iRAWRasaurus
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Voting his ass out of offices when it's time.
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US House votes to adopt AHCA (Republican health care); bill moves to Senate
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LegalEagleMike
Member
everyone knows you have to pass a healthcare bill before you find out what is in it.
I guess their defense now is that this is all going to change in the Senate. My representative has had staffers telling people on the phone that it'll change in the Senate so just wait. People are bitching up a storm on Facebook that he told them flat out he wouldn't vote for anything that took away protections for pre-existing conditions.
LegalEagleMike
Member
It was time, he won big.
Mr_Antimatter
Member
Republicans and conservatives largely function as a personality cult who trusts only what the leader and party says. To them, any bad news is fake, and any bad policy is somehow the fault of liberals or democrats.
BronsonLee
Member
I'm starting to think there actually wasn't a bill of substance to read and that everybody in The House got on board because they knew the Senate was going to make their own and that this was more a symbolic thing
I'm gonna use that logic in my next job interview.
Interviewer: "Why should we hire you?"
Me: "Well, hire me and you'll find out!"
It's to create another enemy and a reason why they can't repeal Obamacare. If they let healthcare just die in the house the entire party just basically admits they are awful and they have to go back to elections with no real excuse. If it dies in the Senate then they can point their fingers at Schumer and the Democrats. Trump can have rallies against the enemy and those House republicans are back to the same thing they ran on the last 8 years. "I voted to repeal the awful Obamacare bill. Vote for me and I'll do it again!"
ForsakenLotus
Member
This bill was about 200 pages and was the second attempt at an astonishingly hated healthcare plan that affects 1/6 of our economy.
I DO expect every single representative to read THIS.
Fisticuffs
Member
This is why reasoning with the republican base is useless. Democrats have the numbers, all they need to do is be motivated to vote. We need a strong leader, that can rally the base like Obama did.
Pelosi was talking about the public, not herself.
In any event, it largely remains true. The healthcare system is so complex, composed of so many interlocking parts, that it's difficult to the point of impossibility to grasp the extent of both the intended and unintended effects of a huge seachange like ACA.
What we have here, however, is a GOP House conference that is actively hostile to anyone knowing the contents of this bill. As evidenced by the fact that they left the narrowest window possible for anyone who actually wanted to to read the thing, and rushed it to a vote before the CBO could even provide an estimate of its potential effects.
Flying Toaster
Member
This is how I am starting to view it. No one interviewed has read the damn thing.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
Starting to? It was obvious weeks ago.
Jmanunknown
Member
No it gives these vile people some plausible deniability with the people who voted for them. When they have to actually face their constituents and tell them look I am sorry I did not read the entire bill it gives them some cover because their supporters are either ignorant or just as vile of human beings as they are and they know it.
ForsakenLotus
Member
Maybe I'm naive but if they tell them they didn't read the bill that outrages your consituents I don't see that going over well. It's basically hey you fucked us over and didn't even care enough to know how or why.
ShironRedshift
Member
Seriously, it's their fucking job. It's one what we literally pay them for--$174,000 per year, in fact, to do exactly that. And not only is it what we pay them for, but with a bill like this in particular, that will affect millions of lives across the country. With that being the case, I would certainly hope they've dotted every I and crossed every T.
And it's interesting to me that Zaraki here is getting all bent out of shape over "optics" of Democrats doing some stupid chant, but suddenly the "optics" of admitting to not reading a bill that will affect millions of lives don't matter at and bends over backwards to try and excuse that and treat that as normal somehow. Even if it were to be normal, we're all upset at he Democrats because "optics" apparently so why do the "optics" of admitting to not reading the bill not matter at all? Do optics matter or not? Apparently stuff like childish singing will be the downfall of the D's because optics but optics suddenly don't matter anymore when it comes to not admitting if you've even read the thing? Yeah, no.
I totally get being upset. There's definitely a lot to be upset over here! That's normal! But if you're upset, channel that anger into something productive and be the change you want to see. Just getting angry doesn't by itself change anything and gets in the way if thinking clearly. So while I perfectly understand being upset, try and calm down and come back with a clear head because what your saying isn't making much sense at all right now.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
But that's not what you were complaining about so...?
I haven't said one way or the other except for the new mandate by certain people to personally read every page of a bill before voting.
Except this is still a lie. They can know what is in the bill even though they didn't read it completely... And let's be honest, Republicans aren't passing bills you don't like because they personally didn't read the entire bill. They know full well what they are signing up for and promoting.
BronsonLee
Member
Shit even if they didn't read a damn thing there are way better ways to put it than that
House Republicans could either read the bill or watch Ecks vs Sever and they chose the latter.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
You're going to be in for quite a shock when you realize that it's not just republicans that do this.
ForsakenLotus
Member
Let's talk this through.
Poster A: Maybe they can tell their constituents they didn't read it and they will get a pass.
Me: That would make things worse because they would be hurting people and the people would be even more resentful that they didn't care enough to read it.
So don't call me a liar.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
They doubled down on every procedure they (sometimes rightfully) criticized Democrats for.
This stopped being about policy after the first vote. It's pure politics.
Jmanunknown
Member
Your giving those people way too much credit. They knowingly voted those people into office and over 63 million people voted for Donald Trump who literally campaigned on screwing them over yet they still voted for him.
They watched Ecks vs Sever instead of Faceoff? These people truly are monsters.
it's doubly hilarious that it was used as a talking point against Dems TODAY in congress by reps. They were saying "WELL YOU DIDN'T READ THE BILL LIKE WE DID, SO YOU'RE FAKE NEWS WHEN YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT IT!1!"
Like, literally.
GoldenEye 007
Member
It's fucking insulting to compare the hell the ACA went through leading up to it's vote versus the backroom, hasty 24 hour, blind bill the AHCA is.
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
I know.
Not only that but the ACA took the time effort to get those major medical involved for it (ama, aha, ana, ada, aarp, march for dimes.. etc)
The gop got no one. Not one.
They did everything they complained about in the ACA process and then turned it up to 11.
It's like someone being a passenger in your car bitching that you're going 70 in a 65 then you get in their car and then go 120 while texting.
CrocMother
Banned
The Senate has basically replaced Barack Obama for the House. The only reason they got some balls and voted is because they knew nothing would come of it.
ForsakenLotus
Member
I probably am, but I think a lot of people didn't think about the details of Trump's rhetoric or even if he meant it/it was true.
With healthcare especially, I don't think too many people are going to just take their word for it when everybody else is screaming how terrible it is and how they are being lied to.
I hope it's not naivety on my part.
Well, the ACA actually got passed.
Odds are this won't, at least not in its current form. And I doubt that Trump has the ability to bring the warring factions in the GOP together to get this done.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
Prepare to get piled on for daring to express realistic doubt about a situation.
BigWeather
Member
Trying to find a silver lining here...
Not only does this jeopardize many federal Republicans but it should also really affect state Republicans in normally solid red states. This bill pushes a lot of the decision making to the states, and it will be those legislatures that will have to vote on high risk pools, whether to protect pre-existing conditions, etc. I wouldn't be surprised to see some states shift purple or blue -- crucial in some states like mine, North Carolina.
Not only does this jeopardize many federal Republicans but it should also really affect state Republicans in normally solid red states. This bill pushes a lot of the decision making to the states, and it will be those legislatures that will have to vote on high risk pools, whether to protect pre-existing conditions, etc. I wouldn't be surprised to see some states shift purple or blue -- crucial in some states like mine, North Carolina.
Grizzle_Dat
Banned
You mean we don't have to pass the bill before we know whats in it ?
I dunno. Seems like a crucial chunk of people just vote R no matter what.
DangerMouse
Member
Yup.
This. At every turn they revel in being willfully fucking stupid to the point that they have no issue routinely voting for things that are completely against their own interest, often in exchange for heinous things, even when it's explained that they are willfully fucking themselves over they don't give a shit. Things that will significantly hurt their own lives directly in exchange for being allowed to remain completely ignorant of the facts on virtually any topic.
These people don't want to help themselves.
We don't live in this world no mo.
Fancyarcher
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A Serious Man
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PSA made the point today that if the Senate sends a bill back to the House, it will likely pass. Even though it will probably be much more moderate, at that point the Freedom Caucus will be the only thing standing in the way of repealing Obamacare and even if they don't like the bill, don't want to be the ones who save Obamacare. They basically folded on this bill as it's still Obamacare lite, just with a couple of their shitty ideas thrown on top.
BigWeather
Member
Normally, yes, but when a good percentage of them lose coverage, or see their premiums skyrocket, I think some will wake up.
orangutang
Neo Member
This is why I'd have zero sympathy for any Trump voters( or republican voters really) who would end up getting harmed by lost healthcare.
"Some of President Trump's proposed spending cuts would cripple programs that benefit communities full of his rural supporters, but at least in Strong City, Kan., some say they are ready 'to bleed a little bit.'"
Let the ones who vote like this bleed out then
Escape Goat
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Jmanunknown
Member
How is this even close to obamacare lite? The two bills are nothing similar. Trumpcare is heinous. A lot of people stand to lose coverage or get denied because of their bs which include people with pre existing conditions such as rape, postpartum depression, cesarean sections, and domestic violence. Also companies can also deny coverage for gynecological services and mammograms. Also on top of that this Trumpcare, will strip Medicaid funding for special needs and disabled students.
Remember how Republicans whipped the public into a frenzy by making up bullshit about "death panels" in Obamacare? How quaint that seems now.
BoosterDuck
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this looks like a Marvel Studios scene where Hydra agents get revealed in public https://twitter.com/aravosis/status/860240955311624194
what a fucking joke
what a fucking joke
A Serious Man
Member
From the point of view of the Freedom Caucus. This bill still has the government set up individual markets and regulate the healthcare industry.
Joyful
Member
thats one smug asshole