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Verdict reached in "Dark Knight" Aurora movie theater shooting - Read at 6:15PM ET
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DrGonzo615
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Yeah, kinda curious how this tid bit of information made it past the juror selection stage? This could definitely be used as grounds for an appeal.
Pai Pai Master
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he was a neuroscience student right?
Bubba_Sparks
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Wait! Why did he kill these people? Was it ever determined why he planned to do this? Has he spoken since he committed these acts?
If you limited people who have been or known victims of gun violence, you would have to pull from a jury of 2 people.
Officerrob
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There were like 160 charges
DrForester
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These verdicts are kind of strange.
Why would they find him guilty of attempted first degree murder on some of the surviving victims, and find him guilty of the lesser, second degree charge on the others?
Why would they find him guilty of attempted first degree murder on some of the surviving victims, and find him guilty of the lesser, second degree charge on the others?
Veritigo_X
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How can there even be second degree murder charges when he planned to go there to shoot up the place?
Velcro Fly
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i heard it would take like an hour to read the entire verdict.
i guess 12.5 hours deliberation for 160 counts means it was pretty convincing evidence.
i guess 12.5 hours deliberation for 160 counts means it was pretty convincing evidence.
davepoobond
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maybe something like "he had plans written down to kill all of the people in the first row, and non-specific plans to kill people elsewhere in the theatre"
that's what i would guess without knowing the specifics like that
DrForester
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Prosecution brought up lots of survivors to testify, and two court appointed psychiatrists who evaluated him separately, saying he was sane.
Defense pretty much just had a non-court appointed psychiatrist say he was insane.
I can definitely exclude people related to mass shootings. I was on a jury for a DUI case, and anyone that has a DUI or knew someone close got the boot.
Seems like a risk on the part of the courts/prosecution. Could easily be a point of appeal.
Imbarkus
As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
Ugh. Just ugh. Scores of kids have passed through that school before and since, including my own, and they all have a profound sense of connection to that tragedy. I'm not sure you could find a dozen people in this state who won't have at least one person with "close ties" to the tragedy.
Eventually you won't be able to assemble a jury without finding someone whose life hasn't been hit by some similar episode of random gun violence. It is at least conceivable that someone who has could still be a fair member of this jury.
DrForester
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For anyone asking:
"Part B" is asking about his sanity
"Part C" is asking about use of weapon (basically a formality when weapon is used to increase penalty)
Local news is reporting specifics:
Guilty: 12 counts of First Degree Murder with extreme indifference
Guilty: 12 counts of First Degree Murder with deliberation
There will basically be a second trial for sentencing since it is a Death Penalty case.
"Part B" is asking about his sanity
"Part C" is asking about use of weapon (basically a formality when weapon is used to increase penalty)
Local news is reporting specifics:
Guilty: 12 counts of First Degree Murder with extreme indifference
Guilty: 12 counts of First Degree Murder with deliberation
There will basically be a second trial for sentencing since it is a Death Penalty case.
"Close ties" is not how you describe a person who's kid went there 10 years after the fact. I take it as some who's kid was a victim.
DrForester
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According to our local Fox Affiliate the Juror forperson is a survivor of the Columbine shooting. I guess that could mean anything from someone in the line of fire, to someone who was at the school at the time.
During jury selection he had said that he could still be unbiased. Still surprising they'd pick him.
So yeah, not just a vague connection.
DrForester
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In the end the Defense could have objected. I've been in a jury pool for a big case
I was in the Jury Pool for the driver of the car used in that Murder. It wasn't a Death Penalty case, but he was looking at life in prison. I was actually the next person in line to sit on the Jury before they sat the guy in front of me to be the final member of the jury.
The Defense and Prosecution were allowed to approve/disprove of all the jurors. I assume there's a limit, or just a general "within reason" limitation, but they just said if they approved or disapproved of a juror. If dismissed, the juror left, and the next person in the pool took their seat, and the approval/disapproval process happened again, until all seats were filled and approved.
Lord Morairty007
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Fuck that guy. Let him rot in federal prison. I been waiting for this crap to end.
The wheels of justice turn very, very slowly.
DrForester
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I feel kind of bad for his Defense, having to stand through all this. Can't the judge say they can sit during the reading?
Then point to Holmes and say "not you, you little shit, you stand".
Then point to Holmes and say "not you, you little shit, you stand".
Imbarkus
As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
Hmmm. So the defense would be happy to keep him on jury and not object... because it gives them an excuse upon which to appeal?
RiccochetJ
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Placing him in the supermax here in Colorado would be perfectly ok by me.
DrForester
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Same here, given Governors attitude, I am actually disappointed the prosecution didn't take the Defenses offer to plead guilty in exchange for life in prison.
As for him being placed in Supermax, I don't think that would have happened. Remember, our Governor has no opinions on the Death Penalty, he just doesn't want to deal with it. The one person on Death Row is still on Death Row. He's been on Death row for 20 years, and all appeals have been exhausted. The Governor just delayed the execution until he's out of office. He didn't commute the sentence to life in prison. I actually feel bad for the prisoner, as he gets to sit in jail for the next 4 years wondering what will happen to him because our Governor is spineless.
Macho Madness
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They can't know ahead of time what was going on and then claim ignorance later.
Macho Madness
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Guilty on all 24 counts of murder, 140 counts of attempted, 1 count of possession of an explosive device.
DrForester
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If that brat made me serve jury duty for this long I'd be voting guilty on all counts too.
SillyEskimo
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He'll likely be murdered in prison. That's my guess at least.
I was recently on a jury, when the selections were being made, the court attendees read the list of people involved (accused, and those accusing) and the list of 20 - 30 witnesses, they also mentioned the corporations involved (it was a fraud case), I can't see this info coming out until post jury selection, unless they mention it personally.
Another tidbit, one of my jury members got kicked off because when taking a smoke break out the front of the building another man who often seating himself at the back of the court (under the guise of a general public member) talked to the juror on two different occasions -- the man happened to be a member of the accusing corporation. We continued with 11 of the standard 12 jurors (we'd already used up the 2 reserve jurors). However unlike the case I was on, the case is serious enough to warrant a mistrial with less than 12 -- someone mentioned an appeal in here, I can see that being warranted, although you often only need a vast majority to make a ruling, so it might be deemed irrelevant.
entremet
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That's actually way worse ethically speaking.
Generally people who say things like that are thinking emotionally so they dont have to think ethically.
DoktorEvil
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Same here. I can't reconcile how a top student studying Neuroscience just ups and decides to do all he did.
He didn't even attempt to escape afterwards.
Fata1moose
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Wasn't he failing his classes? Not so much a top student.
Macho Madness
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Sentencing trial verdict reached. Read at 2:30PM ET.
djplaeskool
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Going to spend some quality time at ADX Florence I'm guessing.
Hari Seldon
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I'm voting that he is going to get death.
Officerrob
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I think he's getting death
DrForester
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This is only part 2 (of 3) of the sentencing phase. If they come back for the death penalty it moves to the final stage.
If even one juror is not for death then it's over, he'll get life, and apparently will be sent to prison or a secure mental facility.
If even one juror is not for death then it's over, he'll get life, and apparently will be sent to prison or a secure mental facility.
It's okay to put mentally ill people to death in the States?
I mean, judging from his past before the incident and that breakdown that occurred in prison where he licked the cell walls, smeared feces, and did somersaults with a paper cup balanced on his junk while trying to get away from shadows makes it very clear he is ill.
I mean, judging from his past before the incident and that breakdown that occurred in prison where he licked the cell walls, smeared feces, and did somersaults with a paper cup balanced on his junk while trying to get away from shadows makes it very clear he is ill.
are you kidding me?
In the United States, it's OK to put a straight up mentally disabled individual to death even if they're innocent using essentially a clown court of insider relationships to ensure the handicapped person in question never gets a fair trial.
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