cj_iwakura
Member
Compared to Benedict-Palpatine, he's practically a gay rights advocate.
Vatican fires priest after he comes out as gay
- Thread starter NotTheGuyYouKill
- Start date
- Status
Compared to Benedict-Palpatine, he's practically a gay rights advocate.
IdreamofHIME
Member
He was fired for acting on his lust, not for being gay.
Its like the number 1 rule if being a priest, your dick is for peeing only.
Its like the number 1 rule if being a priest, your dick is for peeing only.
...Go on...
I don't mind bombs falling in another country, but I also don't like when they kill too close to home.
You Know Nothing
Member
Legit belly laughs every fucking time. The best.
Where did you let them touch you during confession?
super-famicom
Member
You seem surprised. That's what the Bible is literally about with anything it labels as sin. Jesus didn't mind sinners, he hung out with them, but he was firm about the consequences of sin. Since the Catholic Church and the Bible view homosexual acts as sexually immoral acts, they view them as sin, regardless of who or what commits them.
The doctrine doesn't mind gay people as people themselves, but it won't advocate homosexual acts because it views the acts as sexually immoral (same as heterosexual sex out of wedlock) and the very founding scriptures of its identity have viewed it as so for millennia.
But this is about the partner. If the priest had revealed that he was in a heterosexual affair he probably would have been fired or disciplined too, because he broke the vows he made.
He hasn't said or done anything that the church hasn't said or done before he took the office.
The main difference is that Pope Benedict was a less charismatic, more intellectual theoretical theologian while Pope Francis is a more charismatic, down-to-earth person. But the church's positions have not changed. The media is just reporting everything he says with an unwarranted spin.
For instance, his remark about "who am I to judge" the gays did not imply that he thinks that gay relationships are ok. The church has long said that homosexuality is not a sin as long as you don't act on it. "Who am I to judge" is just a diplomatic way to answer the question he was asked and also fully in line with catholic doctrine that judgement is not men's but god's responsibility. (Which obviously never hindered people to judge in god's name). In the same interview he said about homosexuality that "The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains this very well." Everybody can read up what the catechism has to say on that issue...
People are just longing for a more progressive shift in the church and are thus willing to interpret everything he says or does accordingly. He certainly puts a focus on humanitarian messages, which is a good thing, and I fully believe that he is sincere in this focus. But he is also a conservative catholic with all the bullshit that comes with that. Another helping factor is that most people, including most catholics, have little knowledge about their own faith and its doctrines, and thus can't put his statements into proper context.
diffusionx
Gold Member
more like Krzystof Charisma amirite
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
Awkward comment.
What's more progressive about this Pope? he's better at PR than Benedict, nothing else.
Hell, he took the time (in May) to defend a bishop that covered a pedophile priest in Chile (he even said that everything was "lies of the lefties"). He's the same shit as his predecesors just smarter.
Are we really going down that route GAF.
AcademicSaucer
Member
every priest you have met ?
So basically... he broke his vows? I mean, it is a total no no even if the partner is from the opposite sex since they have a chastity vote...
===
) but dealing with ones accused of horrible horribles crime that will put in doubt the trust that people have in them? Oh boy! you better BET that they are going to try to hide that shit at all costs if they can.
===
Yikes...
===
Dealing with a priest that broke his vows with another consenting adult it's not really a big deal in the grand scheme of things tbh (Father Alberto is a recent example
or the priest of my local church according to my grandmother
===
Yikes...
Seth Enosh
Member
The church accepts married priests but does not accept priests marrying (this is a very ancient tradition also), Eastern Catholic priests can only marry before their ordination. Same goes for priests in the west on occasion, as there is a limited permission since the 1940s to accept Lutheran and Anglican ministers who convert - they can remain married and also be ordained Catholic priests.
Considering the CDFs job in the Vatican is basically to vet moral theology it's not really surprising they'd fire this guy who's very publicly renouncing his priesthood and catholic teachings anyway.
Which is the point. He had a secret partner that started after he began his priesthood. Once he came out with his partner, he did not expect to stay on as a priest as stated in the OP.
Manmademan
Member
interestingly enough, there IS a loophole that allows catholic priests to be married with wives.
Episcopalian priests are allowed to marry. If the parish end up converting to catholicism (they're very close) and moving over to a catholic church, they're permitted to stay married.
Langdon Alger
Banned
Yeah, don't fall for the cool Pope hype. The Catholic church is stll very backward.
old manatee
Banned
But I thought the Pope was good guy now. 
Not all. But yes, I'm willing to be a bigger proportion of priests are gay when compared to the rest of the population.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
If you don't agree with the rules of your religion, you have to question why you are even subscribing to that religion.
Maybe he doesn't see Catholicism as incompatible with homosexuality. I'm guessing most gay Christians probably don't. He could've also been in denial and only recently decided that it was okay.
michaelius
Banned
This was big part of evening news in Poland and apparently that priest hired PR agency to organize his coming out event.
Ugh. It sounds like one of those coming out videos on YouTube, where the person coming out is secretly recording the reactions of their parents and pretending the whole thing was spontaneous.
I mean it's not the same thing. But you can find the similarities somewhere in there.
notworksafe
Member
Why does that stop you from changing it to something more accurate?
Emperor Bohe
Member
HUELEN10
Member
sigh...
I feel like this is a misunderstanding of the church labeling something as a sin, as humans we are constantly sinning. It is impossible to not sin.
It's idiots acting like a particular sin is worse than their own sins, which is basically the opposite of Christian teaching.
Rabbi_Vole
Banned
He should have consulted with Matt Damon first.
Red Mage
Member
Epsilon-delta
Banned
Misleading title is misleading.
Breaking vow of celibacy = fired.
Breaking vow of celibacy = fired.
Garrett 2U
Member
Why didn't you bold this part?
"announced he was gay and had a partner"
Priests are supposed to be celibate.
"announced he was gay and had a partner"
Priests are supposed to be celibate.
DonasaurusRex
Online Ho Champ
im shocked, no wait im not
I kind of agree but also it's not "force" it's "require". Entering the priesthood is voluntary.
witchedwiz
Member
This..
People are reacting at the church against homosexualit Spiel..
Everybody is ignoring the fact that the sexual preference is a second issue here..
The priest admitted having a relationship while under vows..
That's enough to get kicked out....
witchedwiz
Member
It's his choice to join the church..
Man of faith, helping the church without upholding celibacy is a deacon, and that's TOTALLY different from a priest..
A priest is a priest and celibacy is required by their doctrine.. Not cool? Don't priest-suit-up and just be a deacon if you feel strongly...
TheKingOfPain
Member
According to the Canon Law can. 277 & 1037, he can't.
A married laic can become a deacon (can. 1037), but an unmarried man who becomes a deacon cannot get married afterwards.
I really don't get where do some people get this priest=gay thing. If I had a nickel for every priest with "lovers" or even sons and daughters...
I don't know if Papa Marketing has already said anything about this matter, but what I know is this asshole has spoken
He feels ashamed for him, not surprised.
Then I look at his fingers, and suddenly I stop caring.
Cloro al clero.
michaelius
Banned
http://fakty.interia.pl/tylko-u-nas/news-ksiadz-charamsa-ogral-media,nId,1898418
source in Polish so google translate is needed
Charamza had interviews with "Wprost", "Newsweek", "Gazeta Wyborcza" and TVN (3 big press titles in Poland and one of top TV channels). He promised exclusivity on his coming out to each of them
While promising exclusive material he already had coming out conference scheduled in Rome.
And he also has book prepared for publishing soon.
source in Polish so google translate is needed
Charamza had interviews with "Wprost", "Newsweek", "Gazeta Wyborcza" and TVN (3 big press titles in Poland and one of top TV channels). He promised exclusivity on his coming out to each of them
While promising exclusive material he already had coming out conference scheduled in Rome.
And he also has book prepared for publishing soon.
- Status