VGLeaks rumor: Durango CPU Overview

Angelus Errare said:
Well it is utterly silly to think AMD is going "Hey Sony, this is what we'll be putting in the new MS console" *shows Sony the hardware*. Then they're turning around and going "hey MS, here is what Sony is putting in the hardware!"

The lawsuit that would result from that would probably kill AMD.
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Of course they wouldn't do that, but vague communication definitely happens. Stuff like " well, if you only go with 2GB Of RAM, you might not be competitive. Think about increasing it". Said by the right person, it will definitely deliver the message without technically breaking any in place NDAs.
 
Drek said:
And this whole post underscores MS' big gamble, now doesn't it?

Nintendo caught a blue ocean market with the Wii. They tried it again with the Wii U and so far it looks like they whiffed pretty badly. Now MS is trying to do the same thing with the X720 and Kinect.

If they miss on the incredibly fickle "blue ocean" they're targeting because of iOS and Android devices (what many attribute to the Wii's sudden and abrupt stall) then all they have is an under powered system with features no core gamer cares about.

Meanwhile Sony is taking the "safe" play by going for the proven, reliable core gamer market full force. If they really do have tangible hardware superiority and are at a competitive price standpoint they'll be well on their way to a very strong platform with no additional risks tied onto them.

Also, if MS does go with the currently rumored specs there will be a tangible difference between PS4 and X720 games. Since both use similar hardware and are x86 systems built on AMD/ATi GPU technology it will actually scale amazingly easy, making the power gap consistently apparent in pretty much all cross platform titles, not to mention how much better Sony's first party releases will clearly be.
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The difference between nintendos approach with the WiiU and MS's approach with the 720 is that MS are not soley relying on the blue ocean stratagy, with proposed specs of 720 3rd party games will still look a very noticeable step up to current gen stuff and the console will still appeal to the 'core' gamer.

Granted there will be poeple who go ''fifa and COD on PS4 are 1080p 2xMSAA and its only 1080p on the 720 so i'am getting the PS4 version''

but like I said those people are a minority compared to families and other people swayed by motion, price and overall package value
 
pswii60 said:
Even if it does leak, it'll still be a rumour. Because we can't verify a leak until MS officially announces things. So we'll still be going around in circles :)
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That's all this thread is at this point. People going round in circles.

Hopefully something of substance leaks from these supposed Durango retail meetings MS is holding today.
 
REMEMBER CITADEL said:
Clearly. I wish you had any proof for that statement when, looking at this generation, Sony's first party games were generally neither better critically nor commercially received than Microsoft's.
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I don't believe anyone would be able to soundly state that there were more exclusive titles released from Microsoft than from Sony. If you need links, go to metacritic or gamerankings. To say that titles from Sony were not "better" received is subjective. What are you basing that on? Sales? Factors need to be taken into consideration depending on the discussion. For example, if you're looking at titles that were released early in the cycle and are basing your comment on sales numbers (not ratings), you need to keep the install base at the time in perspective (along with the market you're talking about - U.S. only? Worldwide?). To imply that Microsoft exclusives were better critically and commercially received than Sony exclusives across the board is ridiculous.
 
REMEMBER CITADEL said:
They could fail, of course, and they could fail spectacularly, but that will likely have little to do with a difference in processing power that is within the same ballpark as differences in the previous few generations, including the one in which Sony's underpowered console (compared to GameCube and especially Xbox) had no problem appealing to the core gamers and smoking its competitors.
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Sounds like a revisionist take on history, as GC and Xbox were released much later than PS2, and by that time the PS2 had a sizable lead in userbase. More appropriate comparison would be DC and PS2, regarding on how much the specs and the public conception affected the outcome. I wager the specs will play a more important role now, that the PS4 and XB3 will be released at the same time, as they're essentially competing for the same customers, unlike Nintendo.



dead monkey uk said:
Apple have made a business out of doing this exact thing.

Is that not what I just answered. The casual crowd have most likely moved on, but come Holiday time, some will be looking for the next shiny new thing.
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Microsoft is no Apple though.

I doubt motion controls will make such an impression this time, but of course I could be wrong.



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BlockheadBrown said:
I don't believe anyone would be able to soundly state that there were more exclusive titles released from Microsoft than from Sony. If you need links, go to metacritic or gamerankings. To say that titles from Sony were not "better" received is subjective. What are you basing that on? Sales? Factors need to be taken into consideration depending on the discussion. For example, if you're looking at titles that were released early in the cycle and are basing your comment on sales numbers (not ratings), you need to keep the install base at the time in perspective (along with the market you're talking about - U.S. only? Worldwide?). To imply that Microsoft exclusives were better critically and commercially received than Sony exclusives across the board is ridiculous.
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Well, according to Metacritic's 2012 data they're pretty much in the same ballpark, both in scores and the amount of titles.

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ekim said:
We will see today if he is full of shit (
he certainly is
).

http://beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1715919&postcount=1675
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I love how Proelite and Reiko actually respond and are hanging on his every word. Shows how easy it is for some random person with no history to throw out a tech sounding hook and get a few fish.

"Ya, MS is going with two main boards and two APUs, ya that's the ticket."

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AgentP said:
I love how Proelite and Reiko actually respond and are hanging on his every word. Shows how easy it is for some random person with no history to throw out a tech sounding hook and get a few fish.
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They do? I see nothing that backs this up.

What I do see is proelite calling him a fraud and general cynicism. I don't see either of those two or in fact anyone, 'hanging on his every word".

The event that's March 6-7 is the annual Microsoft Research Techfest available only to Microsoft FTEs.

I think it's safe to say that CliffordB is a fraud.
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You're free to prove me wrong with any posts I might have missed though.
 
AgentP said:
I love how Proelite and Reiko actually respond and are hanging on his every word. Shows how easy it is for some random person with no history to throw out a tech sounding hook and get a few fish.

"Ya, MS is going with two main boards and two APUs, ya that's the ticket."

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lol... thats the stupidest thing i have seen... they actually believe that? It seems written to be humorous too.
 
BlockheadBrown said:
I don't believe anyone would be able to soundly state that there were more exclusive titles released from Microsoft than from Sony. If you need links, go to metacritic or gamerankings. To say that titles from Sony were not "better" received is subjective. What are you basing that on? Sales? Factors need to be taken into consideration depending on the discussion. For example, if you're looking at titles that were released early in the cycle and are basing your comment on sales numbers (not ratings), you need to keep the install base at the time in perspective (along with the market you're talking about - U.S. only? Worldwide?). To imply that Microsoft exclusives were better critically and commercially received than Sony exclusives across the board is ridiculous.
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Metacritic actually does an annual Roundup for publishers. For 2012, MS and Sony were pretty close on quantity and quality. It's not nearly as lopsided as some here would believe, mostly because MS publishes lots of quality XBLA titles that "don't count" for some reason.

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pswii60 said:
Also worth keeping in mind that the Sony statistics there include their Vita releases. I don't think MS released any unique PC releases that weren't also on 360.
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There are Windows 8 titles that aren't on the 360. It depends on how you want to slice it. Looking back at previous reports from metacritic, some titles don't make their cut due to not being rated or something like that. It makes the comparison more difficult.
 
Sho_Nuff82 said:
Metacritic actually does an annual Roundup for publishers. For 2012, MS and Sony were pretty close on quantity and quality. It's not nearly as lopsided as some here would believe, mostly because MS publishes lots of quality XBLA titles that "don't count" for some reason.
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Yep.

The number of highly rated games that are on the Xbox 360 and not the PS3 is pretty much the same as the vice versa (highly rated PS3 games that aren't on the Xbox 360).

(The late "Kinect" period of this gen.)

2010:
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2011:
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2012:
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Sho_Nuff82 said:
Metacritic actually does an annual Roundup for publishers. For 2012, MS and Sony were pretty close on quantity and quality. It's not nearly as lopsided as some here would believe, mostly because MS publishes lots of quality XBLA titles that "don't count" for some reason.
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Indie titles aren't included. Mini titles aren't included. There's holes all over the place here.
 
Miles Quaritch said:
They do? I see nothing that backs this up.

What I do see is proelite calling him a fraud and general cynicism. I don't see either of those two or in fact anyone, 'hanging on his every word".
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Did you read the thread at B3D?

http://beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=62867&page=68

Reiko said:
This is the kind of next gen crazy I like reading.
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Reiko said:
On topic: Speculation is fun, especially with how crazy the rumors can get. Better than the boring and expected rumors we've been getting so far.
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Proelite said:
So... Welcome to b3d. Enjoy your stay.
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Maybe Proelite was being sarcastic.
 
Bgamer90 said:
Yep.

The number of highly rated games that are on the Xbox 360 and not the PS3 is pretty much the same as the vice versa (highly rated PS3 games that aren't on the Xbox 360).
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WTF does this have to do with the thread topic about CPUs? Make a new thread and have your list wars.
 
BlockheadBrown said:
Indie titles aren't included. Mini titles aren't included. There's holes all over the place here.
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The discussion always changes in terms of which games one can actually bring up to show how the Xbox still has had many solid "core" games after kinect released. Here is the usual breakdown of the debates.

Step 1: State overall core games.

Step 2: State overall core RETAIL games.

Step 3: State overall core "AAA" RETAIL games.

Step 4: State overall core "AAA" RETAIL GAMES THAT AREN'T SEQUELS.


Doesn't make sense at all lol.
 
AgentP said:
WTF does this have to do with the thread topic about CPUs? Make a new thread and have your list wars.
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I'm not the one that started the discussion. Was just replying to what someone said.

Plus it really isn't a "war" if I'm showing how both are pretty equal (instead of one having an overall advantage).

I'll stop though :P
 
Bgamer90 said:
The discussion always changes in terms of which games one can actually bring up to show how the Xbox still has had many solid "core" games after kinect released. Here is the usual breakdown of the debates.

Step 1: State overall core games.

Step 2: State overall core RETAIL games.

Step 3: State overall core "AAA" RETAIL games.

Step 4: State overall core "AAA" RETAIL GAMES THAT AREN'T SEQUELS.


Doesn't make sense at all lol.
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Heh. Spot on.
 
Sho_Nuff82 said:
Metacritic actually does an annual Roundup for publishers. For 2012, MS and Sony were pretty close on quantity and quality. It's not nearly as lopsided as some here would believe, mostly because MS publishes lots of quality XBLA titles that "don't count" for some reason.

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Oh come on, generally when people are talking exclusive console titles they think of the respective first-party portfolios. Perhaps a better way to put it is to compare just these and not every small indie game.

And then if you don't like Halo or Forza, there's little to interest you. Same can be said for Sony - you don't like Killzone or Gran Turismo but you can at least choose from Uncharted, Heavy Rain, LBP, God of War etc.

And are some of these XBLA titles not on PC as well?

Edit: anyway off topic
 
AgentP said:
Did you read the thread at B3D?

http://beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=62867&page=68

Maybe Proelite was being sarcastic.
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I did, but the posts you've quoted don't suggest they were hanging onto his every word. In fact, at least two of the posts in question have considerable sarcastic overtones.

I understand sarcasm can be hard to detect over the internet, but it takes some doing not to see these posts as laden with sarcasm. They are positively dripping with it.

This is the kind of next gen crazy I like reading.
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So... Welcome to b3d. Enjoy your stay.
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BlockheadBrown said:
I don't believe anyone would be able to soundly state that there were more exclusive titles released from Microsoft than from Sony.
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He said that Sony's first party releases would clearly be much better, not that there would be more of them. Those are two completely different things.


To say that titles from Sony were not "better" received is subjective. What are you basing that on? Sales?
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Critical reception? Average review scores. Commercial reception? Average sales. They're in the same ballpark.


To imply that Microsoft exclusives were better critically and commercially received than Sony exclusives across the board is ridiculous.
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Another strawman, I never said that. I agree that would be ridiculous, just as it would be ridiculous claiming the opposite, which is what Drek implied and what you don't seem to have a problem with.


Melchiah said:
Sounds like a revisionist take on history, as GC and Xbox were released much later than PS2, and by that time the PS2 had a sizable lead in userbase.
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So there are clearly other factors much more important than processing power and visuals. It's worth noting that Microsoft's apparent desire to focus on broader penetration from the very start might also produce a sizable lead in userbase early on - if it works, of course, and it's way too early to discuss anyone's prospects at this point.


More appropriate comparison would be DC and PS2, regarding on how much the specs and the public conception affected the outcome.
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Right, so a PS2 and Xbox/GC (which both launched a year after PS2) comparison "sounds like a revisionist take on history", but a Dreamcast and PS2 (which launched a year after Dreamcast) is A-ok.


Sho_Nuff82 said:
Metacritic actually does an annual Roundup for publishers. For 2012, MS and Sony were pretty close on quantity and quality. It's not nearly as lopsided as some here would believe, mostly because MS publishes lots of quality XBLA titles that "don't count" for some reason.
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Also worth noting that Microsoft was 2011's best publisher according to Metacritic.
 
REMEMBER CITADEL said:
So there are clearly other factors much more important than processing power and visuals. It's worth noting that Microsoft's apparent desire to focus on broader penetration from the very start might also produce a sizable lead in userbase early on - if it works, of course, and it's way too early to discuss anyone's prospects at this point.

Right, so a PS2 and Xbox/GC (which both launched a year after PS2) comparison "sounds like a revisionist take on history", but a Dreamcast and PS2 (which launched a year after Dreamcast) is A-ok.
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Of course there are, when the systems are not released simultaneously, and when they aren't directed to the same demographic.

Did you read and hear many stories about Xbox/GC trumping the PS2 techwise at the time the PS2 was launched? I certainly didn't, which can't be said about DC vs. PS2. The outcome of the race was already obvious when the Xbox & GC arrived.
 
Kazuma Kiryu said:
talk about off-topic...
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Its been one bloody battle this whole generation and looks like its going to get worse coming up. There are soldiers everywhere trying to prove their console of choice is superior. It often spills over into just about every thread these days. Its sickening.
 
EagleEyes said:
Its been one bloody battle this whole generation and looks like its going to get worse coming up. There are soldiers everywhere trying to prove their console of choice is superior. It often spills over into just about every thread these days. Its sickening.
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Get the hammers ready...
 
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