europe but I saw ads for two of them last month when I couldn't get them, for like 50. Wish me luck!
Moor-Angol
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when I bought my CRT (Panasonic flat 21") in 2001, component was not so popular but I clearly remember that after a couple of year most of CRT had it
a friend of mine bought a Pana CRT and used a component to hook up his GC, it was around 2003 or 2004
around same time I gave to my parents a DVD player for Xmas and it had component input
Maybe you just have to search for it without being in a hurry
when I bought my CRT (Panasonic flat 21") in 2001, component was not so popular but I clearly remember that after a couple of year most of CRT had it
a friend of mine bought a Pana CRT and used a component to hook up his GC, it was around 2003 or 2004
around same time I gave to my parents a DVD player for Xmas and it had component input
Maybe you just have to search for it without being in a hurry
I have a broadcast monitor from 1991 that has component inputs. They're definitely out there even if they're hard to find. I'd like to find a widescreen one too
goldenpp72
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So i'm interested in hooking up a Dreamcast to an HDTV and a framemeister potentially, but have also heard VGA input is the best way to handle DC. It seems most HDTVs don't support VGA anymore, so with that being said, what is the best way to hook up a DC to a newer HDTV?
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Either of these:
VGA box (any) -> VGA-to-component transcoder -> TV component input
VGA box (Toro) -> Framemeister -> TV HDMI input
The Toro and other VGA boxes by Beharbros are generally regarded as the ones to get because they have proper support for both 480p and 240p games. Other VGA boxes won't get you 240p support without modding. I believe that the Toro can be more easily connected to a Framemeister than the other models.
If you forego the Framemeister, then you want a simple component transcoder that doesn't do any scaling. Modern TVs of decent quality are at least competent when it comes to handling 480p component sources.
goldenpp72
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So looking at that box, and please note I don't know a lot about this stuff at all yet, I see that it has a scart plug and a vga plug. Is there such a thing as a dreamcast scart cable, and if so, what would be the benefit of using that box vs just that method? I'm pretty confused about the whole thing which is why i'm here, I only just recently learned there was a difference between scart in japan and Europe, so i'm trying to dodge any bullets a novice might run into before spending the cash, heh. I don't own a framemeister yet (working on it) but to my understanding it doesn't have a VGA input right?
IrishNinja
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this is the part where i again mention the option of having a VGA box modded to support RGB, as well as SCART cable use for framemeister/etc
Speedwagon
Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
How?
Edit: Is this adapter a good idea if I want to connect my Dreamcast to my PVM and/or Plasma TV (which doesn't have VGA)?
http://www.beharbros.com/#!kenzei/cvhd
Is this VGA to component?
Those good folks have various models of the VGA box. The one you want for RGB Scart is the Toro. That's the one I wanna get as well. It's pretty much the perfect VGA box. No need to modify and it's built with quality... Sorry Ninja.
The Toro allows you to switch between 15 khz RGB for games that don't support VGA and/or for connecting to the Framemmeister, and 31 khz VGA for games that will run in 480p.
goldenpp72
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Is scart superior to VGA in the dreamcast case?
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Don't bother with SCART for Dreamcast unless you can confirm that it supports 480p. I can never remember which consoles work in that configuration.
Speedwagon
Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
Well I already have a VGA box for my Dreamcast. The adapter also says it can be used with Scart as the input so if I can connect my Sega Saturn and SNES to it via Scart and use component as the output that would be useful.
VGA on Dreamcast is beautiful and in smooth 480p... I can't imagine 240p RGB being superior outside of 2D games where scanlines are more appropriate.
So yeah if a game supports 480p on the DC (and most do) I wouldn't bother with RGB unless it's a sprite based game with original 240p assets.
Are you saying you already have a Toro or are you using a VGA box that'll go ahead and send the RGB signal over the 15 pin out? I know the latter is possible, but I never found if the ones you referred to would do it. Plus I think it requires more massaging since I don't think many display devices will recognize that.
goldenpp72
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But how can you hook a vga cable to a tv that doesn't have that input? Is it possible? And if so is it doable with the framemeister?
IrishNinja
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^there's ways around it; presumably the Kuro allows another option? but yeah, the standard VGA to HDMI powered adapter on monoprice works, but it's not ideal
a guy on the SHMUPs forum, installed another switch (VGA/RGB) & made it so i don't have to use a crappy VGA to HDMI adapter for my XRGB mini, plus i like having it over SCART as well
it's cool, i mean the Kuro looks good as well, but if you already have a good VGA box, i found my option to be cheaper/more ideal. just want to put it out there in case anyone else is in that spot.
*edit: wait does the Kuro support RGB as well? because the guy taking preorders on assembler made it sound (at the time) like you'd have to buy another adapter/thing with it to do that, which was another factor in my decision to pass on it
a guy on the SHMUPs forum, installed another switch (VGA/RGB) & made it so i don't have to use a crappy VGA to HDMI adapter for my XRGB mini, plus i like having it over SCART as well
it's cool, i mean the Kuro looks good as well, but if you already have a good VGA box, i found my option to be cheaper/more ideal. just want to put it out there in case anyone else is in that spot.
*edit: wait does the Kuro support RGB as well? because the guy taking preorders on assembler made it sound (at the time) like you'd have to buy another adapter/thing with it to do that, which was another factor in my decision to pass on it
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
All of the Beharbros VGA boxes (Kuro, Hanzo, Toro) are dual 15khz/31khz.
Oh right... that little conundrum. hehe
I was lucky that my old plasma had that input. Also, sets like the XM29 have it as well as it will display up to high def. I guess if your TV doesn't have the plug you could get a transcoder... JUST a transcoder, NOT a scaler. I think Sixfourtyfive is the expert on those though. So if I wanted a recommendation for a VGA to HDMI or Component transcoder, I'd ask him/her.
Speedwagon
Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
Well I have 2 VGA boxes... The cheap clear one
and one that looks similar to this
You're saying they might not be compatible with the Kenzei?
Just to be clear, will they do both signals over the 15 pin connector?
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
I'm going to repeat myself:
The Toro is what you get if you have a Framemeister. I'm actually not certain of the specifics because I own neither of them, but the Toro apparently is easier to connect to a Framemeister than their previous VGA boxes. Ask someone who has them for more details.
If you already have a different VGA box and also have a Framemeister, then you need to look into a sync-combiner so that you can connect those two devices together. I believe the Kenzei is precisely that.
The component transcoder is what you get if you don't have or want a Framemeister and are only concerned with VGA sources like the Dreamcast. It's cheaper than a dedicated upscaler, and component transcoders are usually superior to HDMI converters because those often screw up the Dreamcast's horizontal resolution.
The Toro is what you get if you have a Framemeister. I'm actually not certain of the specifics because I own neither of them, but the Toro apparently is easier to connect to a Framemeister than their previous VGA boxes. Ask someone who has them for more details.
If you already have a different VGA box and also have a Framemeister, then you need to look into a sync-combiner so that you can connect those two devices together. I believe the Kenzei is precisely that.
I believe so. The Kuro does for sure, anyway.
IrishNinja
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yeah, i have that classic cheap clear one - again, works perfect when modded, and i had the guy replace my DC battery too so it'd stop thinking it was '99, haha
ah, that's good to hear - again at the time, the dude made it sound like my purposes would require Kuro + Kenzai, so if that somehow changed closer to release (?) then cool.
ah, that's good to hear - again at the time, the dude made it sound like my purposes would require Kuro + Kenzai, so if that somehow changed closer to release (?) then cool.
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