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[darkwing]

It depends.

Scenario 1:
If it's an APU ONLY, it might be 4X PS3. Which would make current gen games running at 720p 30fps run at 1080p/60fps.

Scenario 2
If it's an APU and a discrete GPU (8850), it will be 12-16X PS3. This would be the Batman we need.

won't having a discrete GPU require you to have 3 jobs?

 

[thuway]

won't having a discrete GPU require you to have 3 jobs?

What is this nonsense? These are all conventional parts I am talking about. This isn't even the high end card here. This is all within the realm of sanity.

If I said something like you need three GTX 580s, than yeah, call me certifiable. We are talking about the power of roughly one of those cards in 2013 or early 2014.

 

[gofreak]

It depends.

Scenario 1:
If it's an APU ONLY, it might be 4X PS3. Which would make current gen games running at 720p 30fps run at 1080p/60fps.

Scenario 2
If it's an APU and a discrete GPU (8850), it will be 12-16X PS3. This would be the Batman we need.

Or

Scenario 3

Something in the middle. '10x'. As described by the last rumour. In whatever config (APU or APU+GPU) is more economical to manufacture.

Which, IMO, is the most likely scenario. That rumour seemed pretty reasonably realistic.

Also, for those saying that the visual quality on these consoles will be akin to a current gen game on higher PC settings...prepare to be very surprised. By the time the second generation of software rolls around at the very least anyway. What you will ultimately see on these machines will be way, way beyond what current software today looks like on similarly specced PC hardware.

 

[i-Lo]

Yes. You should dream a little higher.

Look at this -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVX0OUO9ptU

Do you really believe that "that" is actually achievable real time next gen? Seems you may be dreaming a touch too big unless of course, games looking like that are released during the last few years of PS4 running at 720p30fps, then perhaps I am going to dare dream that as well. I mean look at what ND has achieved with U3 and TLoU and SSM with GoW Ascension.

 

[yurinka]

It depends.

Scenario 1:
If it's an APU ONLY, it might be 4X PS3. Which would make current gen games running at 720p 30fps run at 1080p/60fps.

Scenario 2
If it's an APU and a discrete GPU (8850), it will be 12-16X PS3. This would be the Batman we need.

I'm with GoFreak.

This last rumor said that will be a custom APU, so if they want they can add a way more graphical horsepower than the current PC APUs.
It would mean less cost, noise, space and heat than a discrete GPU.
As they stated and made with Vita, they won't repeat the $599 with massive losses fiasco again, they will made something powerful, maybe not high end, but affordable.

MS stated in the leaked doc that they aim to make Durango as powerful 5x to 8x 360 ducktaped.
So if Sony makes Orbis as powerful as the same number of PS3 ducktaped (let's say 7x) they're on the right spot for me.
Which obviously would be way more powerful than current gen consoles and the farmer with a shotgun.

And remember that console games always looked way better than PC games running with the same specs, because in consoles they are optimized to a single (maybe 2) hardware SKUs, while PC games must run in a lot of different configurations so they need way more powerful hardware to get the same or better results than consoles.

 

[DreadPirateRoberts]

Or

Scenario 3

Something in the middle. '10x'. As described by the last rumour. In whatever config (APU or APU+GPU) is more economical to manufacture.

Which, IMO, is the most likely scenario. That rumour seemed pretty reasonably realistic.

Also, for those saying that the visual quality on these consoles will be akin to a current gen game on higher PC settings...prepare to be very surprised. By the time the second generation of software rolls around at the very least anyway. What you will ultimately see on these machines will be way, way beyond what current software today looks like on similarly specced PC hardware.

10x is probably more realistic (as far as bullshit multipliers go) since the parts will probably be underclocked.

 

[onQ123]

Any pics of current gen console games running at 1080p?

Ridge Racer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Vol5]

Wasn't someone developing a next-gen game quoted as saying recently that it is indeed a quantum leap?

We need someone like Jaffe to wade in with something like "Yup, next-gen, fucking amazing". That's all we need. None of this guesswork bullshit.

 

[Router]

Yes. You should dream a little higher.

Look at this -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVX0OUO9ptU

Just don't be expecting anything close to that to begin with. Its doable sure (except the fact that its all scripted etc...)

First gen games are still going to be a noticeable jump up from current games.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQyGu4EqZsU&feature=fvwrel

 

[Brimstone]

Do you really believe that "that" is actually achievable real time next gen? Seems you may be dreaming a touch too big unless of course, games looking like that are released during the last few years of PS4 running at 720p30fps, then perhaps I am going to dare dream that as well. I mean look at what ND has achieved with U3 and TLoU and SSM with GoW Ascension.

Very achievable...square-enix is using lightmaps. Next-gen needs lots of memory and disc space.

 

[AOC83]

Wasn't someone developing a next-gen game quoted as saying recently that it is indeed a quantum leap?

Remedy.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Man talking about next gen games i can't wait to see the next GT game.
GT5 got problems but man driving on Nürburg looks so good sometimes .
Can't wait to see what PD going to do with 7 to 10 times more power .

 

[thuway]

Just don't be expecting anything close to that to begin with. Its doable sure (except the fact that its all scripted etc...)

First gen games are still going to be a noticeable jump up from current games.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQyGu4EqZsU&feature=fvwrel

It'll happen. It's all about animation really.

 

[Router]

Wasn't someone developing a next-gen game quoted as saying recently that it is indeed a quantum leap?
.

Remidy I think? Bondi Studio have said similar plus Crytek and Epic have said the next xbox is a beast (And they pushed for more memory from early on with the dev kits)

 

[panty]

I don't give a rats ass about BC to be honest, and of course that's just my opinion. I know I'll have my PS3 still with me when PS4 ships.

Can't wait for the final specs next year. This will be my only next-gen console.

 

[Router]

It'll happen. It's all about animation really.

Uncharted really blew it out of the water with Animation department pretty early on in the cycle this gen. I cant wait to see what comes in the next few years.

 

[Persona86]

You're getting dangerously close to an Apple-Drone conversation. Also iPhone's are largely subsidized by carriers, which is something similar to what MS is trying to get started which may actually work if these consoles are overpriced. Also with the economy and people buying these yearly renditions of Apple products it's going to be hard to fit a $500 console purchase in there.

My point was that even in this economy people somehow find money to burn when it's something they REALLY want. The PS4's price is not as important as being something people really want, so that's what they should focus on, making it something we REALLY want no matter the price.

 

[SMT]

Keeping it within the beginning of the series, if Wii U is Farmer With a Shot Gun, Orbis is Nappa. PC is Goku.

Makes sense.

 

[DieH@rd]

Just don't be expecting anything close to that to begin with. Its doable sure (except the fact that its all scripted etc...)

First gen games are still going to be a noticeable jump up from current games.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQyGu4EqZsU&feature=fvwrel

Watching that video for the frist time, live on GTTV, man... that was a thing of beauty. One of the best E3 moments for me since the unveil of ps3 and x360. Cant wait for E3 2013.

 

[dragonelite]

It'll happen. It's all about animation really.

And for that we need higher frame rates to get smooth animations.

I just want 1080p@60fps the console that can give me that i will probably get year 1 or day 1 depending on how much working hours i can score.

 

[RaijinFY]

If the final specs are perceived to be weak by Sony, i can see them barely speaking about.

 

[Strike]

Sony is a hardware company first and foremost. Expect them to take the same design philosophy that they took with the vita. I just hope that they're more aggressive with software and pricing this time around.

 

[Racer30]

Like you said, it was my "safe bet". I've had my share of pie in the sky moments imagining how awesome the PS4's hardware maybe. And now I'm being very conservative with my estimates because of what I've read (from other posters here) and general bitching about potential price.

And yea, I still believe that just because Sony says it'll be capable of 1080p60fps doesn't mean the studios will be making games at the resolution and/or framerate unless mandated. And Sony knows not to tie down devs who try to get more out of a system by reducing the resolution to 720p which is still HD and pull back the fps to 30 (like the prettiest of games on consoles today). Sony also mentioned PS3 was capable of 1080p300fps. It's just throwing numbers out there without any real world meaning. Even the PS2 can perhaps run something at 300fps depending upon how little is on screen.

No Sony doesnt say 1080p@60, the source say Sony is shooting for 1080p@60 3D (no problem/average detail games as I interpret it) for , which is almost/close to 1080p@60 x2 (with optimization/clever programming not quite x2). Point being its worlds apart from what your saying. And no, you stated what you thought PS4 would be capable of, very clearly. (BF3 at ultra 720p@30fps)

But its nice to know we can come to you for facts on PS4, and we dont really need Sony to tell us. As a matter of fact, why dont you just give us the full specsheet

And talking down... I'm sorry but when you write things like fragmenting the market without understanding how it goes against the core principle of existence of a console, it just tires my patience. I mean which other consoles in recent history, did anyone of the competitors leave out an integral part fundamental to the operation of console as a supplementary add-on? We are very far from days of RAM packs and add-on CD drives.

If you loose patience with others having a different take on things than you do on a discussion board; you have a problem, seriously. (no offence)

About fragmenting the market. It would be a sku with one less feature. It would play the same games, same performance.

You tell me, if I dont need the blu-ray drive, why should I pay for it? Would be sucsessful? I dont know, I dont have a crystal ball. Maybe you could point me to where you got yours

 

[GTP_Daverytimes]

Man talking about next gen games i can't wait to see the next GT game.
GT5 got problems but man driving on Nürburg looks so good sometimes .
Can't wait to see what PD going to do with 7 to 10 times more power .

If they give us premium car quality and consistency across the board (plus better car sounds and damage) i have no doubt that the Next GT will blow us away.

 

[RaijinFY]

Man talking about next gen games i can't wait to see the next GT game.
GT5 got problems but man driving on Nürburg looks so good sometimes .
Can't wait to see what PD going to do with 7 to 10 times more power .

More or less. I want to see what they could achieve with more power and more ram. Cant believe they put out a game at 1080p60 with 256 vram...

 

[Proelite]

12-14X PS3 is what we all need and deserve.

12x-16x?
Impossibru.

 

[erlim]

12x-16x?
Impossibru.

Are you in the know?

 

[Sipowicz]

Thinking about it, the 400 dollar ps4 could be a fair bit more powerful than the wii u

It's releasing a year or two later so tech should be cheaper. It doesn't need to be efficient or quiet. It doesn't have a beast of a controller jacking up the price

 

[Nizz]

Or

Scenario 3

Something in the middle. '10x'. As described by the last rumour. In whatever config (APU or APU+GPU) is more economical to manufacture.

Which, IMO, is the most likely scenario. That rumour seemed pretty reasonably realistic.

Also, for those saying that the visual quality on these consoles will be akin to a current gen game on higher PC settings...prepare to be very surprised. By the time the second generation of software rolls around at the very least anyway. What you will ultimately see on these machines will be way, way beyond what current software today looks like on similarly specced PC hardware.

Reading this post makes me so damn excited for the future.

 

[StealthGoblin]

Thinking about it, the 400 dollar ps4 could be a fair bit more powerful than the wii u

It's releasing a year or two later so tech should be cheaper. It doesn't need to be efficient or quiet. It doesn't have a beast of a controller jacking up the price

I would be surprised if the PS4 doesn't launch with motion controls in at a system level. Microsoft will have Kinect, Sony will have their solution and it won't exclusively be Move.

 

[Napalm_Frank]

I would be surprised if the PS4 doesn't launch with motion controls in at a system level. Microsoft will have Kinect, Sony will have their solution and it won't exclusively be Move.

SIXAXIS2 man.

 

[Proelite]

Are you in the know?

More so than GoFreak and Wii-U fans.

 

[omonimo]

Thinking about it, the 400 dollar ps4 could be a fair bit more powerful than the wii u

It's releasing a year or two later so tech should be cheaper. It doesn't need to be efficient or quiet. It doesn't have a beast of a controller jacking up the price

I hope you don't want the next ps4 at 599$ because I'm out this time.

 

[SniperHunter]

12x-16x?
Impossibru.

wow this guy is still going....

 

[StealthGoblin]

SIXAXIS2 man.

Its going to involve a much improved Camera. R&D has been going on for 3D cameras for almost as long as EyeToy. They had prototype cameras (basically two eyetoys sort of fused together) up and running a few years back.

 

[Melchiah]

Or

Scenario 3

Something in the middle. '10x'. As described by the last rumour. In whatever config (APU or APU+GPU) is more economical to manufacture.

Which, IMO, is the most likely scenario. That rumour seemed pretty reasonably realistic.

Also, for those saying that the visual quality on these consoles will be akin to a current gen game on higher PC settings...prepare to be very surprised. By the time the second generation of software rolls around at the very least anyway. What you will ultimately see on these machines will be way, way beyond what current software today looks like on similarly specced PC hardware.

That's what I'm hoping for, a repetition of what happened during the last two generational shifts, as most of the current high end PC pics on the thread Thuway linked don't really impress me that much, apart from the obvious higher resolution and textures.

 

[kuroshiki]

Or

Scenario 3

Something in the middle. '10x'. As described by the last rumour. In whatever config (APU or APU+GPU) is more economical to manufacture.

Which, IMO, is the most likely scenario. That rumour seemed pretty reasonably realistic.

Also, for those saying that the visual quality on these consoles will be akin to a current gen game on higher PC settings...prepare to be very surprised. By the time the second generation of software rolls around at the very least anyway. What you will ultimately see on these machines will be way, way beyond what current software today looks like on similarly specced PC hardware.

I'm with this. There is no way PC with Geforce 7600 can perform uncharted 3. Closed hardware X optimization can show some crazy amazing result.

 

[KageMaru]

Also, for those saying that the visual quality on these consoles will be akin to a current gen game on higher PC settings...prepare to be very surprised. By the time the second generation of software rolls around at the very least anyway. What you will ultimately see on these machines will be way, way beyond what current software today looks like on similarly specced PC hardware.

I thought most people referring to higher settings on pc games as examples were specifically talking about launch games. I agree that game later on will look better than anything shown now.

Remidy I think? Bondi Studio have said similar plus Crytek and Epic have said the next xbox is a beast (And they pushed for more memory from early on with the dev kits)

So would that mean the ps4 will be a mega-beast?

 

[K.Jack]

Can't wait to see what PD going to do with 7 to 10 times more power .

Take 10 years to release anything?

 

[rdrr gnr]

Take 10 years to release anything?

I think not. They'll be reusing a lot of their assets.

 

[iamvin22]

have we heard from rigby yet on this latest story?

 

[Chuck Norris]

I would be surprised if the PS4 doesn't launch with motion controls in at a system level. Microsoft will have Kinect, Sony will have their solution and it won't exclusively be Move.

Why is MS's solution Kinect? And why do people assume it is automatically a good soutionL Kinect has COMPLETELY fallen off a cliff. Nobody cares. It'd be like Nintendo launching a new console with. WiiU controller again

 

[XtremeXpider]

I thought most people referring to higher settings on pc games as examples were specifically talking about launch games. I agree that game later on will look better than anything shown now.



So would that mean the ps4 will be a mega-beast?

Lherre said that Durango is "more beast" than PS4.

 

[Chuck Norris]

Any pics of current gen console games running at 1080p?

Pretty much every bullshot released this gen? So all of them

 

[KageMaru]

Lherre said that Durango is "more beast" than PS4.

I know, I was just making a joke over how some people are already convinced one console will be more powerful than the other (and this goes both ways as demonstrated by the person in your post).

It comes off as an expectation brought on by what they personally want instead of some logical train of thought for some people. It's way to early to claim or even assume either will have a technical advantage at this point IMO.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

I know, I was just making a joke over how some people are already convinced one console will be more powerful than the other (and this goes both ways as demonstrated by the person in your post).

It comes off as an expectation brought on by what they personally want instead of some logical train of thought. It's way to early to claim or even assume either will have a technical advantage at this point IMO.

Truth is i think PS4 will have the edge but that is because i don't see them adding anything else other than a normal controller or using as much power for extra features compare to what MS has plan .
Not like it going to matter since they should be close to each other .

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Lherre said that Durango is "more beast" than PS4.

That was a long time ago and I believe was based on durangos larger RAM. According to this rumor the RAM situation may have changed

 

[KageMaru]

Truth is i think PS4 will have the edge but that is because i don't see them adding anything else other than a normal controller or using as much power for extra features compare to what MS has plan .
Not like it going to matter since they should be close to each other .

And that makes perfect sense. I agree that Kinect is not only a factor with the resources it may use but also how it will effect the overall BOM if it's included as standard. On top of Kinect, the rumored bloated OS is also a cause for concern IMO.

I edited my last post so that it shows I'm not applying this view to every person with said expectations. Sorry if I insulted you.

 

[GopherD]

I know, I was just making a joke over how some people are already convinced one console will be more powerful than the other (and this goes both ways as demonstrated by the person in your post).

It comes off as an expectation brought on by what they personally want instead of some logical train of thought for some people. It's way to early to claim or even assume either will have a technical advantage at this point IMO.

I don't really think anyone

Spoiler

apart from dumbass console warriors

really cares which is more powerful. We just want a big leap from the previous generation.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

And that makes perfect sense. I agree that Kinect is not only a factor with the resources it may use but also how it will effect the overall BOM if it's included as standard. On top of Kinect, the rumored bloated OS is also a cause for concern IMO.

I edited my last post so that it shows I'm not applying this view to every person with said expectations. Sorry if I insulted you.

Nah i did not feel insulted just saying my 2 cents on what i think going to happen .
Still you never know which is why the lead up to next gen is so much fun .