Valkyria Azure Revolution Extended Trailer [Soriku-approved topics only]
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DannyDanger
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Eh? Did you already preorder the physical version?
I'm getting both the physical and digital versions of the remaster, because the physical one has some excellent preorder bonuses.
No i'm just being cheap... lol (i didnt plan on buying the jpn VC:Remaster)
They're releasing the demo in a month. Also there's details on the site that were translated by Ryouga. They haven't really been hiding anything.
http://dokidokikusoge.tumblr.com/post/137709589086/valkyria-azure-revolution-deets-from-this-weeks
http://dokidokikusoge.tumblr.com/post/137709589086/valkyria-azure-revolution-deets-from-this-weeks
captainpat
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This game is giving me a the last remnant vibe.
Ragnorok64
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I mean, they could have pretty much just named the character Selvaria again and had her be a character that appears in every Valkyria continuity, like Cid in Final Fantasy or The Fallen in Transformers.
I totally can understand the confusion because if you stood the characters next to each other in the same outfit they'd be almost impossible to tell apart.
Suzushiiro
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Can't wait for gameplay, but I'm guessing that they're not going to reveal that until the demo hits, since it's probably better to put the game in peoples' hands and have them see for themselves than try to describe it. Or maybe I'm giving Sega too much credit here.
Game might be good. I just don't like the character designs. Seems to be a continuation of the route Valkyria Chronicles 2 started. I couldn't stand the characters in that game.
I guess I just don't like modern anime character designs in general anymore. The female antagonist(?) in the trailer just looked generic to me. Selvaria at least had an elegant officer's uniform look going on. The two male MC just looks like a high school kid dropped onto the battlefield, thus the comparison to VC2. Is Persona 3 what started the whole high school simulator trend in JRPGs?
This isn't just for this trailer, but recent Japanese games in general: Mainly I don't like how most character designs handle clothing these days. It tends to look too busy, and in a tacky way at that. I know Nomura isn't a new thing, but you can definitely even see the differences between his work on FFVII and his work on FFXIII. I'd pin it on designers not knowing when to stop drawing characters now that they have the processing power for thousands and thousands more polygons compared to the PS1, but pretty much the same thing happened in anime and manga. The other shift I don't like is what happened to proportions. I don't know if it's just me, but to me it seems like most anime and Japanese game characters were proportioned slightly more realistically, for lack of a better word, prior to maybe the mid-2000's. After then they seem proportioned in a way so as to deliberately look younger and cuter. Compare say, the character designs of Final Fantasy VIII, to a lot of today's high schoolers in anime and games.
I guess I just don't like modern anime character designs in general anymore. The female antagonist(?) in the trailer just looked generic to me. Selvaria at least had an elegant officer's uniform look going on. The two male MC just looks like a high school kid dropped onto the battlefield, thus the comparison to VC2. Is Persona 3 what started the whole high school simulator trend in JRPGs?
This isn't just for this trailer, but recent Japanese games in general: Mainly I don't like how most character designs handle clothing these days. It tends to look too busy, and in a tacky way at that. I know Nomura isn't a new thing, but you can definitely even see the differences between his work on FFVII and his work on FFXIII. I'd pin it on designers not knowing when to stop drawing characters now that they have the processing power for thousands and thousands more polygons compared to the PS1, but pretty much the same thing happened in anime and manga. The other shift I don't like is what happened to proportions. I don't know if it's just me, but to me it seems like most anime and Japanese game characters were proportioned slightly more realistically, for lack of a better word, prior to maybe the mid-2000's. After then they seem proportioned in a way so as to deliberately look younger and cuter. Compare say, the character designs of Final Fantasy VIII, to a lot of today's high schoolers in anime and games.
Can't think of a single one.
Edit: Oh wait, they dared to design a big breasted character, preposterous! Grab the pitchforks!
It's called variety. Might want to consider embracing it.
Talk about delusional...
So we've gotten to the point where the topics have to be constantly sidetracked because of people's personal distaste of modern anime character designs, even though Valkyria has basically always been as anime/mu as it gets.
That's fine if you have that opinion, but it really has nothing to do with this game itself, so its really off topic. My advice is to stay away from games that have any modern anime art style designed games by default.
Leave it to those of us who actually want to discuss the game
What else do we have to discuss (I assumed the other thread was about the argument over the boobs specifically)? All we have is a trailer with no gameplay. All it shows us for the time being are the characters. I'm just reacting to what's in the trailer.
And I also think what we've seen in that trailer shows a stark contrast compared even to the original Valkyria Chronicles. A shift is definitely apparent in the way SEGA has tried to market and sell the games following the original, from the switch to the school setting with younger characters, to the switch in platforms for VC 2 and 3. This trailer just looks like more of that (but with a return to home consoles).
Edit: All I can say about the game is pure speculation at this point based entirely on assumptions it MIGHT be an action RPG along with one screenshot.
It would be cool if SEGA tried to make some kind of strategy/action RPG mix, but to my knowledge such a game is extremely rare -- essentially an untapped genre fusion. The closest examples I can think of are games like Kingdom Under Fire (which I haven't played) and possibly Mount & Blade. Maybe it could end up being a combination of typical ARPG elements with something like Musou or an RTS, where you're fighting on a battlefield alongside hundreds of units all reacting dynamically to the conditions in play. I won't hold my breath though. If that happened SEGA would be breaking some pretty interesting new ground for console RPGs which is the kind of thing we need in the jump to a new generation of hardware.
VC3's designs are really not that different from the first game's. Sure, there's a few characters with unique outfits that stand out a bit more, but it's really not that big of a change. It's the same outfits as the first game except in a darker shade.
Also, yeah, VC2 specifically shifted towards a school setting, but it was a one-off and it's proven by at least some market research that 'school settings' were, and still are, a big draw for sales. Hell, even FF got in on the action with Type-0.
Well yeah, considering its not Chronicles it would be different.
Fire Emblem too, right? And he's not an artist really, but even Anno has been involved with porn.
this is why she has full hentai boobies. I watched the trailer and was like "oh my god no" Then reorganized my doujin collection.
This game could be good but if I enjoy it, it's probably not because of anything I liked Valkyria Chronicles for. That MC with his giant sword rushing in middle of a gun fight like some shonen super power anime doesn't exactly hit the same notes as Welkin, his squad and strategic tank/troop battles that had a unique balance between fantasy and WWII. I get it this isn't SRPG but I'm not sure why it even exists as a Valkyria game. Worst kind of spin off. They could make an action RPG Valkyria game or something else, but when someone makes an spin off in another genre, at least it tries to keep the subject somewhat relevant so that it appeals to the fans. Not like this.
Maybe when they finally release proper footage I change my tone, but if it plays like that Shining game for PS3, I probably won't care about it. So far everything that has happened since the original game, seems like a series of horrible horrible decisions. I hope I'm wrong about this game.
I didn't talk about female designs here, hopefully this post counts as "Soriku approved".
Maybe when they finally release proper footage I change my tone, but if it plays like that Shining game for PS3, I probably won't care about it. So far everything that has happened since the original game, seems like a series of horrible horrible decisions. I hope I'm wrong about this game.
I didn't talk about female designs here, hopefully this post counts as "Soriku approved".
Pound_lb003
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This goes for me. Good post. And I think it's important to discuss, people are ignorant of there even being an issue and it bothers me.
Are you even that titillated by it? Probably not, so why if it exists to that end, does a character have to look like that.
It just damages the tone of the game. Any good writing is undermined by the constant reminder that you shouldn't be taking the charavters seriously.
If you have trouble taking a female character seriously because of the size of her breasts, you might want to consider what that says about yourself.
lasrmountedmoai
Member
Look, Selvaria was really blatently intended to get people's attention, but they also made a really compelling character. Initially I wrote off the trailer because honestly I think it looks like garbage, but looking back I thought the same thing about Valkyria Chronicles until I gave it a shot.
With that said, the restraint displayed in the design of the world and characters in VC seems wholly absent here and I'm keeping my expectations low.
With that said, the restraint displayed in the design of the world and characters in VC seems wholly absent here and I'm keeping my expectations low.
Why is "restraint" something that matters in a fantasy video game? They've already said that this is a more overtly magical world than the original game.
Also even the original VC had pretty much thrown "restraint" out the window by the the end of the game
What with the hovercraft battleship death cannon, yeah.
CrackPebbles
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Looking good, and I love this new Valkyria's design.
Scrooge McDuck
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How is a game visual style off-topic? What if I disliked the music in the trailer? "What you actually dislike is vocal songs and that has nothing to do with the game itself"?
I understand the annoyance of having the flow of a conversation steered into something you don't care about by people with different tastes than you, to paint it as actually irrelevant comes off as really arrogant.
Soriku complained that discussing the breasts shown in the trailer is not actually discussing the trailer, so the mods split the topic into this one and the breasts one.
Oh, that's even worse than I thought.
I'm sorry if i came off that way, its not my intention at all.
it just feels like every time a topic about this game comes up, its always about how "ew the art style sucks cause its SO ANIME" or "lol boobs, how disgusting".
Like..i understand we have a small amount of things to talk about based on what we've seen, but what about the scenario, or the enviorments, or what the battle system might be like? Soriku also got tapped for this, it just feels like people are so insistent on diverting the topic away from those of us who want to really talk or speculate about what the game will be like substantively.
lasrmountedmoai
Member
Because it makes the world consistent and, frankly, appealing to people who might otherwise look elsewhere for entertainment. The game took on a fairly serious topic in, yes, a fantastic setting, and the character designs were for the most part treated respectfully. Even Selvaria, who was given far more character development than one might expect.
And yeah, the game goes way over the top at the end, and I was put off by it, but everything that lead to that final battle made it worth it.
chrominance
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Exercising restraint can just be a desirable aesthetic choice. Maybe one of the things that appealed to some people (yeah I basically just mean me) about the original game was how it incorporated its fantasy elements in what was otherwise a pretty down-to-earth military drama.
(Let's ignore the dumb pig mascot for the moment, because I sure don't recognize her existence. And yeah, it gets pretty wild with the fantasy elements by the end.)
I mean, if the new Valkyria wants to lean harder into the fantasy elements and leave behind the World War II aesthetic in favour of a more abstract guns'n'swords theme, fine. I've made my peace with that personally. But there's nothing that says "oh games should objectively not care about restraint!" or "oh games should objectively care about restraint!" It's just people expressing their personal preference.
I'm glad there's a topic about the preview that's not just boobsgate, because while I do have opinions on the subject, it just feels like a conversation that never goes anywhere on GAF. But besides that, there's just not a whole lot to discuss. We don't know how the game really plays, besides that magazine preview that I can't even find in the thread anymore (need to look closer). A couple of music making-of videos and a trailer that's mostly cutscene footage we've already seen is fun to watch, I guess, but it's not the game. We still don't know very much about the game. We don't even know what the story is or who the characters are; we literally only know about what they look like (unless I missed another magazine preview). In lieu of that, I'm not that surprised that people are nitpicking the tiny details because we have so little else to say besides "yup that music is nice."
man wouldn't it be nice if people stopped using "anime" as a catch-all descriptor for things they don't like?
I mean, how much more anime could Valkyria Chronicles possibly get? IT EVEN IS AN ANIME!
This is no more "anime" then the series has ever been.
Yeah, loved that down to earth military drama, where superpowered ladies fired laser beams across battlefields.
Also, "down to earth" is not in any way superior to "highly fantastic" unless you feel that the latter is somehow a lesser way to structure a story.
Which would be a very silly position to hold, right?
So a world with fantastical elements can't be consistent? What?
Like, I get that you're talking about -your preferences-, that's fine, but the way you and others phrase it... it's like your suspension of disbelief halts the minute anything overly non-mundane happens onscreen. I don't feel that's a healthy way to look at fiction.
VC1 literally has love blooming on the battlefield. It's as anime as you can get.
What -is- "too anime" in the sense you're using it, though, was VC2 moving to a high school setting, which actually was godawful. V:AR is already an improvement over that tripe.
I guess so...i guess the only thing to really do is wait for more information or the demo that comes with VCR, but i'm really hoping that by that point, the derision over boobsgate and animegate passes in favor of more things game related.
chrominance
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I didn't say it had to appeal to everyone. I just said "some people," implying that other people can feel differently. And frankly? Yeah, it did feel more down-to-earth. Compare it to any Tales game, where a bunch of teenagers and small children romp around a lush fantasy land wearing ridiculous costumes and using special magic powers to obliterate all kinds of massive monsters and put a stop to multiple world-ending threats. And I say this as someone who also enjoys playing Tales games. Super-powered laser-wielding soldiers are still ridiculous, sure, but I felt like Valkyria Chronicles made it easier to suspend disbelief for that one thing partially because it was melded pretty artfully into an otherwise "mundane" setting.
Also: I never said "down to earth" was objectively superior to "highly fantastic" because the concept of one being superior to other makes no sense unless you're talking about personal preference. I wouldn't tell you that you were wrong for liking more fantastical games; why are you here trying to tell me that liking the original VC because it felt more realistic is wrong? It's literally a subjective opinion with no logic required to back it up.
It probably won't go away, but I think as more concrete details come out the conversation will become more productive.
What the fuck has Ayamo Kojima done since 2005? A couple art books and some re-releases of games that featured her work? Is there something I'm missing?
No, no, that's Dragon Quest you're thinking of. Dragon Quest.
And my subjective opinion is that I disagree with your subjective opinions
Thats how opinions work.
Thats how discussion works.
But mostly it comes down to people judging a game based on virtually no information, and making sweeping conclusions about it and its characters based on nothing but THE SIZE OF THEIR TITS.
Yes, Valkyria Chronicles does seem to be more "realistic" than this game, but thats also meaningless because this is explicitly not the same setting. Thats the entire point.
Its like complaining that two different Final Fantasy games feel completely different in their settings. Correct, but not a particularly useful or interesting observation.
For all you know you'll end up loving this setting, but the first thing you jump at is "its different and I don't like it"
Come on, thats just lazy.
Hyouka, what a good experience.
I agree with this (though I haven't played any Shining games... despite having all of them on Steam).
Exactly. I'm not gonna say this game's entire art style is terrible based on one trailer, but even if you're doing fantasy or anime or whatever, knowing when to exercise some restraint and when to have some consistency with the visual style can go a long way. In my opinion the three main characters stuck out a lot from the others in the background, like they were three typical anime characters dropped into the world of VC1, but that's just me.
lasrmountedmoai
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I love how on one hand I'm told my opinion is fine and then immediately also told I have an unhealthy way of looking at a medium.
I get some people on here feel strongly about it but you're not going to change my taste by telling me I'm not thinking about a thing I already love in the right way.
Valkyria Chronicles, whether it intended to or not, connected with a lot of people outside of anime fandom. They latched on to things despite the anime tropes, not because of them. Those tropes being magnified in the sequels don't resonate with me because they weren't what drew me to the game. I mean Sega knows what they're doing, they know what anime fans want and they're making sure they get it in Valkyria. That's not what drew me to it and the trailer simply seems jarring to me.
Based on the trailer and everything I've read about it, this game is capitalizing on the name and the acclaim of Valkyria Chronicles but doesn't embrace what made the first game great. No amount of telling me I'm not seeing it right is going to change that for me.
I came here to state my perspective, as a fan. I had no idea how little I shared with the people I thought were of like-mind.
Feel free to pick apart every single thing I've said to prove me wrong, if only to make yourself feel better. Peace.
I get some people on here feel strongly about it but you're not going to change my taste by telling me I'm not thinking about a thing I already love in the right way.
Valkyria Chronicles, whether it intended to or not, connected with a lot of people outside of anime fandom. They latched on to things despite the anime tropes, not because of them. Those tropes being magnified in the sequels don't resonate with me because they weren't what drew me to the game. I mean Sega knows what they're doing, they know what anime fans want and they're making sure they get it in Valkyria. That's not what drew me to it and the trailer simply seems jarring to me.
Based on the trailer and everything I've read about it, this game is capitalizing on the name and the acclaim of Valkyria Chronicles but doesn't embrace what made the first game great. No amount of telling me I'm not seeing it right is going to change that for me.
I came here to state my perspective, as a fan. I had no idea how little I shared with the people I thought were of like-mind.
Feel free to pick apart every single thing I've said to prove me wrong, if only to make yourself feel better. Peace.
chrominance
Member
Okay. I don't remember saying anything about the size of anyone's breasts or anything, and I don't remember writing off Azure Revolution (just being more cautious because it is so different, and also I literally said in this thread that we have so little to judge the game on), but it's not really important. I hope you're right and that I'll enjoy Azure Revolution, assuming it comes over to the West.
lasrmountedmoai
Member
You can't say this is how discussion works and then call the other person's opinion "Lazy." That's not how discussion works. That's how accusation works. That's how an attempt to invalidate a perspective works.