Ziltoidia 9
Member
Trump just said Australia has better health care than we do.
They have single payer.
They have single payer.
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US House votes to adopt AHCA (Republican health care); bill moves to Senate
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Ooops..?
Yeah. I guess it depends on if the HFC is really not willing to go any less bad.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
Here's the problem. Let's say you already voted once for this and took your victory lap today, your polling numbers take a hit since you were already vulnerable. Now the Senate passes their version and you have to take another vote on something completely different.
It still doesn't make sense.
It still doesn't make sense.
EatinOlives
Member
The problem is that you guys just weren't nice enough.
Oh well, off he goes to vote Trump in 2020. We had it coming :'(
MidgarBlowedUp
Member
My question is, if they pretty much gut healthcare, make it so the insurance providers can deny helping you even if you have insurance, what's the point of paying for health insurance?
Why should I pay $500 a month for a service if they just turn around and decide not to help pay when I need it?
I mean, isn't that what this bill is proposing?
Why should I pay $500 a month for a service if they just turn around and decide not to help pay when I need it?
I mean, isn't that what this bill is proposing?
Well, yes. Every citizen is covered here, funded by taxes. Wait, is he supporting Universal Healthcare now, or is he just being an ignorant fool? Do I even need to ask? It's the latter, isn't it?
assuming the senate passes anything
ForsakenLotus
Member
I guess that's why I'm trying to see if there is something they are basis this idea on. It just seems like such a bold faced lie that even republican constituents were screaming about.
It's so craven and absurd that I'm grasping for straws. Like, there has to be something they are basing the statement on, right?
SomewhatGroovy
Banned
Trump has vouched for universal in past. Today he has to pander to his bosses.
Yeah. That's what I'm thinking. Is the HFC really going to say 'no' after they've all done victory laps?
Ziltoidia 9
Member
To be honost, I dont even think he knows the issue inside or out. He just knows:
BILLS ARE GOOD. LETS PASS BILL. WIN WIN WIN.
He's probably just as misinformed as the conservatives who wanted to move to Canada to escape government health care like Obamacare.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Trump was meeting with the Aussie PM, he is just repeating the last person he spoke to.
He supported UHC for years.
It stopped when he ran for office.
It was "too late to do single payer" that were his words during a debate when there were 400 other sociopaths running for the same ticket.
Psychoward
Banned
My wife is about to be a nurse anesthetist in the US. They make VERY good money. It's a very specialized field.
Unfortunately this position doesn't exist in Canada. If it did, we'd probably be considering moving to Canada. We already live in Minnesota, we're almost Canadian anyway
Why doesn't it exist in Canada though? Do they just have other doctors handle those duties too?
Aaronology
Member
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
Yep, it's getting scary now. Mitch McConnell is an assole but he's a legislative powerhouse and I guarantee he will get some form of this out of the Senate. It might be a little less terrible than it is now but it will still fuck over millions of people.
Once he gets it out of the Senate the house will have to swallow it and they will. Then boom goes the dynamite.
Get it out of the Senate... Only to go back to the House and feel the wrath of the Tea Baggers again.
He's not a magician.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
There's a good reason why Dems barely did it with a super majority after 70 years of Congress not being able to do anything, healthcare is the toughest legislative action to get through.
Anything done in the Senate requires reconciliation or 60 votes.
LudicrousSpeed
Member
Wow. So he could have fought for one good thing in his life but he deliberately chose not to. Ugh, what an ugly man.
Psychoward
Banned
Man, almost that entire video is an attack ad itself if this shit ever goes through.
Was just about to post this.
TheOctodad
Member
No clue. Different countries have different models and my guess is Canada uses purely doctors for anesthesia. It's a little bit competitive in the states between MDs and Nurses in this field.
Other countries do have something similar (Denmark, Iceland, France) but it would be a lot hard with the language barriers
Walter White
Member
He's a man that says one thing and does another, and people are simply too dumb enough to believe it.
I'm sure people actually believe him when he said, today, that the AHCA will not be worse than the ACA, that Medicaid won't be gutted, that preexisting conditions can never return.
What he says and what happens almost seem like they're intentional dualities. He likely went against the idea of UHC because Republicans, being the vile parasites they are to human life, really believe the idea of public solidarity is just for Communists or something.
Those poor, dumb bastards.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
Member
Most of them genuinely believe that the ways in which American healthcare is better than other countries' healthcare is a superior superiority to the "partisan" UN stats showing all the countries that beat us, then will inevitably link you yo some fringe case of a person dying on a gurney in an NHS clinic to show you what socialized medicine is REALLY like. Oh, and if you point out current market failures, they just tell you it's too much government regulation and that letting the market handle it would fix it. It's a damn religion with these people.
Would it be possible that all these sick people just move to blue states to take advantage of the medical coverage there?
Unknown Soldier
Member
They won't want to be around the liberals so that's kind of an impossible concept to them.
Golden Darkness
Member
Apparently on the Facebook page of Senator Rob Portman:
Arrogant Bastard
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Wonder if there is correlation to poverty and medicaid enrollment in those states. I would be surprised if they could afford to move is what I'm saying.
Maybe this could be the wake-up call they need?
Granted, those areas tend to be echo chambers, with the original echoes resonating several generations back. Any moment of clarity will just be beaten down by mob mentality & they go back to loving the people that almost killed them like they were a damn sports team.
ForsakenLotus
Member
Watching Maddow and seeing these people's stories and I'm thinking about myself, my sister, my brother in law, my dad, my niece, my nephew. All of us have something insurance companies would label as a pre-existing condition. My heart is breaking right now.
These people are just evil.
These people are just evil.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
:lol So much anger in this post but you're so ignorant on the subject.
Budget reconciliation is their only chance and they still need to do it to become a law. Something passing the house doesn't make it a law. SMFH
If democrats have proven anything today it's just how incredibly inept and stupid they still are. It's mind boggling to say but it's literally like the Republicans are playing chess while the Democrats are playing checkers. The childish singing, the presumption that people will now leave the republicans in droves and they'll swing back to majority in the various branches of government while putting in no effort, being to afraid to speak up and label things like the republicans did and just overall be bad at affecting voters. They have so many golden opportunities to bring people into their party and what do they do? They sing stupid shit on the house floor, enjoy the 8 years of Trump and republican majority because they can't get over their self righteous finger wagging to actually get people united for a cause. The stupidity to act this cocky after doing so for about a decade but accomplishing barely anything and now losing all power is just incredible. Keep taking the L Dems and keep the glorious infighting we see even here about how certain Dems should shut up and continue your purity tests for righteousness.
Not to be a pedant but we don't have single payer but we have a mixed system where majority are covered by a public option paid into via taxes called Medicare (WONDER WHERE WE GOT THAT IDEA FROM) but private cover exists if you want it.
It doesn't detract from your overall point though, we have universal Heath care through a system similar in part to single payer.
NorthAndSouth
Member
As a Canadian I'm honestly shocked at how the US is regressing in this regard. I do hope for the sake of so many people who didn't vote Trump, and just for all those who need universal healthcare that this stupid bill doesn't pass.
If this calamity does come to fruition, I really do hope karma comes back to bite the deplorables who voted Trump and these ugly Republicans in.
Just disgusting to watch these politicians playing with people's lives.
If this calamity does come to fruition, I really do hope karma comes back to bite the deplorables who voted Trump and these ugly Republicans in.
Just disgusting to watch these politicians playing with people's lives.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
Republicans were singing the same song and gained 60 seats that following House election.
I think some of you go after the easy targets because obviously the other side doesn't give a shit what you think so it's pointless to lash out at them. But Democrats need you and have to listen to you so they are like a conduit for your helpless rage.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
And yet half the country says those people actively fucking you over are more palatable to be around so what does that say about your party?
Maybe they will gain seats but they have been whining for a decade about how evil the republicans are and they've done nothing but lose more and more seats causing them to lose more and more power. And after showing how out of touch and inept you are at running campaigns you decide to preemptively pat yourselves on the back with mockingly singing and already counting the lost seats that republicans likely won't give up. Like how tone deaf and clueless to the world outside do you have to be?
Psychoward
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More specifically, brown, black and gay people.
Yep. Literally had someone tell me how the ACA was Socialism and how the free market system will fix it.
As I've said earlier in the thread, the free market is an abstraction hijacked by greed and collusion. More specifically, the rentierism fueled by neoliberal Capitalist ideology.
Like a religious habit, it may only be in death does one lose the nonsense...
ForsakenLotus
Member
You mean what does it say about them...
A quarter of the country and they were conned and or bigoted.
Psychoward
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I've read this 5 times and still don't understand what you're trying to say.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
Cool, then please enjoy your democratic party being a minority small enough to not even cause a speed bump when new legislation, supreme court nominees, etc. come up. Problem solved!
Voting populace is what matters and if they were conned then why do still such a high number of Trump supporters support and view Trump favorably still? Like Trump has given them enough ammunition for years and they're still not capitalizing.