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US and allies reportedly closer to capturing bin Laden

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pestul

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Not to play the Devil's Advocate here.. (cause I'm Liberal), but what if they had a legitimate shot at capturing Bin Laden and it wasn't politically motivated? Do we want them to capture him, and withhold the information about the capture until after the election? ;)
 

Celicar

Banned
Of course! They're waiting for the election. They capture him. Everyone is happy. Everyone votes for Bush.

Bush is clever!
 

Shinobi

Member
pestul said:
Not to play the Devil's Advocate here.. (cause I'm Liberal), but what if they had a legitimate shot at capturing Bin Laden and it wasn't politically motivated? Do we want them to capture him, and withhold the information about the capture until after the election? ;)

Why should we care? According to Bush he isn't important now anyway!
 

KingV

Member
Celicar said:
Of course! They're waiting for the election. They capture him. Everyone is happy. Everyone votes for Bush.

Bush is clever!

No he isn't, he's functionally illiterate. Cheney pulls all the strings, he is the Puppet Master!!!!! Read between the lines man, everything you know is a hoax, take the red pill. It's a conspiracy!
 
KingV said:
No he isn't, he's functionally illiterate. Cheney pulls all the strings, he is the Puppet Master!!!!! Read between the lines man, everything you know is a hoax, take the red pill. It's a conspiracy!


but but but his daughter is a dyke!
 

Matlock

Banned
Celicar said:
Of course! They're waiting for the election. They capture him. Everyone is happy. Everyone votes for Bush.

I hate to say it, but this seems like it'll be the case more and more.
 
People at the Pentagon have been saying this type of crap for like a year; and nothings happened... you conspiracy theorists crack me up... i am sure the white house will lean on the pentagon to do everything they can for a political boost, but i am sure thats started a while ago, and as soon as they capture osama, that would give an immediate boost, remove some of kerrys criticisms and arguments, and then they could re-use the osama thing with a trial or somethign later on nearer to election...

so i dont see why they'd wait, personally, nor do i think they will find him before the election. if they dont, will you nutjobs that think they have him ready and waiting admit you were wrong and dumb conspiracy theorists? nah, youll just never mention that you were SO SURE about this and had been ...."I have predicted it for awhile now, I guess it is finally coming to reality.
 

Diablos

Member
$50 says they'll "catch" him a couple weeks before the election is over.

I have a gut feeling that they've had him or at least know exactly where he is, and have known for quite some time.
 

AniHawk

Member
Diablos said:
$50 says they'll "catch" him a couple weeks before the election is over.

I have a gut feeling that they've had him or at least know exactly where he is, and have known for quite some time.

I agree with this.
 

Diablos

Member
...and if I AM right, I think that's a little sick. Instead of taking some fear off people's minds and telling them the man behind 9/11 was captured, they wait so they can fufill their own fucking political agenda. Honestly... if that is what ends up happening, I think it just goes to show you how low the Bush administration really is.

The sad thing is people will probably think it had nothing to do with Bush's political agenda.
 
this thread is lame...

people making promises that it will happen, and then criticizing people for something that hasnt even happened.

and where will they be if osama isnt caught before the election? making other promises in other threads, and criticizing others...

same lame circle jerk.
 

Kuramu

Member
Bush screws up... he's an idiot
Bush does something right... he's playing politics (every other year is an election year after all)

haters of Bush can't lose
 

AzN_F15h

Neo Member
dskillzhtown said:
Imagine that, right before the election, Bin Laden will magically be found. I have predicted it for awhile now, I guess it is finally coming to reality. I wonder if they will wait until late October to do it, it late September, so they can have quite a few photo ops of him in shackles.

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/news/090504_APworld_binladen.html

yeah i've been on to bush about this for awhile too. same thing w/ saddam. bush just had them locked up for a long ass time to make them look like bums and then he'll release them only to show them to the public to say taht HE captured them. hes doing the same thing w/ bin laden. how coincedential that its just before election time eh? fuckin gimmicks man.......
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
How come somebody always posts this same story ever 4-6 weeks? How much closer to catching Bin Laden can we get?
 

duderon

rollin' in the gutter
Kuramu said:
Bush screws up... he's an idiot
Bush does something right... he's playing politics (every other year is an election year after all)

haters of Bush can't lose

Same thing can be said about bush supporters.
 

Alcibiades

Member
Thing is, right before the election is only really going to be an advantage for Bush for a few days of coverage, but then the election will be about whatever the media pushes it for (or what the candidates can make it about)...

If the terror war is going so good, people will want to worry about the healthcare and social security and Kerry's got the edge on those issues...

This election isn't really about two candidates or their parties or where they stand, it's basically about whether the issue is terror or domestic policy.

If the most important thing for Americans is going to be the war on terror, then Bush should win handily. If what's happening in their lives more directly (healthcare, education, etc...) is at the top of their list, then Kerry has the better shot.

The subject of the election (terror or domestic policy) is going to determine who wins.

When Barak Obama and Bill Clinton gave speeches at the convention, Kerry's numbers started to go up as they talked about issues pertaining to everyday Americans, etc. Kerry was ready to receive his traditional convention bounce. Then he changed the subject to his Vietnam service (and Edwards saying the Al-Qaida should be very afraid of the Democratic ticket). He lost the conventional Democratic convention bounce because it reminded people of the war on terror.

Any manifestation of the war subject (Vietnam, Russia's troubles, Iraq, Al-Qaida, etc...) is basically going to remind people of this so-called "War on Terror" and going to send Bush's numbers up.

Any manifestation of domestic policy will likely help John Kerry ('cept maybe gay marriage, which both candidates just kinda want to avoid).

Before the Democratic Convention in July Dick Morris, former Bill Clinton advisor, credited for Bill Clinton's re-election campaign in 1996 and Vicente Fox's election to the Mexican Presidency (PAN party) after 70 years of rule by the same party (PRI party), Dick Morris wrote a column about how this campaign would be about two issues:

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/24132.htm

here is an excerpt, although I'd suggest reading the whole thing, pretty fascinating concept:

This election will hinge on what Americans want in a president. It's not so much a contest between two candidates, ideologies or even parties as it is a clash between two different issues or priorities for the voters.

In this respect, it parallels the 1945 election in the United Kingdom, when voters had a choice of Winston Churchill to lead the nation in war or Labor's Clement Atlee to lead it in peace. With Germany defeated but Japan still holding out, the war was still a real concern, but voters opted for Labor's social-welfare focus.

If terror is dominating the headlines in November, Bush will probably win. If not, he'll likely lose. Events, more than campaigning, are likely to determine the outcome.

This strategic conundrum poses difficult questions for both campaigns.

Bush has to hope for neither too much success nor too much failure in his efforts to eradicate terror, pacify Iraq and curb the ambitions of North Korea and Iran. Too much success would erode the importance of these issues and let domestic questions come to the fore, to Kerry's advantage. Too much failure would besmirch his ratings on fighting terror and could cripple his key advantage, as April's outbreak of violence in Iraq hobbled him in the spring.

Kerry has to hope Bush will succeed so well in fighting terrorism that it disappears as an issue. Only if voters feel genuinely safe will they be willing to reject the man who brought them safety and take a chance on a man they don't entirely trust on the issue.

take it from the man who got Big Willie back into the White House in '96.

The only way Bin Laden will be a big boost to Bush for the election is if Iran becomes an issue or if some new face (like Zarqawi or that guy in Iraq was a few weeks ago) can be put on face of terror.
 

FightyF

Banned
Just bringing up the name Osama bin Laden to the minds of Americans could be a political move.

Though you may disagree that this is the case, you can at least consider it a possibility.

In my mind, I consider it fact. Why? Because we've seen this before. The invasion of Iraq used similar bits of information to convince Americans that Iraq was a threat, that everyday Saddam Hussien had something plotted and that it wasn't good for Americans. There was very little information regarding the hunt for Osama bin Laden.

Bringing up Osama bin Laden at that time would have sent the wrong message to Americans. Back then, the focus was Iraq, not Al Qaeda. Reminding Americans about the people responsible for the 9/11 attacks could have jeopardized the invasion, as they would have realized what matters more. Most Americans would have started thinking "why don't we send 150,000 troops to hunt OBL down?".
 

Che

Banned
Remember this. Bin Laden will not be captured alive. He knows what americans will do to him - hell he even worked for the CIA.
 

Shinobi

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Willco said:
How come somebody always posts this same story ever 4-6 weeks? How much closer to catching Bin Laden can we get?

Heh, that too...until you catch the old goat, shut the fuck up.

And you know why people believe in the bin Laden/election conspiracy? Because this administration has given them reason to do so. They've been a bunch of agenda-ridden liars from the moment they stepped foot into the White House. Everyone with a pair of working eyes saw what Iraq was really about and where it was going, except for those who either had their heads in the sand or firmly planted up Bush's ass. And now the same people wonder why the worst is thought of these crooks? Gimme a fucking break.
 

Diablos

Member
Shinobi said:
Heh, that too...until you catch the old goat, shut the fuck up.

And you know why people believe in the bin Laden/election conspiracy? Because this administration has given them reason to do so. They've been a bunch of agenda-ridden liars from the moment they stepped foot into the White House. Everyone with a pair of working eyes saw what Iraq was really about and where it was going, except for those who either had their heads in the sand or firmly planted up Bush's ass. And now the same people wonder why the worst is thought of these crooks? Gimme a fucking break.

ari.jpg

"Bitch please."

;)
 
heh, im as anti-Bush as the next guy, but i can't believe that they would try and pull something off like this. Too high risk for the potential reward. I mean, im sure it'd be nice for the administration to get Bin Laden captured a week or two before the election, but at this point catching Bin Laden at ALL would be a huge coup, and a boost to Dubya's approval rating, so it wouldn't really matter when it was announced. On the other hand, if it was somehow found out, or leaked (you think something like this isn't something that could be kept between Bush and Cheney, there would be a lot of people involved, right down the the soldiers who did the capturing) that Bush was holding off the info of Bin Laden's capture for his own political gain, it'd be over. There's no way even the most die hard righties could spin their way out of that one, and it would cloud up whatever credibility this adminstration has left on their agenda in this "war on terror". Im not saying they don't have it in them to pull something like this off, i just don't think it'd be worth the risk for them.
 

KingV

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Shinobi said:
Heh, that too...until you catch the old goat, shut the fuck up.

And you know why people believe in the bin Laden/election conspiracy? Because this administration has given them reason to do so. They've been a bunch of agenda-ridden liars from the moment they stepped foot into the White House. Everyone with a pair of working eyes saw what Iraq was really about and where it was going, except for those who either had their heads in the sand or firmly planted up Bush's ass. And now the same people wonder why the worst is thought of these crooks? Gimme a fucking break.

Dude, there's always a conspiracy for every Presidency, and they're always a load of crap. Until somebody can find something other than pure conjecture to back it up, the War is not just about Oil, and they don't have OBL holed up somewhere just waiting for the election. It's illogical to think anything else. You're connecting dots that aren't there. The only proof is an assertion that you (in the collective sense) think that Bush and Cheney are capable of such an act, there's no other evidence to back it up that isn't completely circumstantial.

It's just like how for the far right, Y2K was a conspiracy where Bill Clinton was trying to destroy the world's communications networks and take over the world as the supreme President of the New World Order. People believe that load of crap too. Soon, I'm sure the MIB's will come to your homes and shut you up for exposing the President's plans and take you away on their stealth helicopters, just like in Deus Ex.
 

Socreges

Banned
Bush has to hope for neither too much success nor too much failure in his efforts to eradicate terror, pacify Iraq and curb the ambitions of North Korea and Iran. Too much success would erode the importance of these issues and let domestic questions come to the fore, to Kerry's advantage. Too much failure would besmirch his ratings on fighting terror and could cripple his key advantage, as April's outbreak of violence in Iraq hobbled him in the spring.

Kerry has to hope Bush will succeed so well in fighting terrorism that it disappears as an issue. Only if voters feel genuinely safe will they be willing to reject the man who brought them safety and take a chance on a man they don't entirely trust on the issue.
Good CONCEPT, but nill on the practicality. How could Bush possibly have so much success that his main strength suddenly ceases being a priority to people that already hold it as such? They've already captured a lot of top Al Qaeda heads and could potentially grab Bin Laden as well (weeks before the election. just you wait), but this "war" on terror has taken several steps back with each step forward.

Bush has to keep Americans scared. If they, for instance, capture Bin Laden, you can be sure that he will celebrate the victory, but still maintain that there are still challenges ahead. Any significant gain will be used to illustrate HOW he can "fight" the "war on terror", but not necessarily that the job remaining might be any easier.
 
Shinobi said:
Heh, that too...until you catch the old goat, shut the fuck up.

And you know why people believe in the bin Laden/election conspiracy? Because this administration has given them reason to do so. They've been a bunch of agenda-ridden liars from the moment they stepped foot into the White House. Everyone with a pair of working eyes saw what Iraq was really about and where it was going, except for those who either had their heads in the sand or firmly planted up Bush's ass. And now the same people wonder why the worst is thought of these crooks? Gimme a fucking break.

my eyes work, and i am not near sand.. so i guess my head is "firmly planted up Bus's ass" because i don't agree with you on the purpose of the iraq war?

you are smart111!!!!
 

Shinobi

Member
Diablos said:
ari.jpg

"Bitch please."

;)

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Ninja Scooter said:
On the other hand, if it was somehow found out, or leaked (you think something like this isn't something that could be kept between Bush and Cheney, there would be a lot of people involved, right down the the soldiers who did the capturing) that Bush was holding off the info of Bin Laden's capture for his own political gain, it'd be over. There's no way even the most die hard righties could spin their way out of that one, and it would cloud up whatever credibility this adminstration has left on their agenda in this "war on terror".

You wanna bet? Some of the shit I've seen these clowns spin the last couple years makes this case here look mild.





KingV said:
Dude, there's always a conspiracy for every Presidency, and they're always a load of crap. Until somebody can find something other than pure conjecture to back it up, the War is not just about Oil, and they don't have OBL holed up somewhere just waiting for the election. It's illogical to think anything else. You're connecting dots that aren't there. The only proof is an assertion that you (in the collective sense) think that Bush and Cheney are capable of such an act, there's no other evidence to back it up that isn't completely circumstantial.

It's just like how for the far right, Y2K was a conspiracy where Bill Clinton was trying to destroy the world's communications networks and take over the world as the supreme President of the New World Order. People believe that load of crap too. Soon, I'm sure the MIB's will come to your homes and shut you up for exposing the President's plans and take you away on their stealth helicopters, just like in Deus Ex.

Why the fuck are you grilling me? Did I say I even believed in this particular conspiracy? Nope. I simply said it's easy to see why others would believe it, based on their pathetic track record.

I've bought into plenty of conspiracies in my lifetime...I don't need this one. :lol
 
Shinobi said:
You wanna bet? Some of the shit I've seen these clowns spin the last couple years makes this case here look mild.

like i said, its not that i think Bush and co. would think its the 'wrong' thing to do, i just don't think they'd take the chance right now. I mean, if they busted out a video of a captured Bin Laden tomorrow, it would have a HUGE impact imo. You're right though, i wouldn't put it past them to pull this kinda shit off.
 

KingV

Member
Shinobi said:
Why the fuck are you grilling me? Did I say I even believed in this particular conspiracy? Nope. I simply said it's easy to see why others would believe it, based on their pathetic track record.

I've bought into plenty of conspiracies in my lifetime...I don't need this one. :lol

Sorry, man, jumped the gun.
 

Zaptruder

Banned
I'll take everyone up on the bet... that the administration will NOT produce Bin Laden 'a couple weeks' before the election.
 

Shinobi

Member
LuckyBrand said:
my eyes work, and i am not near sand.. so i guess my head is "firmly planted up Bus's ass" because i don't agree with you on the purpose of the iraq war?

you are smart111!!!!

Fucking right I am, and don't you forget it...
 

sc0la

Unconfirmed Member
Che said:
Remember this. Bin Laden will not be captured alive. He knows what americans will do to him - hell he even worked for the CIA.
They wouldn't "do" anything to him. Other than put him on trial etc. which if you think about it would be the perfect venue for him to spout his rhetoric etc, as in the case of the milosivic trial.

Though being a martyr could be appealing, it doesn't seem to have the same presidence in the Al Qaida movement as it does in say the Israel/Palestine conflict (EDIT: martyrdom definately plays a part in the culture, but I think it is more important to be carrying out an act of terrorism to be considered one). I think that if he were to be captured he would very much like to be shipped of to the west as "the great example"

all IMO of course.
 

Alcibiades

Member
Socreges said:
Good CONCEPT, but nill on the practicality. How could Bush possibly have so much success that his main strength suddenly ceases being a priority to people that already hold it as such? They've already captured a lot of top Al Qaeda heads and could potentially grab Bin Laden as well (weeks before the election. just you wait), but this "war" on terror has taken several steps back with each step forward.

Bush has to keep Americans scared. If they, for instance, capture Bin Laden, you can be sure that he will celebrate the victory, but still maintain that there are still challenges ahead. Any significant gain will be used to illustrate HOW he can "fight" the "war on terror", but not necessarily that the job remaining might be any easier.

I mean, if regular people (after we find Bin Laden, before or after the election) decide that the "War on Terror" is still important, but that the main threat for our country is gone and that Kerry could handle what's left, people could go into the mindset that with the amount of success that's been had, it's OK to worry a little less about terror and more about issues that directly affect them, like healthcare and social security.

Bringing up what happened in Britain when they ousted Churchill is important. The Nazi's were defeated, so the most direct threat to Europe/Britain was gone, although the world still had the Japanese problem (mostly for the US) and the war wasn't over, for the British, voting became about the situation that would come about once things had settled, and they looked to the future by voting someone else in.

So basically, nobody I think would buy that Al-Qaida is still the same threat it was (now that 2/3 of it has been dismantled plus Osama is gone). Bush or someone would have to bring up something else (most likely Iran) so that a foreign threat is still visible to the American public, and it's got to be clear. Voters aren't going to keep a "general terror threat" issue in their mind if it's hard to see what they should be worried about. Osama Bin Laden works because it's the face of Al-Qaida. Iraq (and especially Saddam) work because they've been part of American policy for over a decade, they aren't strangers at all. Bush would need to make Iran and/or North Korea (he shouldn't provoke that threat though) an issue, otherwise voters have a short attention span and just a "general' threat to America isn't going to convince people that it's reason enough to keep Bush in officce.

BTW, this idea that there are still terrorist attacks going on (and that they've gone up since 9/11) so it must mean the US/Allies aren't doing a good job is the biggest piece of crap I keep hearing. That's like saying attacks from Japan on our military went up after Pearl Harbor, well no sh*t, we're also going after them.

Even if you were to take out the attacks going on in Iraq, an increase in attacks only makes sense. Our military/intelligence (plus foreign allies and their governments) are actually attempting to penetrate networks and bring them down, it's not like they're going to stop relenting.

I would expect that if Clinton or Bush (pre-9/11) had gone after hard on Al-Qaida and other such groups, that we'd see an increase in attacks. You can't look at Bali, Morocco, or Saudi Arabia and start applying the perception and statistics you use in local law enforcement.

Islamic terrorist groups (while they do have cells in the US) originate outside and are basically foreign attacks on America. During any war, attacking your enemy will probably lead to an increase in defensive/offensive responses from them.
 

Socreges

Banned
efralope said:
I mean, if regular people (after we find Bin Laden, before or after the election) decide that the "War on Terror" is still important, but that the main threat for our country is gone and that Kerry could handle what's left, people could go into the mindset that with the amount of success that's been had, it's OK to worry a little less about terror and more about issues that directly affect them, like healthcare and social security.
Yeah, this is what you said before. But:

1) "the main threat" would not be eradicated just by removing bin Laden. If anything, other people are already operating in his place.
2) Bush no longer identifies any "main threat" and still has faithful Americans considering the "war on terror" a very high priority.
Bringing up what happened in Britain when they ousted Churchill is important. The Nazi's were defeated, so the most direct threat to Europe/Britain was gone, although the world still had the Japanese problem (mostly for the US) and the war wasn't over, for the British, voting became about the situation that would come about once things had settled, and they looked to the future by voting someone else in.
Japan was a distant threat that everyone knew would be defeated. People could move on. That analogy doesn't work.
So basically, nobody I think would buy that Al-Qaida is still the same threat it was (now that 2/3 of it has been dismantled plus Osama is gone).
Watch those talking points. The "2/3" refers to senior leaders. That's significant, but it's already suspected that other people have filled the holes and created a nucleus. Recently intelligence officials have been trying to understand Al-Qaeda's present status.

Bush or someone would have to bring up something else (most likely Iran) so that a foreign threat is still visible to the American public, and it's got to be clear. Voters aren't going to keep a "general terror threat" issue in their mind if it's hard to see what they should be worried about. Osama Bin Laden works because it's the face of Al-Qaida. Iraq (and especially Saddam) work because they've been part of American policy for over a decade, they aren't strangers at all. Bush would need to make Iran and/or North Korea (he shouldn't provoke that threat though) an issue, otherwise voters have a short attention span and just a "general' threat to America isn't going to convince people that it's reason enough to keep Bush in officce.
...what? That's exactly what they've done for months now. The "war on terror". How often do you even hear about Al-Qaeda or bin Laden anymore? No, the Bush administration has stirred people up to be concerned about another terrorist attack without even specifying who is capable of such a thing. It's just "the terrorists" now.
 

Alcibiades

Member
I know the 2/3 thing is pretty much not the whole network, but I mean it's the number that gets thrown around. My guess is there is a lot of existing members we don't know about, so getting a count would be pretty impossible.

I guess it's true they've been drumming up this "war on terror", but they've tied Iraq (which becomes less of an issue every day) to it for the past two years. When they handed over power June 30th, there was still coverage, but not the "report every little detail" kind that had kept it in the news.

It comes down to perception. I know removing Bin Laden would basically be a partial victory only, and that there is still a large network out there.

True that now it's less "Bin Laden" and more of "the terrorists" (which are given a face when stories of attack on Israel or Russia, etc..) happens and is in the news. I guess in a way it's basically an Islamic face on what's considered "the terrorists" now, with a focus on saying it's fundamentalists who misrepresent the religion. That would be the perception I guess.

That said, it all comes down to how ordinary Americans (who don't pay as much attention and don't watch as much news) see it. If they see terror as a distant issue and see education and healthcare as issues closer to home, the state of the race could change.

I disagree that it can't go down in the priority list for Americans. Sometimes you see signs of it when jobs or tax cuts are being discussed in the media. At one point, I think the "War on Terror" was like #3 in the list of priorities in one of those polls, but it's always hovering or directly on top, especially when major news happens.

The reason "terror" has been in the general minds of people is because that's what has been dominating headlines. For 2 years it was Iraq, then the handover, then John Kerry's Vietnam service (which just kept the "who would do better as commander-in-chief" debate in visibility), then the Republican Convention just hammered the issue into public discourse hoping it would stick well. All the while, foreign terrorist attacks (like in Spain, Israel, Russia, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia) dominate news coverage and the topic seeps into people's minds. It's been non-stop for the longest time, and John Kerry hasn't really made an effort to change the subject.

Barak Obama and Bill Clinton almost helped in starting to change the subject, but then Kerry did his cute "reporting for duty" speech that kinda took it back.

"faithful Americans" is hard to define. What percentage think terror is #1? It's rarely about 35%. Do Mid-Westerners in the suburbs think terror is going to affect them? Who knows, people vote for their interests, and realistically, what's going to affect them directly.

I know Al-Qaida without Bin Laden would still be there (not to mention sleeper cells, etc..), but that doesn't mean American's (those who follow the news sparingly) will see the more complex situation.

John Kerry still has time to change the subject. Bush's convention bounce (short-lived or not) is going to survive or return through the 9/11 anniversary, but the debates could change what's on people's minds, and how well they think the "War on Terror" is going.

"Faithful Americans" will vote for Bush, as Dick Morris puts it "as a duty to the fallen". For others, it's going to be a vote based on what's the important issue at hand, and I'm not convinced that a Bin Laden capture won't have people breathing sighs of relief and feeling very strongly that they want to move on to something other than the "War on Terror". Terror alerts and the news cycle can have people drained with matters relating to this, no matter how much of a reality the threat still is.
 
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BigJonsson said:
Americans need to stop being afraid

Who's afraid? I don't know anyone who's quit their usual activities due to terrorism. I do, however, think it's perfectly fine to be aware of terrorism and the fact it's a threat day in and day out. Not acknowledging that is just putting your head in the sand.
 
Thaedolus said:
Who's afraid? I don't know anyone who's quit their usual activities due to terrorism. I do, however, think it's perfectly fine to be aware of terrorism and the fact it's a threat day in and day out. Not acknowledging that is just putting your head in the sand.
Well, I acknowledge the chance a car will wreck into our front lawn, too, but I don't worry about it.
 

Alcibiades

Member
true, but if the traffic accident rate is high (due to minors, alchohol, or whatever), then you'd somehow try to get local/state officials in office that are going to enforce curfews, enact laws, etc... in the hopes that it would get to the point where it's not something that comes up in the news all that often.

difference is though, a traffic accident can change a family, school, or in extreme cases a town, but people can move on and although lives are changed, the threat level or way-of-life isn't all that different from before (maybe people behaving better).

Even though a terrorist attack may not hit some rural town in the Mid-West (and the chances are really super-low even in big cities), the consequences of one in any part of the country are going to be significant.

Remember the "Washington-Area Sniper". Even British press was obsessed with the story, but in the US, many within the sphere of location were affected. People actually changed their behavior, were more careful, and didn't go out as much. Bill 'O Reilly did some great reporting about how people in other parts of the country were being affected (considering the major coverage it got, I'm not surprised, especially those who are suseptible to certain fears or influence). He talked about the whole "walk-in-a-zig-zag" pattern mini-phenom that some were taking to with some expert (I think a pyschologist or sociologist).

This, even though the chances of getting hit by a car or a traffic accident were FAR greater, even in the region of the country where the sniper was attacking, a vehicle-related incident was far more probable.

My point is, if an attack happened, people all over the country would be affected, and especially in whatever city/state it happens in, but the whole country would be greatly affected. The economy, law enforcement, security measures, etc...

Whoever is President if a terrorist situation arises is going to matter greatly. Kerry says he would have gone after Iraq anyway, but who knows how true that is. Even if one were to believe him, he hasn't explained his position on Iraq in enough detail to tie it into the so-called "War on Terror" He hasn't made it clear if transforming the Middle-East is part of his plan to fight terror at it's roots. Bush has made himself clear (whether people want him to push for that is another matter entirely) and that like Tony Blair, thinks 9/11 changed the world enough to make a direct push towards influence in the Middle-East a priority. If Bush wants to get elected, he's got to make terror an issue an remind voters of that. If Kerry wants to get elected, he's got to push for more talk about domestic issues and kinda hope that terror fades at the #1 issue.
 
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