ChuckeRearmed
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Man, you are selling a 10 year old game....
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Video Game Prices Are ‘Very, Very Low’ For What They Offer, Says GTA 6 Publisher Take-Two
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Lucifers Beard
Member
Yeah gone are those days outside of a few smaller developers and indie studios. AAA is a fucking mess and will hopefully crash before long.
And his point takes you back to single player story games.
Still big budget and take years of development but the playtime is usually under 10 hours.
$150 for a game with 100 of hours of game play is one thing but for 10?
We're just gonna see less and less of them.
Or were gonna pay a lot more, which isn't very likely to be popular with folks.
Still big budget and take years of development but the playtime is usually under 10 hours.
$150 for a game with 100 of hours of game play is one thing but for 10?
We're just gonna see less and less of them.
Or were gonna pay a lot more, which isn't very likely to be popular with folks.
Rocco Schiavone
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Skifi28
Member
I hope this is how you handle all price increases. Boy, I'd love to be your landlord.
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vodka-bull
Member
Some do, some don‘t. It depends on which developer we‘re looking at.
Majima Everywhere System
Member
It would feel that way if you only make a handful of games that release infrequently.
It would probably feel like your good on the equation if you made lots of games and consumers should be considering owning them all.
It would probably feel like your good on the equation if you made lots of games and consumers should be considering owning them all.
StereoVsn
Member
He just got Take2 to double his compensation so of course prices have to go up.
SEGAvangelist
Member
I'm expecting $109.99 for the 3 days early access version of GTA VI that includes the first season pass.
elmos-acc
Member
He's not completely wrong but we know his true motives.
Is the new GTA worth 99€ (or dollars) when it releases over a decade later than the previous installment? Perhaps yes, for a lot of us. Is the new annual FIFA or CoD good value for that money every year? Probably not. Is the new Saints Row even worth 9,99€ on sale? Definitely not for me.
Standardized prices are pretty stupid, but you have to keep in mind it is only for the initial release and the prices drop quickly. You can get great, not even that dated AAA games for a price of a cup of coffee and you can sink a lifetime into F2P games that probably play better than any multiplayer game with a price tag. Buy on sale, buy used, vote with your wallet. And I think that it is kind of stupid that you can get amazing indie games with a lot of hard work, passion and creativity for basically no money.
But I don't think it is even smart for these big publishers to increase the launch prices because they really can not win at that game. And if they try, fuck 'em.
Is the new GTA worth 99€ (or dollars) when it releases over a decade later than the previous installment? Perhaps yes, for a lot of us. Is the new annual FIFA or CoD good value for that money every year? Probably not. Is the new Saints Row even worth 9,99€ on sale? Definitely not for me.
Standardized prices are pretty stupid, but you have to keep in mind it is only for the initial release and the prices drop quickly. You can get great, not even that dated AAA games for a price of a cup of coffee and you can sink a lifetime into F2P games that probably play better than any multiplayer game with a price tag. Buy on sale, buy used, vote with your wallet. And I think that it is kind of stupid that you can get amazing indie games with a lot of hard work, passion and creativity for basically no money.
But I don't think it is even smart for these big publishers to increase the launch prices because they really can not win at that game. And if they try, fuck 'em.
Robb
Gold Member
I’d agree if games were offline and didn’t include a ton of MTX etc. but as things stand they’re not and I imagine the publishers are getting an absolute ton of analytics data and money outside of the retail price today. If anything the entry price should be lower as long as I’m paying indirectly by providing them with my data.
Krappadizzle
Member
Yeah, for different consoles and/or generations and in the case of GTAV, it was a complete "remaster" for the next-generation of consoles.
It's not nearly the same thing. If those games were $100 a piece, I'd bet more people would reconsider buying them multiple times across different platforms.
They absolutely offer value, especially GTA and RDR2, they offer a ton of value in being great sandboxes. Hell, I think most of us understand that gaming offers a ton of value as far as what you pay per hour, but that's a scale that can be used for many types of media entertainment, and there's still an upper limit that I think most people will accept for videogames. There's certainly a limit most will generally accept for movies, music and books.
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fart town usa
Member
Prices really are cheap, doesn't mean every game is worth buying but considering inflation, what games used to cost, etc. We get stuff at a steal. It's absurd in the VR space. So many people spending upwards of $1k on a VR rig and then constantly moaning over $15-40 games. I don't see it here in the various VR OTs but man, other places online are just embarrassing. "Game is $20 but can be beat in 6 hours...meh, I'll wait for a sale". 
Marvel14
Banned
I played 100 plus hours of GTA V and GTA V online without paying an extra cent (Other than PS Plus).
So for me at least and a fair few others the price per hour ratio was pretty darn high.
I get that not everyone can say the same tho...so both realities exist simultaneously.
diffusionx
Gold Member
And there are people who go to the casino with $20 they put in the slot machine and go home after. It doesn't change the reality of the situation, or why these places exist, and how they make their money.
T2 makes $800 million a year off GTAO. Somebody is spending that. The low price of the base game is to try to get people in there and help add to that number. It just is what it is.
Marvel14
Banned
If the base game was gimped and forced you to make additional purchases to fully appreciate the game, I would agree with you wholeheartedly. But it isn't. All the extra spending does is reduce the amount of grind needed to advance. Not great but also not a full on pay wall.
I avoid sports games like the plague nowadays because that's what they do. Ultimate Team from EA FC and other premium content requires more spending and I refuse to support that model.
Which in the end is the only thing that's going to make a difference. Don't support micropaywalls to access the games' premium content en masse and companies will stop doing it.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Except... the level of grind, the way the grind is set up, is determined by.... the same people selling you the shortcut! Do you understand now? They're in control of everything. So they design the game in such a way that they end up with $800 million of revenue a year. Look, if "it's all cosmetics" or "it's just a shortcut to the grind", or "it's all optional", or whatever they say, didn't work to get people into the game and spending money, they wouldn't do it. Same reason why casinos comp a room.
When GTAV came to PS5 they were offering the game for like $10, they know what they're doing.
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Barakov
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Take-Two CEO Strauss Zelnick has said during the publishing powerhouse’s latest earnings call that he feels video game prices are generally too low for what consumers get out of them.
The executive offered insight into how Take-Two calculates video game prices, and reckons as a whole the industry offers “terrific price to value opportunity” for players.
In terms of our pricing for any entertainment property, basically the algorithm is the value of the expected entertainment usage, which is to say the per hour value times the number of expected hours plus the terminal value that’s perceived by the customer in ownership, if the title is owned rather than rented or subscribed to.
You’ll see that that bears out in every kind of entertainment vehicle. By that standard our prices are still very, very low, because we offer many hours of engagement, the value of the engagement is very high. So I think the industry as a whole offers a terrific price to value opportunity for consumers.
Video Game Prices Are ‘Very, Very Low’ For What They Offer, Says GTA 6 Publisher Take-Two - PlayStation Universe
GTA 6 publisher Take-Two reckons video game prices are still 'very, very low' for the amount of content they offer.www.psu.com
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I'm ready for my 6.8%apr fixed rate loan for GTA6. Suggestion is to for the 60m as he payment will be easier.
RavageX
Member
I'd smack the taste out of this guy's mouth. Length of a game doesn't mean much if it's shit.
The only games I ever spent a lot on would have been Rockband, Rocksmith. Why? Because Rockband was releasing WHOLE ALBUMS you could play, along with the instrument kit. I don't want to think about the money I spent on that overall, but it provided and still does...lots of fun. Same with Rocksmith (not the new subscription based one, that one can go to hell).
I can not picture myself paying $100 for any open world rpg. Or any action game for that matter, or FPS.
$100 for skyrim? Cyberpunk? Hell no.
Those of you agreeing with it, I feel are part of why microtransactions have gotten out of hand.....you think of the good, innocent part of things.
"Oh I wouldn't mind paying for added content, like an new expansion with a full story, new characters" A good idea, adding content to a FINISHED game. Then you get horse armor, or different color skins when that shit used to be a free unlock and the new expansion is actually shit cut from an unfinished game and sold to you(us).
This is no different "I wouldn't mind paying an extra $10 or $20." as innocent as it seems would become, "Pay $80 for this unfinished game, we will show you a bullshit "roadmap" on things we plan to do but we will only do half of it but who gives a damn, we have your money.".
The only games I ever spent a lot on would have been Rockband, Rocksmith. Why? Because Rockband was releasing WHOLE ALBUMS you could play, along with the instrument kit. I don't want to think about the money I spent on that overall, but it provided and still does...lots of fun. Same with Rocksmith (not the new subscription based one, that one can go to hell).
I can not picture myself paying $100 for any open world rpg. Or any action game for that matter, or FPS.
$100 for skyrim? Cyberpunk? Hell no.
Those of you agreeing with it, I feel are part of why microtransactions have gotten out of hand.....you think of the good, innocent part of things.
"Oh I wouldn't mind paying for added content, like an new expansion with a full story, new characters" A good idea, adding content to a FINISHED game. Then you get horse armor, or different color skins when that shit used to be a free unlock and the new expansion is actually shit cut from an unfinished game and sold to you(us).
This is no different "I wouldn't mind paying an extra $10 or $20." as innocent as it seems would become, "Pay $80 for this unfinished game, we will show you a bullshit "roadmap" on things we plan to do but we will only do half of it but who gives a damn, we have your money.".
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KungFucius
King Snowflake
Only a couple of games cost that much and it was to offset the high ROM cost. FFVI cost 80 bucks and that followed FFIV which was 70 a few years earlier.
I wonder how much people would pay for GTA6. I'd buy it used for PS5 if they did something scummy like price it at 90 bucks.
the same price at every restaurant?
Astral Dog
Member
I don't think the standard prices are low,but sales are a different beast and may factor total revenue
I bought GTA V on PS4 for what, i think was $5
maybe thats what he is complaining about
I bought GTA V on PS4 for what, i think was $5
maybe thats what he is complaining about
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rocketleague
Neo Member
I ironically agree. Good games are absolutely not easy to make and deserves at least $70 if not $80
Happosai
Hold onto your panties
Standalone pricing is good enough at $70. If GTA6 picks up momentum, they charge extra for seasonal DLCs and broaden their base; then the 'extra' will come in. It'd be hard to match the figures of GTA5 but imagine if they could pull off another game which sells beyond a decade.
Astral Dog
Member
most people won't buy a game at $70 they will wait 6 months for half price sale or wait until its less than $20
Plus the economy isn't doing well right now
genesisblock
Member
Don't know what games you are playing. But the best games for value tend to be short and direct games that has minimal bloat. But then again, when you account for steam sales, then those "top-tier" games are a steal almost literally.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Sounds they are trying to prepare people for a expensive upcoming GTA game.
I somewhat agree but only if you're selling a complete game with none of this later bullshit
If you're doing the 1999 model of games now for $70 then I somewhat agree. Inflation, the increased complexity, and cost of development of games have all skyrocketed but the price has mostly remained stable below them. I think the margins on big budget games have shrunk and it's difficult to make people take a shot with a game when you're asking them to spend more than $70, to the point that a lot of devs chase the easier to swallow for the consumer 'bitesize' sales of mtx to avoid that sticker shock but make just as much money or more.
If you're doing the 1999 model of games now for $70 then I somewhat agree. Inflation, the increased complexity, and cost of development of games have all skyrocketed but the price has mostly remained stable below them. I think the margins on big budget games have shrunk and it's difficult to make people take a shot with a game when you're asking them to spend more than $70, to the point that a lot of devs chase the easier to swallow for the consumer 'bitesize' sales of mtx to avoid that sticker shock but make just as much money or more.
rocketleague
Neo Member
people literally pay $60 for one hour and a half UFC match. its all about what people find worth to pay for and imo game devs deserves way more money than any entertainment industry for the work they do compared to the entertainment industries
StereoVsn
Member
Brother, why settle for standard, slow v6 version, when you can get a souped up Ultimate edition with a v8 full of chrome. You would look amazing
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Astral Dog
Member
I agree good games are worth $60 but don't believe the standard price is the issue, but the way sales works, they devalue them too quickly that consumers know when to expect a slashed price, you see it here some members mock others who pay full price for a game they like
For example Sonic Frontiers got a 30% sale less than two weeks after it released, even i was surprised , considering the popularity of the movie it would have done well on holidays without a price cut
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ShadyAcshuns
Member
That would be preferable to a "sign in to the rockstar account and pay monthly to access the title". Or, that clown would have us paying by the hour to play the game. If that ever happens, fuck modern gaming.
Swagballs717
Member
In a way, he's kind of right. I mean, new movies are selling for $20 to $30 for two to three hours of entertainment. Video games are $60 to $70 for eight to 40 hours of entertainment.
But I can totally see him trying to sell Grand Theft Auto VI for $80
But I can totally see him trying to sell Grand Theft Auto VI for $80
SpecialAgentZ
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Bucks for bugs.