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[gcubed]

Nah

You can't pull that shit in some of these cities especially stuff up north like Philly or NYC. These places would implode instantly.

But that's in Boston...

 

[sangreal]

It's the truth. The Nazi's and KKK are terrorist organizations. Anyone not embracing and supporting treating them the same way as any other terrorist organization is an enemy to my family and my existence.

Who you think was counter-protesting? There were Black people there saying "Nah, fuck you we ain't going anywhere." Not extreme left.

Um yeah, that's the point the poster you replied to is making. The comic is fucking stupid. If you agree that there are people outside of the "extreme left" that are firmly opposed to the KKK, then the comic makes no sense.

 

[Imperfected]

I agree! BUT I'm trying to say that I don't think getting them fired is an effective way at non violence because it might lead to retaliatory violence.

Non-violent protest generally leads to violent response. If you look at the history of effective non-violent protest (ie, occupied India) it's not particularly hard to see that. I'm not really sure why you would have expected anything else.

The point of non-violent methodology in protesting is not to avoid violence ever happening, it's to force the opposing side to be the ones that employ the violence to expose their tyranny and immorality.

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

On my way to a counterprotest in Seattle. It's certainly gonna be interesting.

What are you counter protesting

 

[Frozenprince]

No, nobody said don't defend yourself. They're saying don't round up people and bludgeon them to death.

Y'all assuming "violent civil resistance" is exactly like how these Nazi fucks are acting and treating us isn't rooted in reality.

We don't want to round them up throw them in camps and murder them.

We just want them to know we ain't gonna lie down and we will crack back when pushed.

 

[shamanick]

"Dr. King’s policy was that nonviolence would achieve the gains for black people in the United States. His major assumption was that if you are nonviolent, if you suffer, your opponent will see your suffering and will be moved to change his heart. That’s very good. He only made one fallacious assumption: In order for nonviolence to work, your opponent must have a conscience. The United States has none." - Stokely Carmichael

 

[Africanus]

Just a minor update from the Washington Post.
Exact same warning signs as any other terrorism.

CHARLOTTESVILLE — A man accused of plowing a car into a crowd of protesters here — killing one person and leaving 19 injured — long sympathized with Nazi views and had stood with a group of white supremacists hours before Saturday's bloody crash.

The alleged driver, James Alex Fields Jr., 20, of Ohio, had espoused extremist ideals at least since high school, according to Derek Weimer, a history teacher.

Weimer said that he taught Fields during his junior and senior years at Randall K. Cooper High School in Kentucky. In a class called ”America's Modern Wars," Weimer said that Fields wrote a deeply researched paper about the Nazi military during World War II.

”It was obvious that he had this fascination with Nazism and a big idolatry of Adolf Hitler," Weimer said. ”He had white supremacist views. He really believed in that stuff."

Fields's research project into the Nazi military was well written, Weimer said, but it appeared to be a ”big lovefest for the German military and the Waffen-SS."

James Alex Fields Jr. has been charged with second degree murder after he allegedly drove his car into a crowd of protesters in Charlottesville. (Albermarle-Charlottesville Regional Jail/Via EPA)

As a teacher, Weimer highlighted historical facts, not just opinion, in an unsuccessful attempt to steer Fields away from his infatuation with the Nazis.

”This was something that was growing in him," Weimer said. ”I admit I failed. I tried my best. But this is definitely a teachable moment and something we need to be vigilant about, because this stuff is tearing up our country."

 

[Chococat]

A friend of mine on Facebook told me two of his friends were stabbed trying to counter protest. One is in the ICU. They don't think he'll make it.

Where at if you don't mind sharing?

 

[PBalfredo]

So I searched "Antifa" on Facebook just now, because I'm quite uneducated as to what that means.

The first result I see from Facebook's "news"

What, you don't get all of your reliable news from puppetstringnews . com ?

 

[Jenov]

So I searched "Antifa" on Facebook just now, because I'm quite uneducated as to what that means.

The first result I see from Facebook's "news"

wow yeah, this is coming up as a result in facebook searches, but there's no way to report it. Fucking facebook.

 

[ISOM]

No, nobody said don't defend yourself. They're saying don't round up people and bludgeon them to death.

And that reflexive wait and see approach will cost the lives of many innocent people.

 

[Temeculan3000]

Y'all assuming "violent civil resistance" is exactly like how these Nazi fucks are acting and treating us isn't rooted in reality.

We don't want to round them up throw them in camps and murder them.

We just want them to know we ain't gonna lie down and we will crack back when pushed.

Some people in this thread ARE advocating that.

 

[JambiBum]

Are you willing to buy a gun and start shooting at the next rally?

I see a lot of people promoting this view, I doubt any of you will follow through.

I'm willing to and if it comes to my area I will be there fighting back. Talking about this problem has gotten us no where. It's time for a change.

HATE.

I have no idea what the context of this gif is.

Don't hate, instead negotiate.<----This is genuinely the most perfect metaphor for how much moderates impede progress and straight up help the oppressors by being holier than thou and above it all.

At first I thought it was just a link to a download of Wolfenstein 3d, then I realized the change to it and I laughed. This is pretty perfect.

 

[Atenhaus]

What are you counter protesting

An alt-right gathering in downtown.

 

[Dynasty]

She is trying to tell me something but I dont see the link.
https://mobile.twitter.com/typicalfeminist/status/896740947161219073

 

[Gorillaz]

But that's in Boston...

Yea I know it's boston obviously im saying cities in general

 

[Imperfected]

Just a minor update from the Washington Post.
Exact same warning signs as any other terrorism.

That awkward moment as a teacher when you find yourself saying, "Man, this is a really well-written Hitler slash-fic."

 

[The Wart]

It sure would.

For example, when exactly that policy existed in America for 100 years, and was used exclusively to terrorize people of color, that's exactly what it was.

That is more or less explicitly what the Nazis today are advocating for. At best.

I mean, yeah. I agree. But I don't understand how you get from there to the conclusion that vigilante violence is going to help defeat the white-supremacist/neonazi wing of the current republican party. Widespread violence in which neonazis appear to be the victims rather than the instigators seems far more likely to cause so-called-moderates to rally around the currently flailing and historically unpopular Trump administration.

To clarify, I'm not saying you should never punch a nazi. I'm saying nazi punching is not a viable platform, and advocating its widespread adoption seems likely to backfire.

 

[JambiBum]

Y'all assuming "violent civil resistance" is exactly like how these Nazi fucks are acting and treating us isn't rooted in reality.

We don't want to round them up throw them in camps and murder them.

We just want them to know we ain't gonna lie down and we will crack back when pushed.

Some people might not be, but I am. Whether other people do or not that's up to them. Trying to talk to these people does nothing. They don't change their minds, they don't stop being full of hate. We've already seen what that does. Round them up and put a bullet to their head one by one and see how many of them are brave enough to hold up a nazi flag.

 

[Future]

So I searched "Antifa" on Facebook just now, because I'm quite uneducated as to what that means.

The first result I see from Facebook's "news"

Always (wrongly) assume getting those news results has something to do with Facebook filtering to the user. But nope, did the search myself and there it is. Top result

Since I don't live and breathe Facebook I'd never think to search it for news. But there are so many that do, and this is the information they get lol. As everyone gets more informed, everyone actually gets stupider since it is so easy to resemble real news these days

 

[The Wart]

Y'all assuming "violent civil resistance" is exactly like how these Nazi fucks are acting and treating us isn't rooted in reality.

We don't want to round them up throw them in camps and murder them.

We just want them to know we ain't gonna lie down and we will crack back when pushed.

This is not at all clear to me. I mean, not the camps part, because no one has the infrastructure for that, but the murder part, yeah. And I find it pretty frightening. I feel like if we have learned anything from the recent trend of young men radicalizing, is that it doesn't take much to push some people into would-be executioners.

Some people might not be, but I am. Whether other people do or not that's up to them. Trying to talk to these people does nothing. They don't change their minds, they don't stop being full of hate. We've already seen what that does. Round them up and put a bullet to their head one by one and see how many of them are brave enough to hold up a nazi flag.

Edit: case in point. This should not be acceptable rhetoric on GAF or anywhere. Punching nazis is all well and good until some kid gets beaten to death with baseball bats.

 

[TyrantII]

But that's in Boston...

And?

http://www.universalhub.com/2017/frog-loving-neo-nazis-assemble-scream-common

Last time they tried it they were out numbered 10 to 1, and that was a cold, wet spring weekend. We're already organizing a bigger response.

Fun history, directly across from the state house, in the Commons, is a prominent memorial to the Massachusetts 54th.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

I have no idea what the context of this gif is.

https://youtu.be/pa-oUPTr9LI

If I love you, I love you. But if I hate you...

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

Tired of all the "let's not be violent with nazis" people. You know what stopped nazis in WWII? It wasn't peaceful marches or protests, it was bullets. Protesting and simply telling someone that they are wrong doesn't work when they are already a part of that culture. Before anyone asks, yes I am advocating for straight up killing each and every person who considers themselves a part of this new nazi movement. I thought about mincing words and trying to find a way to dance around saying it directly, but the time of mincing words needs to come to an end.

I'm willing to and if it comes to my area I will be there fighting back. Talking about this problem has gotten us no where. It's time for a change.

Don't do this.

 

[kmax]

Where did I say that anything was "fine"? What am I drawing equivalence between? Is anyone in this thread actually reading anything anyone actually writes? At no point did I make any sort of "both sides" argument. My argument is that a policy of widespread vigilante violence would be a moral, political, and humanitarian disaster.

You come off as being apologetic to a grotesque ideology that have committed mass genocide and that are responsible for the murder of millions of people around the world. Their ideology that you are seemingly dog whistling is a threat to the very existence of people. You seem to lack the fundamental understanding of why people would feel threatened by them, so I suggest you go and open a history book before you go off and parrot about pacifism.

I'll repeat. This is a hate-group that wants people dead. They are inherently violent.

Now, if you were actually serious about wanting people safe, you would urge The President of the United States to actually deal with this situation instead of shitting down this thread. He's setting the discourse. Why is he letting this transpire? People are afraid and rightfully scared. They do not feel safe when dangerous Nazis are marching with down the streets with weapons whilst they are screaming that they want to kill you.

You need to question the cause and not the effect here. Who's enabling this? The president and his base is. People will fight on all fronts, and if that means that they have to fight for their lives, then all bets are off.

 

[Amibguous Cad]

Tired of all the "let's not be violent with nazis" people. You know what stopped nazis in WWII? It wasn't peaceful marches or protests, it was bullets. Protesting and simply telling someone that they are wrong doesn't work when they are already a part of that culture. Before anyone asks, yes I am advocating for straight up killing each and every person who considers themselves a part of this new nazi movement. I thought about mincing words and trying to find a way to dance around saying it directly, but the time of mincing words needs to come to an end.

See, this is my problem.

"Violence" is such a vague term, and I think half of you have in mind Captain America punching Richard Spencer, and half of you have in mind firebombing protests.

You do realize they were given an inch and took a mile. Street battles between Nazis and communists were common place and the Nazis won due to more moderate parties aligning against the communists.

Right. Street battles between leftist/communist militias and brownshirts were a precursor to every successful fascist takeover. This helped to delegitimize the liberal democratic government. And, unsurprisingly, widespread lawlessness and unrest made far right parties more attractive, particularly for industrial interests and the bourgeois "moderates" who were perfectly fine with the liberal order but sided with the Nazis when it was clear the regime's days were numbered.

Most people have the history exactly backwards: violent resistance has never been successful at stopping a fascist takeover, and we have no reason to think that it will this time. Liberal states can beat fascist states in a war, of course, but domestically, widespread civil violence in a semi-electoral system inexorably tilts the field towards the far right and leads to fascist takeover.

If someone can point to an instance of violence stopping domestic fascist takeover, I'll be happy to be corrected.

 

[Mass Effect]

https://twitter.com/YesYoureRacist/s...13553666871296

That dude is gonna sue his former employer and win.
I guess the company think it's worth it.

Maybe it's just me being paranoid, but I can't help but feel like some of these people fired will end up going on killing sprees (specifically either targeting minorities or their workplace). Maybe not from this whole Charlottesville incident, but as this keeps happening in the future.

That isn't to say these people shouldn't be called out, shamed, and fired--they should--but I don't think all of them will just quietly disappear.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Man, I gave tim soret of The last night fame the benefit of the doubt. Maybe I'm an optimist and I like to think people are ok at the end of the day, it's my weakness. His tweets during this whole mess have been

- both sides
- identity politics lead to this
- please be careful identifying protesters as racjsts/nazis

Meanwhile not a single word on the woman who died,or how fucking disgraceful the white nationalists are.

 

[Box of Kittens]

Try calmly telling Nazis you're going to win the war of ideas as they run you over. You wouldn't want to do anything to turn them violent.

 

[The Kree]

Maybe it's just me being paranoid, but I can't help but feel like some of these people fired will end up going on killing sprees (specifically either targeting minorities or their workplace). Maybe not from this whole Charlottesville incident, but as this keeps happening in the future.

That isn't to say these people shouldn't be called out, shamed, and fired--they should--but I don't think all of them will just quietly disappear.

If we're that afraid of random white guys going crazy on a murder spree, maybe we should do something to keep them away from the public.

Just a thought.

 

[Doctor_Thomas]

Then maybe we should beat them at the ballot box and take away their political power? Do you really think widespread vigilantism is going to either help achieve that end or somehow substitute for it?

May 1928 - 2.6%
Sep 1930 - 18.25%
Jul 1932 - 37.27%
Nov 1932 - 33.09%
Mar 1933 - 43.91%
Nov 1933 - 92.11%

That's the percentage of votes that Nazis got up until November 1933 when all other parties were banned. Hitler formed a coalition with another party in Mar 1933 because he didn't have a majority Government, but quickly did away with the Reichstag.

Again, we've been here before. You didn't beat them at the ballot box when you elected Trump as President. The time for talking and taking away their political powers long since passed because people are either racist or racism wasn't a deal breaker.

 

[The Wart]

You come off as being apologetic to a grotesque ideology that have committed mass genocide and that are responsible for the murder of millions of people around the world. Their ideology that you are seemingly dog whistling is a threat to the very existence of people. You seem to lack the fundamental understanding of why people would feel threatened by them, so I suggest you go and open a history book before you go off and parrot about pacifism.

I'll repeat. This is a hate-group that wants people dead. They are inherently violent.

Now, if you were actually serious about wanting people safe, you would urge The President of the United States to actually deal with this situation instead of shitting down this thread. He's setting the discourse. Why is he letting this transpire? People are afraid and rightfully scared. They do not feel safe when dangerous Nazis are marching with down the streets with weapons whilst they are screaming that they want to kill you.

You need to question the cause and not the effect here. Who's enabling this? The president and his base is. People will fight on all fronts, and if that means that they have to fight for their lives, then all bets are off.

At no point did I ever "apologize" for nazis. The fact that me questioning the value of vigilante violence gets me labeled a nazi sympathizer is pretty disturbing.

And sure, I'll bring this up with Trump over dinner tonight! I definitely have direct contact with the president or anyone he knows. *rollseyes*

 

[JustenP88]

Anyone pushing this "bohoo anti-fa" shit is spinning the rhetoric wheel on behalf of the right. They don't need your help, but I'm sure they appreciate it.

 

[XOMTOR]

Tired of all the "let's not be violent with nazis" people. You know what stopped nazis in WWII? It wasn't peaceful marches or protests, it was bullets. Protesting and simply telling someone that they are wrong doesn't work when they are already a part of that culture. Before anyone asks, yes I am advocating for straight up killing each and every person who considers themselves a part of this new nazi movement. I thought about mincing words and trying to find a way to dance around saying it directly, but the time of mincing words needs to come to an end.

Straight up one of the most idiotic things I've read on here. Enjoy your time in prison.

 

[Mass Effect]

If we're that afraid of random white guys going crazy on a murder spree, maybe we should do something to keep them away from the public.

Just a thought.

Not sure what you're implying here, but it's not like much can legally be done to them if they haven't committed any crimes yet.

Though I think they should be put on a watchlist at least.

Straight up one of the most idiotic things I've read on here. Enjoy your time in prison.

unless that poster is going to actually go out and start doing the killing himself, he's not going to prison over a heated forum post.

 

[TyrantII]

Right. Street battles between leftist/communist militias and brownshirts were a precursor to every successful fascist takeover. This helped to delegitimize the liberal democratic government. And, unsurprisingly, widespread lawlessness and unrest made far right parties more attractive, particularly for industrial interests and the bourgeois who were perfectly fine with the liberal order but sided with the Nazis when it was clear the regime's days were numbered.

Most people have the history exactly backwards: violent resistance has never been successful at stopping a fascist takeover, and we have no reason to think that it will this time.

Bingo. The ignorance of history in this thread is deafening. I think neogafs average user age is showing through.

I get it. People are scared and angry. But that's exactly the wrong time to take missteps. Don't get baited into legitimizing their law and order argument that they so dearly need to move forward.

It's plain as day. They're already trying to claim the Nazi was a Jew, a radical leftist, and are blaming ANTIFA. They need violence to hide behind and claim they're just cleaning the streets.

 

[TumblingHippo]

Not sure what you're implying here, but it's not like much can legally be done to them if they haven't committed any crimes yet.

Though I think they should be put on a watchlist at least.

Ban nazi speech.
Ban nazis from gathering.
Ban people from being nazis.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

In case anyone is too lazy to click the link, the Nazi gentleman in the video says:

Our republican values are:

1) standing up for local white identity

2) the free market

3) killing jews

Keep caping for this, you moderate dipshits. Please. I need to remember who the stupid ones are on this forum.

LMAO..And we'll still get folks talking shit.

 

[Bastables]

See, this is my problem.

"Violence" is such a vague term, and I think half of you have in mind Captain America punching Richard Spencer, and half of you have in mind firebombing protests.



Right. Street battles between leftist/communist militias and brownshirts were a precursor to every successful fascist takeover. This helped to delegitimize the liberal democratic government. And, unsurprisingly, widespread lawlessness and unrest made far right parties more attractive, particularly for industrial interests and the bourgeois "moderates" who were perfectly fine with the liberal order but sided with the Nazis when it was clear the regime's days were numbered.

Most people have the history exactly backwards: violent resistance has never been successful at stopping a fascist takeover, and we have no reason to think that it will this time. Liberal states can beat fascist states in a war, of course, but domestically, widespread civil violence in a semi-electoral system inexorably tilts the field towards the far right and leads to fascist takeover.

If someone can point to an instance of violence stopping domestic fascist takeover, I'll be happy to be corrected.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cable_Street

Conventionally seen as the beginning of the end of the British union of Fascists. You might not know about fascist Britain, becuase it died after a street battle with police defending them.

 

[Frozenprince]

Bingo. The ignorance of history in this thread is deafening. I think neogafs average user age is showing through.

I get it. People are scared and angry. But that's exactly the wrong time to take missteps. Don't get baited into legitimizing their law and order argument that they so dearly need to move forward.

It's plain as day. They're already trying to claim the Nazi was a Jew, a radical leftist, and are blaming ANTIFA. They need violence to hide behind and claim they're just cleaning the streets.

He'd have a point if this were a concerted political effort to take over government. This is a series of people using civil liberties to fight a civil fight. This is far more akin to America, well, forever but more specifically postbellum south till Jim Crow in terms of violence used as a weapon against those seeking social equity.

Civil violence as a counter point worked then, it will work now.

I'd also balue more of what he had to say if he didn't vote third party because "the CIA is a terrorist group".

 

[The Wart]

May 1928 - 2.6%
Sep 1930 - 18.25%
Jul 1932 - 37.27%
Nov 1932 - 33.09%
Mar 1933 - 43.91%
Nov 1933 - 92.11%

That's the percentage of votes that Nazis got up until November 1933 when all other parties were banned. Hitler formed a coalition with another party in Mar 1933 because he didn't have a majority Government, but quickly did away with the Reichstag.

Again, we've been here before. You didn't beat them at the ballot box when you elected Trump as President. The time for talking and taking away their political powers long since passed because people are either racist or racism wasn't a deal breaker.

A deeply unpopular candidate lost against another deeply unpopular candidate, and he has a historically unpopular administration that so busy fighting with itself and its own party that it is incapable of pursing any major reforms. Political power in America is also much more distributed than it was in pre-Nazi germany. So the idea that the time for political action has passed is completely absurd.

Yes, it is a disgrace that he was elected and yes, our country is deeply and insidiously racist. You also have people in this thread literally advocating for rounding people up and shooting them in the head. Both of these things should bother you. The former more than the latter, sure, but also the latter.

 

[Pesmerga00]

Just a minor update from the Washington Post.
Exact same warning signs as any other terrorism.

Damn. What can a teacher even do in a situation like this? The red flags are going off here.

Hope the dude doesn't beat himself up over a vile peace of shit.

 

[LegendofJoe]

People shouldn't go out looking for a fight. With that kind of attitude they'll definitely find one. What they should do instead is to form or join civil resistance groups and arm themselves if they are comfortable doing so. Prepare for the worst by being proactive, but don't become the aggressor. However, if violence finds you anyway be prepared to respond in kind and protect those who cannot protect themselves.

 

[gcubed]

May 1928 - 2.6%
Sep 1930 - 18.25%
Jul 1932 - 37.27%
Nov 1932 - 33.09%
Mar 1933 - 43.91%
Nov 1933 - 92.11%

That's the percentage of votes that Nazis got up until November 1933 when all other parties were banned. Hitler formed a coalition with another party in Mar 1933 because he didn't have a majority Government, but quickly did away with the Reichstag.

Again, we've been here before. You didn't beat them at the ballot box when you elected Trump as President. The time for talking and taking away their political powers long since passed because people are either racist or racism wasn't a deal breaker.

Actually... He was beaten at the ballot box

 

[Frozenprince]

If me waving a bat in a nazis face makes somebody suddenly decide to support said nazi and align with said nazi then I wouldn't want their ass to support me to begin with. It's clear where they wanted to lie.

 

[XOMTOR]

Not sure what you're implying here, but it's not like much can legally be done to them if they haven't committed any crimes yet.

Though I think they should be put on a watchlist at least.



unless that poster is going to actually go out and start doing the killing himself, he's not going to prison over a heated forum post.

Wait, you actually thought I was implying he'd face prison time for a forum post? The "you" was meant in general terms, meaning, anyone who is willing to act out what he advocates will accomplish nothing more than receiving a prison sentence. Surprised you didn't call out my use of the word "enjoy" too. Sheesh.

 

[Arrowgigantic]

But I don't understand how you get from there to the conclusion that vigilante violence is going to help defeat the white-supremacist/neonazi wing of the current republican party.

Wing?

 

[Zen Aku]

Where did this happen?

At the rally I assume. My friend live in VA.

 

[Jakten]

People shouldn't go out looking for a fight. With that kind of attitude they'll definitely find one.

They are the ones marching out in makeshift suits of armor with swords and shields, why don't you go tell that to them! Literally go fucking tell them that not people who peacefully protest considering defending themselves.

 

[JambiBum]

This is not at all clear to me. I mean, not the camps part, because no one has the infrastructure for that, but the murder part, yeah. And I find it pretty frightening. I feel like if we have learned anything from the recent trend of young men radicalizing, is that it doesn't take much to push some people into would-be executioners.



Edit: case in point. This should not be acceptable rhetoric on GAF or anywhere. Punching nazis is all well and good until some kid gets beaten to death with baseball bats.

Why shouldn't it be? Nazis don't respect other people. Talking to them about issues does nothing. They don't change their minds. If people thought the way you do during WWII the world would be a much different place. Of course I know my posts would cause people to react the way they have, hell I might even get banned for it, but as we have already seen in the past and now, the only thing that gets through to a nazi is violence. The American government did a piss poor job of stifling this rhetoric and it has lead us to where we are now.

Let me guess, your way of fighting back against these people is with motivational speeches and peaceful counter protests right?