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[entremet]

Thought I'd create this thread so the other new threads aren't derailed.

Have at it, guys and gals!

Personally, I'm not for any firearms ban, but better screening and training requirements across the board. I am for restrictions on assault rifles and military grade automatic weaponry.

I'm also skeptical than these laws will have a big effect on crime rates. There is a huge black market for these weapons anyway.

 

[FStop7]

Nobody should be allowed to have them but me.

 

[Acheron]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7gIpuIVE3k

 

[iNvid02]

more guns for toys initiatives amurica

 

[Half and half]

Ban them. Hunting and firing ranges only and even then after careful examination of the applicant.

 

[Osietra]

Shooting people with guns is seriously not cool.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

I created a "Garbage thread" last year for something but it got closed. I wish you better luck, OP.

 

[bengraven]

Too many guns on the market and it's perfectly legal to own most weapons now.

America has lost control of guns.

 

[Valnen]

Shooting people with guns is seriously not cool.

Killing innocent people is never cool regardless of the method used.

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

HELL YEA WE BUST o GUNZ!!!

 

[midonnay]

Shooting people with guns is seriously not cool.

Less shooting..... More shaking

 

[eznark]

Mandatory guns for all.

 

[Osietra]

Killing innocent people is never cool regardless of the method used.

What about using a gun that fires ice cubes.

 

[zchen]

an armed society is a polite society.

 

[FuturusX]

I'm for letting the discussion derail other threads...We need to wake up.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

I mean, NYC already has some strict gun control laws. My best friend and I both own guns and he has to go through a fuck ton more effort to get ANY weapon. The police investigating his permit request called me and asked for his reference. He had to go to a sit down interview. And if he wants more than 5 guns he has to prove that he has a safe to lock them up in. Doesn't matter if it's a handgun or long gun.

I'm in NY myself but while I work in NYC I don't live there. I gotta go through some hoops for a handgun but I can go purchase a shotgun or semi-auto rifle right now and it'll take about 45 minutes.

 

[Antiwhippy]

What about using a gun that fires ice cubes.

But then the ice cubes will melt away leaving no evidence.

The perfect crime.

 

[vas_a_morir]

I had somebody on Facebook say "No guns in prison, and it's the most violent place there is." So, if the inmates had guns, prison would be safer, right?

 

[Shake Appeal]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/interactive/2012/jul/22/gun-ownership-homicides-map

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Too many guns on the market and it's perfectly legal to own most weapons now.

America has lost control of guns.

Stop falling for the media hype.

Violent crime in the US is at a 40 year low.

 

[Pandemic]

Ban them, we don't hear these types of shootings in China yet they have triple the population.

 

[SquiddyCracker]

I had somebody on Facebook say "No guns in prison, and it's the most violent place there is." So, if the inmates had guns, prison would be safer, right?

That makes a lot of sense.

 

[entremet]

I'm for letting the discussion derail other threads...We need to wake up.

Moderation isn't fine with it, though, hence this thread.

 

[Beardz]

I don't understand why America is obsessed with guns, why?

 

[Mammoth Jones]

I had somebody on Facebook say "No guns in prison, and it's the most violent place there is." So, if the inmates had guns, prison would be safer, right?

That's just a shitty analogy all around. Prisons are for people that have a habit of not following the law. We don't allow convicts to own firearms.

 

[Valnen]

I don't understand why America is obsessed with guns, why?

History. Culture.

 

[FStop7]

What about using a gun that fires ice cubes.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

Compulsory two-year military service for everyone who successfully applies to purchase a gun. Everyone who doesn't gets put on a watchlist. Would ensure proper training and experience with them while weeding out most of the super-wackjobs and more deeply unstable folks. Won't stop it all, though, as guns are rampant in this country, which makes sense since we are the biggest supplier to the world with weapons of all kinds. In truth, the culture of America is too diverse and stretched across too much geography to be able to do anything but enforce things more strictly. Anything less won't matter enough.

 

[The Technomancer]

I do not buy that gun ownership in the US is an uncontrollable force that simply cannot be effectively curbed, as some people seem to think.

 

[yn-neko hates a cat]

Less shooting..... More shaking

Are you running on the "Why shoot a baby when you can shake 'em to death" platform?

 

[Castor Krieg]

I don't understand why America is obsessed with guns, why?

In the past the US was really a huge country of scattered communities, where farmers, etc. needed to defend themselves. Add to it the fact that federal government's police force was not established till 1920s (FBI) and people always assumed they have to watch out for themselves.

Now 90 years later, with functional police some people still believe the US is like Wild West.

 

[David Incorporated Esq.]

I'm for letting the discussion derail other threads...We need to wake up.

It's disrespectful to use the latest shooting as a kick-off point for a discussion of gun control. You have to maintain a level of respect for a certain amount of time. This amount of time being, of course, exactly 5 days after the next shooting event.

 

[shinobi602]

I don't understand why America is obsessed with guns, why?

I'm a good guy. US citizen. I'm nice to people, try to be polite, etc, and have never started shit with anybody. I carry concealed. Why? Because the way I see society in this country, it's been going downhill, FAST.

People just don't give a shit anymore about hurting others. I don't LIKE violence. I don't like the concept of shooting a gun at someone. Violence isn't in my nature. But I just can't sit by, having a family of my own, unarmed and defenseless if someone tried to hurt me or my family.

That's the ONLY reason I carry. I actually find it sad that society has degraded to this point to make me feel this way. But, it is what it is...

 

[Shake Appeal]

I do not buy that gun ownership in the US is an uncontrollable force that simply cannot be effectively curbed, as some people seem to think.

There is the political problem of curbing it (or going so far as to scratch or radically rewrite the Second Amendment), and the logistical problem of reducing the existing number of weapons in circulation. It's hard to say which is more insoluble. Probably the former.

 

[David Incorporated Esq.]

I'm a good guy. US citizen. I'm nice to people, try to be polite, etc, and have never started shit with anybody. I carry concealed. Why? Because the way I see society in this country, it's been going downhill, FAST.

People just don't give a shit anymore about hurting others. I don't LIKE violence. I don't like the concept of shooting a gun at someone. Violence isn't in my nature. But I just can't sit by, having a family of my own, unarmed and defenseless if someone tried to hurt me or my family.

That's the ONLY reason I carry. I actually find it sad that society has degraded to this point to make me feel this way. But, it is what it is...

So.... paranoia?

 

[Bisnic]

I don't understand why America is obsessed with guns, why?

If you have a lot of guns in circulation in your country, many people are also going to buy some for their own protection. It sucks having to live with that fear i bet.

 

[Parch]

So gun control discussion is considered garbage?
Nice thread title.

 

[Valnen]

So.... paranoia?

You're kidding right?

 

[yn-neko hates a cat]

I don't understand why America is obsessed with guns, why?

I don't think most Americans are obsessed with guns. I do however believe that most citizens become wary of government telling them what they can and can't have.

 

[ghst]

so you made this thread so that every time someone brings up the primary issue at the very centre of civilian shooting threads, you can link them here and gobble the beach.

 

[SturokBGD]

Here's what us Brits think about Americans letting guns into the hands of crazy people.

Queen - Put out the Fire

"A gun never killed nobody, you can ask anyone. People get shot by people. People with guns..."

 

[Joni]

As not to derail the other thread:

Most people that are willing to shoot people on a street corner, are not first deterred by any gun law.

It is easier to spot people who are not concerned with gun law if only cops and criminals are carrying them. Strict gun laws exist for two reasons: making sure ordinary fights don't end up with people shooting each other (like someone shooting his neighbor or the Jehova's witnesses that knocked on his doors) and to make sure it is easy to see who is up to no good. In other countries normal people don't walk around with weapons.

 

[Shake Appeal]

In other countries normal people don't walk around with weapons.

In the UK, Ireland, and New Zealand, ordinary police don't even carry guns.

 

[DECK'ARD]

I do not buy that gun ownership in the US is an uncontrollable force that simply cannot be effectively curbed, as some people seem to think.

Yeah, that is what is hard to understand from a UK perspective.

After the Dunblane massacre we did something, and there hasn't been a school shooting since. Not saying the situation is comparable, but shouldn't at least something be done to try and stop it happening again?

If society can't protect you then it's failed, if it fails and you do nothing then doesn't some of the responsibility for that fall on those who did nothing when it happens again?

 

[Castor Krieg]

But I just can't sit by, having a family of my own, unarmed and defenseless if someone tried to hurt me or my family.

That's the ONLY reason I carry. I actually find it sad that society has degraded to this point to make me feel this way. But, it is what it is...

So you have no police force in the US, correct? And how do you explain all the other countries that have strict gun laws, yet you don't see mass shootings in cinemas, companies, etc.?

 

[Mammoth Jones]

So.... paranoia?

I don't see it as paranoia and I think it's intellectually dishonest to insinuate that. It's a poor argumentative tactic because one doesn't want to address someone's points that they disagree with.

I personally don't carry nor see the reason to. But I don't begrudge those that chose to.

 

[Valnen]

So you have no police force in the US, correct? And how do you explain all the other countries that have strict gun laws, yet you don't see mass shootings in cinemas, companies, etc.?

The police can't exactly teleport to you to defend you. Sometimes immediate defense is needed. Sometimes the cops are actually useless.

If someone breaks into your house you can't count on the police to get there in time to save you.

 

[David Incorporated Esq.]

You're kidding right?

A guy carries his gun to protect his family because he thinks that society is going downhill and is more dangerous than ever while the exact opposite is true? Why would I be kidding?

Edit:

I don't see it as paranoia and I think it's intellectually dishonest to insinuate that. It's a poor argumentative tactic because one doesn't want to address someone's points that they disagree with.

I personally don't carry nor see the reason to. But I don't begrudge those that chose to.

See above.

 

[yn-neko hates a cat]

So gun control discussion is considered garbage?
Nice thread title.

Not taking sides on the thread title controversy here but I imagine that by virtue of this topic being unwanted in other threads where it seems to clutter up the real topic for those threads, this thread became a basket for the unwanted topic. Now the discussion that gets dumped into this thread is only relatively considered trash. I assure you the opinions shared here are valuable and will change the world.

 

[Salvadora]

In the UK, Ireland, and New Zealand, ordinary police don't even carry guns.

They do in N.I