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US Destroyer collides with merchant vessel in South China Sea (yes, again)

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novenD

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I like how not one post has considered the possibility that the tanker is at fault and the fact that this happened so soon after the previous incident is purely coincidence.
 
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cdyhybrid

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Tovarisc said:
Gas tanker?

Mass and size difference is to its advantage so destroyer took most of damage here. Like last time with container ship.



Even if GPS was lost you still have tens if not hundreds of men with functioning eyesights. This is huge human failure.
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Not everyone on the ship is standing on the deck and sightseeing breh breh
 
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Greigor The Fellhand

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Once is an accident twice is a coincidence, three times..

No fuck that, something is up our navy is trained. Some one is fucking with the nav plots of multiple ships. This shit just didn't happen with large ships
 
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Tovarisc

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cdyhybrid said:
Not everyone on the ship is standing on the deck and sightseeing breh breh
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Breh? Who says "breh"?

I never said everyone on the ship or even whole shift is doing post duty, but it's still major human failure that no one noticed huge oil tanker that was getting oddly close to the destroyer. If noticed then they epicly failed to avoid which is still human failure.
 
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RefigeKru

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novenD said:
I like how not one post has considered the possibility that the tanker is at fault and the fact that this happened so soon after the previous incident is purely coincidence.
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That is no longer the rational point of view in 2017. Every day we ebb ever closer to the cyberpunk dystopia of prophesy.
 
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mlclmtckr

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novenD said:
I like how not one post has considered the possibility that the tanker is at fault and the fact that this happened so soon after the previous incident is purely coincidence.
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That's not how the COLREGs work though. It isn't like car insurance where one person can be entirely at fault. No matter who was acting more recklessly a fully crewed American warship should be watching radar, AIS, satellites, and most importantly have people with binoculars physically looking around the boat. This kind of thing should never, ever happen unless there is negligence on both sides.
 
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Dishwalla

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So glad I'm not on a ship anymore, this means that the Navy is going to implement training up the ass for all at sea sailors.
 
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novenD

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mlclmtckr said:
That's not how the COLREGs work though. It isn't like car insurance where one person can be entirely at fault. No matter who was acting more recklessly a fully crewed American warship should be watching radar, AIS, satellites, and most importantly have people with binoculars physically looking around the boat. This kind of thing should never, ever happen unless there is negligence on both sides.
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True enough.

I just wanted to point out that we shouldn't be jumping to conclusions until we know more.
 
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Peter Ian Staker

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NoFaceNico said:
The Greeks are laughing at us
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Yeah Greek news agencies will have a field day with that location name.

Who the fuck keeps sailing those warships into merchant vessels? There dozens of people overlooking the ocean and the live location data of commercial vessels is publicly available.
 
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Dishwalla

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sechsterangriff

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I just can't imagine how such a huge vessel so near the ship doesn't make the radar sound all sorts of alarms. Did they have thing on mute or something?
 
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mAcOdIn

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Vectorman said:
Lol if Chinese merchant ships are accidentally hitting our ships with ease, how are they gonna stop a boat or anything else that might hit them on purpose?
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I'm partly talking out of my ass but I assume there is the possibility that they recognized there could be a collision but recognizing it was a civilian ship decided not to blow it out of the water and instead hoped one could be avoided. I mean, just because there was a collision doesn't necessarily mean no-one knew the ship was there or that a collision with it was possible.

In the last case it does seem like they were completely oblivious as the Captain was even asleep but we don't know anything about this case yet. For all we know they were in crowded waters, recognized a collision was possible and took steps to avoid it if possible and the worst case still happened.
 
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Tovarisc

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https://twitter.com/DavidLarter/status/899432103552716800
 
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chadskin

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Bit of an update here:
Early internal reports indicate that five sailors had suffered minor injuries, but a full accounting of the crew was underway to determine if any sailors were missing.

The McCain’s sailors are fighting flooding in two crew berthings and in shaft alley, which is a space aft of the main engineering spaces where a shafts that rotate the ship’s propellers run through.

The presence of flooding below the waterline indicates that the bow of the Alnic MC punched a hole in the side of McCain, as happened to Fitzgerald earlier this year. The ship’s propulsion has been limited but it is making way.
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http://www.navytimes.com/news/your-...-john-s-mccain-collides-with-merchant-vessel/
 
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cdyhybrid

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lastplayed said:
Most navies seem to avoid this though?
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Tovarisc said:
Breh? Who says "breh"?

I never said everyone on the ship or even whole shift is doing post duty, but it's still major human failure that no one noticed huge oil tanker that was getting oddly close to the destroyer. If noticed then they epicly failed to avoid which is still human failure.
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I say it.

And yes, they have people watching. But it's not accurate to say "there are literally hundreds of people that could have seen this with their own eyes".
 
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Blackpanther25

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novenD said:
I like how not one post has considered the possibility that the tanker is at fault and the fact that this happened so soon after the previous incident is purely coincidence.
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Thank you. I am really disappointed in GAF right now. There are people missing on the ship.
 
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Ether_Snake

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In the previous thread I think I posted an image of the path the ship took which looked like it had been on purpose.

Edit: found it
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But I would assume if this was the case, even if the US wouldn't try to shout it without having clear undeniable proofs, that they wouldn't have blamed themselves.

Seems a shakeup is due at the navy.
 
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Tovarisc

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Kin5290 said:
Most navies have a fraction of the blue water ships that we have, and of those that do most can't afford to actually deploy those ships in extended patrols.
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And what is your point? That because US has more boats this is somehow acceptable?
 
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shiba5

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Trump responded to shouted questions from press pool about the collision. "That's too bad", he said.

He's not even trying.
 
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Aters

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Ah yes, it's gotta be the Russians and the Chinese. Those bad motherfuckers use their billion dollar merchant vessels to scratch US destroyers. Holy shit this thread.
 
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jellies_two

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Ether_Snake said:
In the previous thread I think I posted an image of the path the ship took which looked like it had been on purpose.

Edit: found it
bmXUC7v.jpg

But I would assume if this was the case, even if the US wouldn't try to shout it without having clear undeniable proofs, that they wouldn't have blamed themselves.

Seems a shakeup is due at the navy.
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That picture was wrong as they got the time of collision wrong. Actually the path is consistent with it happening out of the blue then the cargo ship freaked out.

Shows that the internet is only good at drawing conclusions early if you are prepared to accept a much reduced reliability on them.
 
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