Jeez it's terrible. There is no way I would buy a console at that price, it's crazy.
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vg247-PS4: new kits shipping now, AMD A10 used as base, final version next summer
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Jeez it's terrible. There is no way I would buy a console at that price, it's crazy.
If this is going to happen a low launch price wouldn´t change anything , the consoles will reach the sub 300/$ area sooner or later anyway.
Yup, exclusives will play an even bigger role next gen IMO.
I don't see anyone championing $600. $400 on the other hand...
Sure, but that would be horrible IMO. I'm not tied to any corporate devotion, but I still wouldn't want to see Sony or MS pushed out of getting ports. That would segment the market even more and likely leave one of them out in the cold sales-wise.
Thankfully, as you said, that won't happen.
Excuse me? Quote one post that has done this.
There is a leaked Microsoft PDF which explicitly states what the design goals for the next Xbox are. We already have dev kits out in the wild that have given pretty solid numbers. Which are thankfully a bit better than expected.
We also have people both in the know and out the know who are claiming Sony hasn't finalized things.
If Sony goes for the A10 + 8850, you can bet your ass it will have the edge in terms of performance. Not including a Kinnect in every box and going for the best possible "guts" will give it the performance edge.
So yeah, fanboy dreams right?
Fanboy dreams or not, the PS4 will be based around gaming in mind. A console with a A10 + 8850 can fit under the 200 watt cap and reach 3 teraflops. The only question is RAM. The only dream on GAF is the one where Orbis and Durango are marginally more powerful than the Wii U with a significant price hike.
Their will be more exclusives next gen but i feel Sony and MS will go and try to sell multi platform in a new type of model like netflix type for lower end games.
I dunno... SNES and Genesis managed fine somehow. But I doubt that scenario will happen anyway since both consoles will be essentially modified PCs.
I even heard MS is now going for more of a set top box direction and would be happy for a modest 4x jump in performance.
You mean streaming games like OnLive?
I wouldn't go this far. A 4X increase would not be something attractive to developers. I think it will be 20-25% less powerful than PS4 if it includes Kinnect in the box. If not, I expect 95% parity.
But the launch determines the whole trend of the console, most of the times. Gives to the customers the impression that ps4 is overpriced & the ps3 case will repeat again.
Yeah....E3 will be interesting indeed.
Edit: Meant to add, you guys really need to stop going back to that 2010 PPT file, but hey this isn't the first time that's been suggested.
The leaked PDF mentions a second generation Kinnect and has strong ties between the set top box and the next PlayStation. Microsoft would be the one to go for an all-in-one APU if they really are going for a set top box form factor.
At 200 watts, the PS4 will look eerily similar in size to the OG PS3.
Game rentals
That's cool bro, but you also need to realize there are enough people to sustain sell outs at the $400-$500 price point. You can buy the console either A) Used or B) Wait.
they could make it smaller by having an external PSU.
...Next year can't come soon enough.
That definitely would be a nifty idea. I guess they could allow pre-loading and then disable the game after a week or so.
Launch buyers don't care. We will pay up. People are begging for new consoles. You are a mid range buyer. That's why price drops occure. They are hitting the entire market that way. If ms and Sony do what you want they will lose gamers to PC. I know if the games don't knock my socks off and at least do some things my pc can't do as easily I won't be a buyer at all.
I would like to believe so, but I'm really skeptical. I don't know how a lot of people here is so sure about it.
This is true, but Sony has yet to put an external PSU in any of their machines. Reliability over a smaller form factor I suppose, but it would be nice to see some of that old PlayStation design hackery from back in the PS2 era. Less OG PS3 and more OG PS2.
Didn't the first version of the ps2 slim have an external PSU?
This has been mentioned before, but I'll repeat it for the sake of redundancy.
People spend $600 on tablets, cell phones, and other luxury electronics. Gaming has a similar rabid and convicted fanbase. Don't be surpised if the first 10 million of either console sell out at the launch price. Either you can save the money, or you can wait like the rest of society.
Maybe this isn't a fair parallel but similarly priced tablets sell well. And gaming is still one of the most expensive hobbies. There are enough dedicated fans out there to sell out first run consoles. However, I do think that breaks down after $599.
Edit: Beaten like a motherfucker.
You do realize that the crusty old 360 sells for 299 right now right? We are talking at most an extra $200 for cutting edge (to most people) new consoles. Most adults during Christmas, birthdays won't bat an eyelash at that and single income earners making more than 40k a year will just laugh it off. There are plenty of buyers for a well made console.
What IS dangerous is making a watered down semi upgrade where existing owners don't see the pressing point of moving up or coming back from PC.
DragonKnight
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I coulda swore i saw a thuway post (perhaps in the 720 threads) about how the next gen systems should maximize power and launch at 600 dollar price tags and that there would be a minority to sustain such a price tag. Even 500 is too much. I think 400 for sizeable leap is the absoluts maximum.
Saint Gregory
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I thought the PS2 slim had an external PSU or am I remembering wrong?
Edit: beaten, F5 should be my friend.
They kind of do, if the Wii was any indicator. And on the other end there is the Panasonic 3D0 and NeoGeo, which indicates it is completely possible to overprice the hardware.
DragonKnight
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To those that have the data: did the ps3 sell over, at, or under sonys projections when it launched?
The issue is, you want the console on launch day. Launch day, if Microsoft and Sony have learned anything, is a time frame where the enthusiasts are willing to pay a "marginal" premium. Does that mean FIFE HUNDWED NINETYNAAAINE US DOLLAS? No, but either manufacturer would be stupid to not try and go for a multi branded strategy.
A gimped box at $399,
A normal set at $449,
And a premium box at $499.
DragonKnight
Member
So i should be snubbed because i want my console on launch day? I Definitely agree with the multiple sku approach.
No, but GAF is notorious for playing the victim card. No one will be stupid enough to launch a $599 system, there are too many factors to prevent this. However, if you take inflation into account, 2006 $399 is roughly $500 in 2012 money. Hell Nintendo decided to charge $349 for a system that is arguably using antiquated tech.
The industry is resting on the laurels of these next-gen consoles. We cannot have another generation where manufacturers are fighting developers.
Definitely below, but they'll never admit that.
Barack Lesnar
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AUS has higher average income (I think) so that kind of offsets it but probably not by much
Total payment upfront isn't going to be so much of a issue this round.
Subscription payments will occur with next gen, guaranteed.
They could have a huge initial install base and make the majority of their money from attachments just like they do now. Such as DLC, Media Features, Subscriptions, Games, Online Service etc etc.
Plus if people are locked into a contract, they have to pay that specific amount which could take years. Whilst at the same time manufacturing costs decrease.
This will hopefully allow a state-of-the-art system that can be paid off in due time.
Remember, no other consumer electronics device has a shelf life even close to what a console has.
With the current progression technology is having, surely this is the only option they have.
I mean how happy will you be, if in 4 years time, your phone, right there in your hand, has more power than either of these in development consoles. You'd be pissed. Just look at what PC gamers carry on about. Times that by a thousand. No-one would buy consoles ever again.
Subscription payments will occur with next gen, guaranteed.
They could have a huge initial install base and make the majority of their money from attachments just like they do now. Such as DLC, Media Features, Subscriptions, Games, Online Service etc etc.
Plus if people are locked into a contract, they have to pay that specific amount which could take years. Whilst at the same time manufacturing costs decrease.
This will hopefully allow a state-of-the-art system that can be paid off in due time.
Remember, no other consumer electronics device has a shelf life even close to what a console has.
With the current progression technology is having, surely this is the only option they have.
I mean how happy will you be, if in 4 years time, your phone, right there in your hand, has more power than either of these in development consoles. You'd be pissed. Just look at what PC gamers carry on about. Times that by a thousand. No-one would buy consoles ever again.
If there is demand for the console because the hardware/games are attractive the people will buy it, some will wait for a few price cuts others not, but no one will say : I won´t buy a PS4 because it started with a high price 4 years ago!
I think the subscription plan is going to be very attractive to the console makers
Buy the console at a lower cost, but you're tied into a monthly/quarterly playstation plus-a-like subscription to make up the rest
Not only does it mean you're more likely to afford and thus buy the console early on, but you're also tied to their service for however long, so you're likely to keep buying games, dlc and accessories
Buy the console at a lower cost, but you're tied into a monthly/quarterly playstation plus-a-like subscription to make up the rest
Not only does it mean you're more likely to afford and thus buy the console early on, but you're also tied to their service for however long, so you're likely to keep buying games, dlc and accessories
Red_taiyaki
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Wonder when the PS4 will be out. Debating if I should pick up a Wii U or not to tide me over until the time comes.
You are guranteed a full year of Wii U. Most likely more than that.
What does this mean, though? Just HDD or SSD space?
Napalm_Frank
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HDD space, Kinect, PSeye, PS3 BC, PS+/live, headsets are possibilities.
I'm not too informed but apparently MS might pack Kinect with every console :/.
By today's dollars the 3do and neogeo would both be over 1k each.
CaseyTappy
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1080p 60fps in 3D !
A toned down PS3 then , I thought that did double 1080p 60fps in 4D ?
A toned down PS3 then , I thought that did double 1080p 60fps in 4D ?
PS3`s problem was never price! I`ve been saying this over and over! It was what it delivered in terms of a gaming platform for that price. When you have a cheaper option with equal/better graphics/features you`re in trouble! (xbox)
If Sony decides to go the "weak/cheap" way, its going to lose many of its customers. Then they are competing in the nintendo space more or less.
What they should do I think, is offering a super stripped down sku, and a feature rich sku.
Stripped down sku: No Blu-Ray drive (upgrade-able, sold seperate with a profit), smaller ssd (128gb, upgrade-able, custom sold with profit), cheaper box, fewer input/outputs. Just the core experience (for kids/mass market) to around 449@ launch (for as long as they got sell outs, then reduce price to 399)
Feature rich sku: Fast Blu-Ray drive, big ssd (256gb), luxury box and whatnot to around 699@launch (for as long as they got sell outs, then reduce price to 599)
If Sony decides to go the "weak/cheap" way, its going to lose many of its customers. Then they are competing in the nintendo space more or less.
What they should do I think, is offering a super stripped down sku, and a feature rich sku.
Stripped down sku: No Blu-Ray drive (upgrade-able, sold seperate with a profit), smaller ssd (128gb, upgrade-able, custom sold with profit), cheaper box, fewer input/outputs. Just the core experience (for kids/mass market) to around 449@ launch (for as long as they got sell outs, then reduce price to 399)
Feature rich sku: Fast Blu-Ray drive, big ssd (256gb), luxury box and whatnot to around 699@launch (for as long as they got sell outs, then reduce price to 599)
See, I'm in the exact same boat. Maybe it's because we were a bit more safer during the Global Exonomic Crisis. Maybe it's because we naturally pay higher prices for stuff to begin with.
I understand that buying new technology at launch is never the way to go to save money.
I do however think ahead and plan stuff like that. It's an investment in a hobby that should last many years so yeah, I'm willing to save up the cash given the right launch titles and what not.
I'm far from rich but even I can put away a few dollars a week to purchase a new console in a year.
So it amuses me when people claim there's some cut off point when a console will be dead in the water if its too expensive. While that is true to a degree it's still laughable.
The problem with that is parity of user experience. You have to tailor your games to the lowest common denominator (assume no BR DRIVE, less memory, slower memory) and it effects the experience for all users.
Right now I'm debating on getting an x51 or waiting for the new consoles.
Which speaks to others point that there are a number of people who would pay a launch premium and that an initial high price followed by a fairly soon price cut, while offering a subscription model as well, might not be a bad idea.
The disparity cannot be that great.
No no! The chipset will be just the same! Equal performance!
Your just cutting down on the meat around the bone. The sony subsidising will just be on the stripped down sku. There are always people who wants the best and are willing and able to pay for it!
Tallshortman
Member
It could be really successful (no idea how the 360's subscription thing is working out) however it's not really a shoe in because unlike the mobile phone market, a subscription service isn't a necessity for the console whereas with handsets you're going to need a carrier whether it's on or off contract.