vg247-PS4: new kits shipping now, AMD A10 used as base, final version next summer
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Hmm, actually, GCN already has fixed function tessellator logic. So I dunno if it would make a lot of sense to have a 'block' of tessellation stuff sitting next to a GCN GPU vs tweaking or expanding what's there already. Unless the blocks are more logical than physical and one of them is a reference to tweaked/expanded tessellation silicon inside GCN.
THE:MILKMAN
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The next several months should be fun.
Also according to the rumours MS is already going to manufacture the chips so they can't really change anything now, so Sony can let the ship leak as much as they want.
THE:MILKMAN
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What a tease. Fun in a good way or bad (For us gamers)
Good of course.
amstradcpc
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I would say special sauce is (Tim Sweeny) inspired. So, realtime lighting via voxel processor. Remember he said Unreal engine 4 needed 2 teraflops at least and its main point is real time lighting. The only way to make a 1.2 tflop apu behave like a 680 gtx in ue4 is put fixed hardware for the most intensive resource hog in that engine: lighting via voxel octrees algorithm.Remember how important is Unreal engine for MS and third parties. Real time lighting will make third parties game development easier as graphic programmers wont have to prebake shadows,lights,etc.
Definitely. All of these "leaks" and it's only Janurary lol. Hype train is in full effect.
I hope we get some more tech demos as well soon. Just rewatched Agni Tech Demo for the first time in months and got damn that was impressive. Still my fav in the bunch.
I think the ram will be the main talk once is all on the table. I think that will be by far the biggest difference. All rumors the CPUs and GPUs are very simliar. Hell a few suggest the same CPU lol. In a way them being so similar is kind of boring. What was cool about most gens is the completely different hardware and different results depending on the game. It be nice for developers but it makes owning both almost redundant.
You're not going to be waiting very long for the rumors to stop.
-Pyromaniac-
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even though all this spec wars and leaks are fun, for me the true fun is when games get announced.
Call me when that happens
The reasons for buying them will be exclusive software and services like live and PSN rather than hardware architecture.
THE:MILKMAN
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Excellent.
systemfehler
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If you need to visit the bathroom 5 minutes can be an eternity - same goes for console unveillings. Please help me out and be a little more precise ;-)
even though all this spec wars and leaks are fun, for me the true fun is when games get announced.
Call me when that happens
GDC? maybe?
Also you got tagged? lol
funkystudent
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I have a feeling stuff is going to get shown in mid February to early March.
No sources or anything, it just seems like thats when it will happen.
That is unless invites to some kind of top secret event have already gone out and you cant tell anyone without getting shot. right?
That or they shipped dev kits to a bigger chunk of outside developers.
The more people with kits = the more we hear about stuff.
SolidSnakex
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No one has brought up DigitalFoundry's next-gen comments in this thread?
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-4k-gaming
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-4k-gaming
If a "couple" is two, and a "few" is three, then "several" would be more than that.
So it seems.
systemfehler
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So nothing after GDC and before/during E3 ... not exactly what I hoped for when I read not very long.
-Pyromaniac-
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Well, this is a thing.
This is why I can't work out what could speed thing up to such an extent.
dedicated AA unit?
What are the primary resource hogs in modern engines other than the basic shading/vertex transformations?
Iacobellis
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I am sure we will get a very concrete leak like Project Cafe before E3, maybe even an official announcement. If it's not the Orbis, then it will definitely be the Durango. After the decline in PC sales and Surface being in such a slump, Microsoft needs to show the people what they have been waiting for.
Holy shit so both have been already shown to the journalists?
AgentChris
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I wonder if SE is going to show a FF Versus trailer for PS4 at E3.
Nope. But information always leaks from developers to journalists.
They haven't been. But a lot of similar rumors are being distributed to specific people.
-Pyromaniac-
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what's the mindset on that
Well, I was trying to think of things at the top and the bottom of the render pipe. Would be easier to integrate I guess.
eDRAM's at the bottom, that's cool.
So then...geometry processing/tessellation at the top? That's what made me think of a tessellator, thinking that functionality had been wrapped into the general ALUs on GPUs, and that a fixed function unit could offer optimised perf. But turns out that functionality is fixed function in GCN still. Though, of course, they could have stripped that out and replaced it with other tessellation silicon with better perf, or tweaked/optimised what was there.
Maybe some other kind of common-case geometry processing for the top of the pipeline? I'm not sure what you might want to trade flexibility for performance for though, other than tessellation perhaps. Like...animation? Seems to me approaches to that might be a bit too diverse to dump into a fixed function block. Skinning? I dunno.
My guess is to get the hype rolling. And it's working too!
Oh yes please. Both The Last Guardian and Final Fantasy Versus should be PS4 now. Imagine a launch window line up with those two in it! Would be insane
Iacobellis
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PlayStation Meeting could happen this month, and the PS4 could be revisited at Destination PlayStation in February. We still have a couple more weeks of January, the Vita PM was not formally announced until a few days before it happened.
Excited.
-Pyromaniac-
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I bet everyone is waiting for that "one guy" to leak a lot more so everyone can just start talking about it already. Seems like a lot of itching to say more but can't.
For PS4 or 720?
Shinji Hashimoto, the game's producer, said the game will show up some time this year. E3 would be as good a time as any for it to appear on the world stage. I hope it does anyway... it's been a long 7 years...
THE:MILKMAN
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Aegies as said before that devs have been bursting at the seams to talk about their next-gen games.
Sounds like they are about to get the go ahead?
Sure, but if you're really confident some task is going to be very common, you might want to parse it out and put into its own optimised silicon.
I guess confidence increases or decreases depending on how standardised a certain type of task has become. For example people don't blink so much at fixed function audio or decompression hardware...it's almost boilerplate.
Something like tessellation might be considered boilerplate too, and is fixed function inside GCN GPUs anyway. Maybe they wanted higher performance for that specific task than their GCN GPU target allowed?
I agree that some other candidates might be riskier though. But we're kind of poking around in the dark here
Of course.
Probably by end of the March we will know something for either Nexbox or PS4. More likely nextbox.
I agree that some other candidates might be riskier though. But we're kind of poking around in the dark here
That's the fun.
We could do with some more experienced developers to suggest places in the rendering pipeline that would be ripe for specific hardware to speed up
AFAIK they haven't ported it to 360. Obviously things can change and the official word on the game has been silent for some time, but last I knew it hadn't.