thehypocrite
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Dual APUs? That's a rumor not worth the bytes it occupies. I'm sure other more plausible possibilities can be discussed.
VGLeaks rumor: Durango CPU Overview
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Which is funny since that thread only lasted 5 posts until Nirolak started digging further with duckroll and Lasgana.
What does that have to do with your spin? You said B3D brushed it off, it was one user.
(B3D isnt a gaming forum and the expectation for them to be as active as GAF is largely misplaced)
Be honest, did you really thought what you were reading was true a year ago?
Because I sure didn't.
I went with full on skepticism when I posted it on GAF.
In the OP I said take it with a pinch of salt.
shinra-bansho
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There's some sort of cognitive dissonance going on where people are simultaneously adhering to the refrain that:
"Overall, power doesn't matter. The performance differences probably won't be that great anyway. The general consumer won't care."*
While concurrently leaping fervently onto any and every rumor that would a) make Durango much than currently more credible leaks suggest; and/or b) make Durango surpass the announced PS4 specs. Even ideas as ridiculous as the "dual APU" nonsense.
This all under something of an overarching irony that the leaked Durango specs are not "bad" per se; it's a considerable power increase from the PS360. The design doesn't seem "worse" than the PS4, albeit ultimately less powerful; it seems like a smart design around different priorities.
Sony seemingly just lucked out, so to speak, in GDDR5 densities reaching a point where they could match the quantity in Durango.
*I agree with this statement, to an extent.
Most people recognise the implausibility and lack of credibility to the claim.
Others sing the song of "It's possible, anything's possible, they're all rumors."
"Overall, power doesn't matter. The performance differences probably won't be that great anyway. The general consumer won't care."*
While concurrently leaping fervently onto any and every rumor that would a) make Durango much than currently more credible leaks suggest; and/or b) make Durango surpass the announced PS4 specs. Even ideas as ridiculous as the "dual APU" nonsense.
This all under something of an overarching irony that the leaked Durango specs are not "bad" per se; it's a considerable power increase from the PS360. The design doesn't seem "worse" than the PS4, albeit ultimately less powerful; it seems like a smart design around different priorities.
Sony seemingly just lucked out, so to speak, in GDDR5 densities reaching a point where they could match the quantity in Durango.
*I agree with this statement, to an extent.
A random poster on B3D with no history says that there'll be two of the APU that's been leaked in the neXBOX.
Most people recognise the implausibility and lack of credibility to the claim.
Others sing the song of "It's possible, anything's possible, they're all rumors."
Yeah. Then went on to say we'll learn more on March 6th. But the internal meeting is supposed to be on March 7th.
Who did say this? Someone here on GAF or B3D? (Don't tell me it's misterxmedia)
JonathanPower
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A dual APU system with 16 jaguar cores, 2 GPUs, 2 ESRAM pools, 2 OS running in real time? Cliffy B confirming this? Yeah, it's all true. Believe.
It's probably not him.
http://beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1715919&postcount=1675
He would never say that. But he ends off by giving an advantage to Sony anyway.
dragonelite
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On B3D....
Would be awesome dual APU but not doable but then again 95% also said it about 8gb gddr5 i know its not the same. But rumors being rumors.
amstradcpc
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Considering how close VGLeaks information on PS4 specs matched up to reality (if even first party devs didn't know about 8GDDR5 it's hardly surprising VGL didn't either), I'm inclined to believe their word on Xbox3 specs being accurate up to the last few months (2013 comment), unless proven otherwise.
Pie-in-the-sky pseudo-rumour plucked from the ether by a (now un-)banned nobody hiding beneath someone else's name doesn't (shouldn't) even get a look-in.
Pie-in-the-sky pseudo-rumour plucked from the ether by a (now un-)banned nobody hiding beneath someone else's name doesn't (shouldn't) even get a look-in.
I agree with this post wholeheartedly. I honestly think that Microsoft's rumored entertainment box that plays games strategy is more financially sound than Sony's even if I, and probably a lot of gaffers, would prefer Microsoft to adopt the same games/developer focused philosophy.
He isn't banned anymore.
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There's no cognitive dissonance. People are saying that for the overall market processing power doesn't matter as long as you're not the whole generation behind, and that's absolutely true (and consoles like Wii and DS make a good case for processing power not mattering even when your competitors are a whole generation ahead). At the same time, they would like the next Xbox to have as good hardware as possible for personal reasons.
Hold on, are folk giving this any credence? I'm, er, doubting it strongly but I've been wrong before.
A random dude writes a post about practically "double everything" and it's gained some / much traction? Hmm.
Hope it's true as double is clearly better but... heh.
Not long til the 6th I guess!
EDIT: And Sony has the advantage anyway?! So, the logical conclusion is if the nextbox doesn't have this dual APU set up the PS4 is theoretically around twice as powerful as the nextbox? Gosh!
IHaveCandy
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Two full APUs doesn't make sense because there'd be a lot of redundant silicon not doing anything to benefit performance. It would be like duct-taping two trucks together to haul more weight instead of just making a bigger truck with a bigger engine.
Thanks!
my 2 cents :
I had some private chat with one specific GAF member and he told me that MS built multiple (power)options for Durango to be able to compete with sony if they beef up their specs. MS itself allegedly hasn't decided on a build when I had this conversation.
Up until now I was under the impressions that these builds only differ in clock speeds and maybe RAM specs.
I don't think it's impossible to run 2 APUs but it's highly unlikely (and not only because no dev besides first party won't be able to use this properly).
An APU+GPU approach sounds more feasible.
Tinfoilhat speculation:
What if MS leaked all the specs on purpose and also only gave this specs to devs so Sony got confident to go first? The leaked specs are enough to produce good looking launch games while they would be able to keep the bomb (aka a second APU/GPU) inhouse until the presentation.
Another thing could be that the second APU is basically the one that can be found in the 360 slim and it's only purpose is BC?
IHaveCandy
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Doesn't SLI only show significant benefit when you go into extremely high resolutions its not like MS is shooting for 4K gaming.
I'm hoping for the BC thing to be true.
Don't expect much games during the keynote.
But what about sony's box wouldn't also be able to be an entertainment box? They'll both have all the services including their own fist oarty video and music stores. I guess a lot depends on whether Durango has HDMI pass through (have we heard anything recently on that) and how it's OS is handled more than actual power
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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People forget that Microsoft was very much working on a multi-soc design, at least up until last year when Paul Thurrot said they dropped the Yukon design which had two or three socs.
There could have been a competing project, or simply things from that design got rolled over into another project.
There could have been a competing project, or simply things from that design got rolled over into another project.
In the US at least, yeah, I agree. For this strategy to succeed worldwide, MS biggest hurdle will be getting the US centric functionality working in the rest of the world. It's a relatively trivial thing for them to integrate in with US cable stations, but Europe is a clusterfuck of dozens of differnet standards and systems.
Even with internet based services like Netflix, they're only availble in a few countries. When I see what non-gaming services are available to US 360 owners, and compare it to what services are available in Australia, there is not comparision. The US has a fuck load, I don't.
I think the reason the 360 has done so well in the UK is it has had a large number of UK based services added (Sky player etc). In France, or Brazil, or Hong Kong? I doubt there is anything.
I'd take anything at the moment if I'm honest with you. After the alleged April thing some devs hinting or even revealing games in development would be great. "First party" would be great but I understand those reveals will be more carefully revealed.
I know you're right but I don't wanna stop believing!
les papillons sexuels
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to be completely honest, i wouldnt be surprised if the early leaks, and early system specs that were floating around were a ploy to make sony raise their own system specs, so that MS could undercut the playstation 4 at launch and offer up something quite a bit cheaper.
but its late and that seems pretty consipracy esque.
but its late and that seems pretty consipracy esque.
Even if that was true it works out pretty well for Sony in the end. The APU in the PS4 IS very powerful for a console.
MS leaks happened quite recently. BY the time they hit the web, the PS4 architecture was locked, albeit minor details such as memory bumps and frequency boost could eventually get tweaked. You are living in a fantasy world where companies would let their rivals display their tech less than one year before release only to go back and mount an even better solution in a matter of weeks : design it, build it, test it and manufacture it ovenight! is a motto that exists nowhere in reality.
Second, why would you hide a second APU from developers? That is a silly approach!
Fact is, IF Durango specs end up diverging significantly from the rumored ones, it will only mean that the changes happened long before the late 2012 leaks frenzy...
Interesting, but it doesn't change my argument. Anyone here could probably create a similar post, should they be so inclined.
I'm not saying that they changed stuff but rather developed 2 or more systems in parallel. (that's why I said tinfoilhat-speculation)
dead monkey uk
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Do not think this is the case, the 360 was doing very well before Sky, Lovefilm etc launched. I think COD and timed exclusive map packs and the Live community has a lot to do with UK success.
The 360 launched before the PS3 so was able to gain a large lead, also the PS3 launch price in UK did not help its uptake.
The PS3 has been making some great progress in the UK over the last couple of years. PSN has really taken off, plus Sony's software lineup this year is so much better than the 360s.
Galacticos
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Even if this new "rumor" is true, does it maka any difference?
The reason developers didnt know about the second APU is probably because they will never have control of it, so there is no point in telling them about it.
Its probably a low cost APU for the OS portions of Durango and "Always-on" functionalities.
The reason developers didnt know about the second APU is probably because they will never have control of it, so there is no point in telling them about it.
Its probably a low cost APU for the OS portions of Durango and "Always-on" functionalities.
Best case scenario is it brings it closer to the single GPU power of PS4.
Anything going over that could be wishful thinking.
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France has 21 service now and 14 listed as coming, Brazil 14 now and 11 coming, Hong Kong 14 now and 3 coming. Australia is not that bad, with 25 services now and 8 more coming. Of course, United states is far ahead of everyone else with 54 apps now and 28 more coming, while United Kingdom has 35 now and 15 more coming.
Monty Mole
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What keynote?
where do you check stuff like that..? Could you check Denmark and the Faroe Islands..?
Source?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_applications
I already did tell you about Denmark in another thread, if you can remember.
No one will buy an Xbox (or PS4 or Apple TV or Etc) just for most of the shitty services listed on that page. Its about the high profile services: Netflix, Facebook, Twitter, Sky Player, HBO. Services that are US/Canada/UK only.
It will be the same with cable integration. If in international markets, you get maybe one partner, where as the US will integrate with all the main services, it won't be a selling point. In fact, it could be the opposite. Seen as an international slap on then face. 21st Century regional locking.
It will be the same with cable integration. If in international markets, you get maybe one partner, where as the US will integrate with all the main services, it won't be a selling point. In fact, it could be the opposite. Seen as an international slap on then face. 21st Century regional locking.
Maximilian Kolbe
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Does something like this even warrant a response? Well, since you already know what each and every one of hundreds of million of people will want to buy a console for, I suppose you might as well tell us how this generation pans out so we can all go to bed.
Oh, and did Shenmue 3 finally come out?
So developers got 2 sets of dev kits? to develop two games for?.
If they haven't decided what there doing by now they aren't launching this year.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
As someone who is heavily invested in the Xbox ecosystem and plans to purchase the next Xbox, it is sad to see others in the same boat as me clinging to these ridiculous rumors. Fuck man, lets just keep our hype low and not set ourselves for disappointment. Most sources point to the next Xbox being technically trumped by the PS4, so let's just come to terms with it. As long as I get a proper evolution of the Xbox 360 games and services, I will be happy.
dragonelite
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Yeah same for me..
But it's still fun to travel with the Crazy Circus..
Im now more interested in Alan wake 2 or some of the new IP.
Angelus Errare
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The crazies crack me up personally. I mean we're at the "believe ANYTHING" portion of imminent console launches. They've lost the ability to rationally think about things.