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vg247-PS4: new kits shipping now, AMD A10 used as base, final version next summer
- Thread starter Globox_82
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Optional blu-ray drive for the cheaper sku? Sounds awful and not cost-effective for manufacturing. And your prices for both SKUs are ridiculous.
-Pyromaniac-
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I'm gonna guess 2 SKUs of $399 and $449 for the PS4 release.
Having one sku without blu ray would fuck everything up.
All games would have to be released on DVDs. Horrible, horrible decisions on the manufacturers part if they did that. Plus blu ray drives aren't that expensive anymore.
The upper limit for SKUs doesn't make as much sense as the lower.
Whats awful and whats not cost effective? You could sell the drive with profit even!
The price is for first year/early adopters
What are you talking about? It would be download only.
Dont want a download only sku or cant afford the expensive sku? Grab a cheap version and a blu-ray drive and your somewhere in between pricewise.
A big factor in the price of a console (especially a brand new one) is manufacturing cost. It is in the companies best interest to waste as little money as possible on the manufacturing end so that money can be spent on the actual components. Having one sku with a drive and one without adds great cost to this process while at the same time unnecessarily dividing the user base. They would kill the momentum before it even started.
$449 for the CHEAP sku and $699 for the premium sku? Thats like $200 more than what people think is remotely acceptable even at launch.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Having a download only console is the biggest mistake they could ever make .
Not to mention your price for the one with the Blu ray is insane .
I don't think the PSeye will ship with consoles or be a necessary component. The same applies for PS3 BC. The only think I could see is a headset (which I hope they include) and HDD sizes to eventually a SSD. And maybe +, but that's not on the same level. I could see an ultra premium SKU at $599.
Download only is many, many, many, many years away from even being an option. Like not even next, next gen. When we are all chilling out with cheap FiOS connections with huge bandwidth limits then it becomes a viable option.
For now, it just cuts out too many people and makes no financial sence.
Well you didnt specify how the lower sku would work, it was easy to assume that if no blu ray then it would be dvd.
Now that you've clarified it makes even less sense.
For one the lower sku is supposedly targeted at those consumers looking for a cheaper option. Those people arent typically the type of people who have ultra fast internet connections with unlimited bandwith. Not to mention a download only console wouldnt realy work right now for reasons others have already pointed out.
Zoe
Member
Download only is the worst option for targeting the lowest common denominator.
Dont want download only, put in a blu-ray drive, and your in between cheap and expensive!
This way you cover all bases. They could build it as a slide in, shouldnt be complicated to manufacture at all! This way its easy to replace a broken blu-ray drive. You also make sure that the base performance is as high as possible! (In the cheap sku, all expences goes to up gaming performance)
gundamkyoukai
Member
450 is not cheap and now your adding the cost of the blu ray drive .
Not to mention MS will most certainly have a blu ray in every console which make things even worst for Sony .
Your idea makes no sense what so ever , the people that want the cheapest version don't want to do all that crap .
Read my post, I said 449 until sell out! Then 399! I`ll promise you if its graphically superior to xbox, it will sell!
Thank God you don't work for Sony. :lol
gundamkyoukai
Member
A DD only console will not sell out in the first place , you cutting off allot of customer .
No offence but you seriously should stop and think what you write before you post. Your inane opinions in an self created ideal vacuum of a world where dividing up user base is a good idea when a core fundamental object integrated with PS console is to be cut out and sold as a supplementary for profit to potential clients who are looking for a cheaper option and will not likely have either unlimited bandwidth or money (to upgrade the HDD) or speed (to download huge games meant for Bluray it may as well not be practical) and then selling it for $450 is massive crazy talk.
Hehe! Its always price vs what you get. And when your talking about game consoles, its the gaming experience first and foremost! This is where sony failed in my opinion! They wasted all there money in R&D on exotic hardware and that blu ray drive! Made no difference in gaming experience, none of it! There is a reason why millions buy pc`s to several thousand dollars.
Have anybody tried it, or do you have a crystal ball? I may live in a rich country, so that may have something to do with us seeing it different. But here all my friends downloads allmost all games from PSN+. Its common with fiber internet/tv so almost everyone have beefy internet.
Zoe
Member
Hey its you again. Wasnt it you that said it was out of the question with 1080p@60fps next gen? Two hours later this comes in The “ultimate goal” for the hardware, we were told, is for it to be able to run 1080p60 games in 3D with “no problem,”
Maybe its you that should seriously stop and think what you write. Also its nice to have a discussion without talking down to people.
EDIT: This is what you wrote: I'd say a safe bet would be to assume that PS4 should attain the visual quality of BF3 on ultimate settings at 720p@30fps
Now, I`m not interested in a pissing contest or anything, but please keep it in a polite manner. We all have different opinions.
Zoe: Yeah I edited that because it was unecsssary rude of me.
Like you said, it was my "safe bet". I've had my share of pie in the sky moments imagining how awesome the PS4's hardware maybe. And now I'm being very conservative with my estimates because of what I've read (from other posters here) and general bitching about potential price.
And yea, I still believe that just because Sony says it'll be capable of 1080p60fps doesn't mean the studios will be making games at the resolution and/or framerate unless mandated. And Sony knows not to tie down devs who try to get more out of a system by reducing the resolution to 720p which is still HD and pull back the fps to 30 (like the prettiest of games on consoles today). Sony also mentioned PS3 was capable of 1080p300fps. It's just throwing numbers out there without any real world meaning. Even the PS2 can perhaps run something at 300fps depending upon how little is on screen.
And talking down... I'm sorry but when you write things like fragmenting the market without understanding how it goes against the core principle of existence of a console, it just tires my patience. I mean which other consoles in recent history, did anyone of the competitors leave out an integral part fundamental to the operation of console as a supplementary add-on? We are very far from days of RAM packs and add-on CD drives.
-Pyromaniac-
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quite
It depends.
Scenario 1:
If it's an APU ONLY, it might be 4X PS3. Which would make current gen games running at 720p 30fps run at 1080p/60fps.
Scenario 2
If it's an APU and a discrete GPU (8850), it will be 12-16X PS3. This would be the Batman we need.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
but not the one you deserve.
Also I think 4x ps3 is conservative. Not that that's a bad thing, it's good be conservative. But it might be better than that.
Lol I'm not a PC gamer so all the tech talk just goes over my head. Scenario 2 is the one I want.
Scenario 2 is what we all want for both Orbis and Durango.
Except die hard Wii U Fanboys
IF you want to play that Agnis Philosophy, you will want 2.
4 x Ps3 would be absolutely awful by all means and no way i´d buy such a turd 7 years after the Ps3 release.
4-6X PS3 is easily "1080p, 60FPS" of current gen.
12-14X PS3 is what we all need and deserve.
GAF has this strong tendency to overreact and be a little conservative. We are talking SEVEN FUCKING years. If we don't get something that offers a tremendous leap visually- we will all be disappointed.
Start praying than.
I already am, but praying aside, i´m pretty confident Sony delivers, they always have.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Even if it's a APU only it going to be more than 4X the PS3 .
The A10 is over 700 GFLOPS and that without sony doing anything to it .
PS2 and PS3 are different architectures. We aren't talking about emulation. If someone were to design a game like GTA III today around today's architecture, it will run at 1080p / 60fps.
I´m pretty sure that the HD Collections are not utilizing the full PS3 power.
Nothing I have quoted is some exotic expensive piece of equipment. A powerful 2013 APU with a 8850 will be in line with $400-450 dollars to produce. That is 14-16X PS3. It's been seven years man, think about it.
Jason's Ultimatum
Member
Any pics of current gen console games running at 1080p?
Jason's Ultimatum
Member
What about BF3? Will PS4/Durango be able to get at least 720/30fps at max settings?
AgentChris
Member
I would rather see pics of what a PS4 Uncharted would look like. I can't imagine what ND would do with PS4.