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genius sub

 

[jamesinclair]

The rule changed a while ago mang. "Intent" has nothing to do with it. Now, there needs to be a "deliberate" motion of the hand/arm that results in a handball - that includes deliberately making yourself "bigger" to cause a handball. Intent has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Also, the level of deliberateness has nothing to do with whether there is a yellow or red card. A yellow card is given if the handball was a tactical foul or if it constituted "un-sportmanship conduct." A red is given if it "denies a clear goal scoring opportunity."

Make sure you know the rules next time before you are condescending.

Edit: I didn't see the handball here, so you may be right that it was not deliberate (and you are indeed right if he was running away and the ball hit his arm), but I'm just correcting your characterization of the rule.

Oh please, deliberate and intent mean the same in this case.




Edit: Goalie wasnt as bad as I thought initially.

 

[Rhaegar]

shea? meh

SHEA!!!! Mehhhhhh!!!!!

 

[The_Inquisitor]

GGGGOOOOAAALLLL

 

[Grover Cleveland]

Dat unintentional assist from Donovan

 

[Slizz]

 

[Clydefrog]

SHEA!!!! Mehhhhhh!!!!!

hahahahaha

 

[perfectchaos007]

Wasn't Shea offsides on that goal?

 

[Fox318]

GOAAALLL

 

[Judderman]

Ohhh man, let's fucking go!

 

[FootballFan]

Yes!!!!!! USA USA USA

 

[Frank the Great]

Oh please, deliberate and intent mean the same in this case.

No, it doesn't. I'm a referee and they spend hours telling us it doesn't mean the same thing every year.

Intentional = mental state
Deliberate = a voluntary movement

I'm also a lawyer and in criminal and tort law there is a clear distinction between intent and a voluntary act. So you are just wrong that they are the same.

 

[The_Inquisitor]

Wasn't Shea offsides on that goal?

He was behind the ball.

 

[Rhaegar]

Beasley with dat accuracy.

 

[Slizz]

No, it doesn't. I'm a referee and they spend hours telling us it doesn't mean the same thing every year.

Intentional = mental state
Deliberate = a voluntary movement

I'm also a lawyer and in criminal and tort law there is a clear distinction between intent and a voluntary act. So you are just wrong that they are the same.

Tort law? Good lord, how do you deal?

 

[Askani]

Glad to ginally see a goal. Keep up the pressure.

Horrible Beasley. Damn man, pull that shot down. Geeze.

 

[Clydefrog]

oh my godddddd my heart

 

[perfectchaos007]

He was behind the ball.

Ah. Didn't know the ball counted as a defender.

 

[NoRéN]

Wasn't Shea offsides on that goal?

Donovan's touch makes it a no.

 

[Clydefrog]

 

[Askani]

Ah. Didn't know the ball counted as a defender.

If a ball is passed backwards, offside doesn't come into play.

 

[jamesinclair]

No, it doesn't. I'm a referee and they spend hours telling us it doesn't mean the same thing every year.

Intentional = mental state
Deliberate = a voluntary movement

I'm also a lawyer and in criminal and tort law there is a clear distinction between intent and a voluntary act. So you are just wrong that they are the same.

When youre talking about a split second spots decision, how is a voluntary movement not the same as mental state?

Regardless of the English language technical wording that may be discussed in a court-room....for the purpose of my previous post, theyre the same.

Nobody was arguing the difference between intend and deliberate, rather the misconception that I see way too often that ball-against-hand = handball = penalty.

 

[Frank the Great]

Tort law? Good lord, how do you deal?

I don't actually practice yet--bar exam this week, then clerking for a year. I'm willing to do any law if I can get a job though, torts/PI included.

If a ball is passed backwards, offside doesn't come into play.

That's not true. He had it right the first time - the ball counts as the line of offside, if the ball is beyond the second to last defender. Even a pass backward can result in offside if the player who receives it was in an offside position at the time of the kick.

 

[The_Inquisitor]

If a ball is passed backwards, offside doesn't come into play.

Right.

 

[Clydefrog]

what the fuck

 

[Frank the Great]

Shea WTF you doing there man, have some more balls.

 

[daoster]

should have taken that Shea

 

[Clydefrog]

shea is trash!

 

[Rhaegar]

Um, shoot? Trying to get too cute around the box there.

 

[DominoKid]

shea has to first time that upper 90. eto'o style.

 

[NoRéN]

Now he goes for it and hits a teammate. lol

 

[Grover Cleveland]

Rimando's ball distribution is excellent.

 

[TangMeng]

Wow

SMH

 

[Clydefrog]

o
m
g


edit: ROFL @ klinsmann reaction

 

[talisayNon]

JOHNSON CMON MAN

 

[DominoKid]

EJ miss from 2 feet out.

 

[Grover Cleveland]

EJ's got to put that away.

Howler

 

[CobbFC09]

Wow, EJ just missed a gimme.

 

[NoRéN]

And this is why US always ends up relying on Donovan and Dempsey.

 

[Rhaegar]

Wow Eddie.

 

[perfectchaos007]

Thanks for the offsides clarification guys. i'm still trying to learn this game.

 

[methodman]

Fucking Eddie Johnson. Wow

 

[Nesotenso]

should have iced this with EJ

 

[Judderman]

HNNNGHHHHH time.

 

[Clydefrog]

record amount of grey hairs popping up on my head

 

[DominoKid]

punch him in the mouth EJ!

 

[talisayNon]

Beasley calm him down

 

[Fox318]

EJ going in

 

[Rhaegar]

Go ahead and waste time Parris. Salty.

 

[Clydefrog]

dont piss off wesley snipes