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Video Game Prices Are ‘Very, Very Low’ For What They Offer, Says GTA 6 Publisher Take-Two
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chromhound
Gold Member
You can't even release a finished Product and you want us to pay more? Lol
Evil Calvin
Afraid of Boobs
Considering most games:
1. Are sold digitally....no need for production costs, shipping costs, 3rd party costs
2. USUALLY the games are not finished....years of patches, updates...etc..
3. Games will still be loaded with microtransactions and 'in your face' selling and storefront promotion
4. Games are $75 minimum...with tax. If you want extras, play early, deluxe......then prepare to pay $100+
So, no.....fuck you!!
1. Are sold digitally....no need for production costs, shipping costs, 3rd party costs
2. USUALLY the games are not finished....years of patches, updates...etc..
3. Games will still be loaded with microtransactions and 'in your face' selling and storefront promotion
4. Games are $75 minimum...with tax. If you want extras, play early, deluxe......then prepare to pay $100+
So, no.....fuck you!!
Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
Water is cheap for what it offers.
winjer
Gold Member
I would say that games have never been more expensive.
- We rarely get a full game. Frequently they cutout content to make DLCs, micro-transactions, special editions, pre-order bonus, etc.
- A lot of paid games, also have micro-transactions or loot-boxes, to gate access to content. Forcing the consumer to pay more.
- We no longer own the games we buy, we just lease them. This is especially true with the rise in digital sales.
- At any point companies can take out portions of a game, like the multiplayer, or the soundtrack, or even content in some GaaS.
- Not only we have to pay with money, but we also have to pay we our data. Most companies now have telemetry to mine user data. At best is just how we play the game, at worst it goes into personal detail.
- Every big publisher has a f****** store and launcher. And they all want to start with Windows, and have a helper service or two. And require user data, and online verification every time we launch a game.
- A lot of games just pad out play time with repetitive tasks, that often fell like work.
- With digital, companies no longer have to print covers and manuals. Make the casing for games. Shipp them around the world. They don't have to pay a percentage to the store, to the importer, to the warehouse, etc. They just pay a handful of engineers and some servers.
- Most games are released in an unfinished state. So most of the time we are not even getting a game, we are getting an alpha version, with the vague promise, that one day, maybe, it will be fixed.
Edit, another point added.
- We rarely get a full game. Frequently they cutout content to make DLCs, micro-transactions, special editions, pre-order bonus, etc.
- A lot of paid games, also have micro-transactions or loot-boxes, to gate access to content. Forcing the consumer to pay more.
- We no longer own the games we buy, we just lease them. This is especially true with the rise in digital sales.
- At any point companies can take out portions of a game, like the multiplayer, or the soundtrack, or even content in some GaaS.
- Not only we have to pay with money, but we also have to pay we our data. Most companies now have telemetry to mine user data. At best is just how we play the game, at worst it goes into personal detail.
- Every big publisher has a f****** store and launcher. And they all want to start with Windows, and have a helper service or two. And require user data, and online verification every time we launch a game.
- A lot of games just pad out play time with repetitive tasks, that often fell like work.
- With digital, companies no longer have to print covers and manuals. Make the casing for games. Shipp them around the world. They don't have to pay a percentage to the store, to the importer, to the warehouse, etc. They just pay a handful of engineers and some servers.
- Most games are released in an unfinished state. So most of the time we are not even getting a game, we are getting an alpha version, with the vague promise, that one day, maybe, it will be fixed.
Edit, another point added.
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Eiknarf
Banned
Yup
I was just gonna say something like this
If you want to charge $80 for a AAA game… Then so be it.
But If you want to charge $80 at launch and its not ready … or it needs patches and it’s got bugs and glitches etc , then, every person who has a file on their console should be given a digital store credit (that’s the only credit I could see happening. If you bought a physical copy, Best Buy or Amazon or GameStop could not give you any money back. It’s up to the developers through PlayStation/xbox)
nikos
Member
Been saying this for years. The value you can get out of a video game is insanely good for the cost. While everything else increases with inflation, the cost of gaming has pretty much stayed the same. You can even get new releases below retail on PC.
$50-70 for a game is nothing when you consider the price of anything else. Even if I play a game for a few hours, I usually feel like it was worth it. Going out costs way more for most activities. I've always compared the cost of gaming to drinks and that gap keeps closing, as they pretty much cost $20-30 now.
$50-70 for a game is nothing when you consider the price of anything else. Even if I play a game for a few hours, I usually feel like it was worth it. Going out costs way more for most activities. I've always compared the cost of gaming to drinks and that gap keeps closing, as they pretty much cost $20-30 now.
Alebrije
Gold Member
Stupid CEO , these days basically you buy a broken product at 70 bucks...all games need patches after release..just imagine buying at 100 a game like Redfall or Lords of the Fallen.
The more hight they are the less in touch with costumers. And the metric he uses is stupid because these days you do not own the game speacially a game like GTA, basically you pay 70 for a rent.
The more hight they are the less in touch with costumers. And the metric he uses is stupid because these days you do not own the game speacially a game like GTA, basically you pay 70 for a rent.
Dr. Wilkinson
Gold Member
manfestival
Member
While I agree with the concepts especially when comparing to other entertainment platforms and bang for buck. Well, I can't think of a counter argument but just gonna say no because... I want my games to not be any more expensive.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
The guy has a point but they have been making a LOT more than the base price on their games for a long time.
If you want to charge above the standard rate then you need to commit to all content being available for that base price, with no micro-transactions, no season passes, no pre-order bonuses. Maybe you can have paid single player story DLC but nothing should be tied to that DLC beyond the extra story content.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
You can't get fleeced by an entertainment company. If you don't like the value proposition, you don't have to buy the game. We aren't indentured servants.
kiphalfton
Member
"GUYS YOU DONT UNDERSTAND!
I NEED MORE MONEY! I'M WORKING AT A LOSS HERE, I'M ALMOST BROKE "
High end escorts are expensive.
lifa-cobex
Member
Many people are gullible, and we can expect this to continue.
-P.T Barnum
If your game development exceeds the predicted income from sales. Then you probably shouldn't make the game.
If you insist on making the game anyway. They you should probably come out with a better sales pitch than "we deserve more money"
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Mobilemofo
Member
I'm at the age where I'll wait a year for what I think is the right price...also bonus that it be largely fixed by that time.
balls of snow
Gold Member
Dont let him take you for a ride. They raise the price of gamea, its the c suites getting the fat bonus while the devs slave away with even more crunch than before to justify the price.
Boss Mog
Member
That's the thing right there. You'd give them more money and it would just go to bigger bonuses for the execs.
Bkdk
Member
Really depends on what games people are buying. Unless it’s full blown open world with non linear story, great graphics, good character design options with robust mod support, then 70 dollars is worth it, otherwise it’s not.
Edit: If rockstar keeps up with their quality with gta6, then I’m sure people would still be buying despite them selling for 80 or even 90 dollars, ff7 rebirth could do 75$ too if they are offering 100 hours of great gameplay, for many other games though, no way, certainly won’t even buy it for anything over 50$.
Edit: If rockstar keeps up with their quality with gta6, then I’m sure people would still be buying despite them selling for 80 or even 90 dollars, ff7 rebirth could do 75$ too if they are offering 100 hours of great gameplay, for many other games though, no way, certainly won’t even buy it for anything over 50$.
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BootsLoader
Banned
50 or 70$ is more than enough when the game makes the development money in one day. Also most of the games are unfinished.
raduque
Member
I mean, I paid $1/hr for Diablo 4. I played it for around 70 hours. Some of my friends played it a lot longer, got well under $1/hr out of it.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
How about publishers are pocketing more money than ever before on each game sale.
No retailer cut on digital
No manufacturing and shipping costs on digital
Increased base price
Pricing tiers for base, deluxe, and special edition
Season Passes
Microtransactions
Don’t bother optimizing your game
Thanks to online, you no longer have to ship a finished game. Just apologize.
Remaster your old games because your current teams aren’t as good
*coming soon!* AI cost savings
No retailer cut on digital
No manufacturing and shipping costs on digital
Increased base price
Pricing tiers for base, deluxe, and special edition
Season Passes
Microtransactions
Don’t bother optimizing your game
Thanks to online, you no longer have to ship a finished game. Just apologize.
Remaster your old games because your current teams aren’t as good
*coming soon!* AI cost savings
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WitchHunter
Banned
Instead of whining, why not buy shares in these publishers? So you would also get some "reimbursement".
Unrivaledx88
Member
Thats called addiction buddy…
No need to get the same game on Pc, PS5 , Xbox.
That’s your fault for spending your money on the same game.
Hudo
Member
I also don't get why he's the one talking. His fucking company is hard carried by GTA, if it wasn't for that IP, Take Two would've been "Embraced" already. Like, dude, you have essentially just one pillar on which your whole organization rests upon and instead of trying to fix that, you go out and deliver some extreme bullshit takes.
Hypereides
Member
His bank account and yearly revenue imply otherwise. Evidently, he won't be satisfied until he gets... max payment.
YEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
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ByWatterson
Member
This is 100% correct and not even arguable. The value proposition for AAA games is way out of line with inflation, history, hour-per-dollar metrics, and game budgets.
As core gaming maxes out its potential population of about 300-400 million people, either game prices or microtransactions must increase, or budgets must precipitously decline (which gamers, frankly, refuse to stomach). Better-made games cost more and take more time. Expensive games need higher prices or post-purchase monetization. More profitable games need lower budgets or bigger audiences. It doesn't make sense to complain about all of the following at once:
Cheap-to-make games routinely cost $60-70, nearly thirty years ago (see below - Doom 64 and Turok for $75 at TRU!). Something's gotta give.
As core gaming maxes out its potential population of about 300-400 million people, either game prices or microtransactions must increase, or budgets must precipitously decline (which gamers, frankly, refuse to stomach). Better-made games cost more and take more time. Expensive games need higher prices or post-purchase monetization. More profitable games need lower budgets or bigger audiences. It doesn't make sense to complain about all of the following at once:
- Prices
- Microtransactions
- Lack of creativity/risk-taking
- Buggy games released too early
Cheap-to-make games routinely cost $60-70, nearly thirty years ago (see below - Doom 64 and Turok for $75 at TRU!). Something's gotta give.
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Dr. Wilkinson
Gold Member
It depends on the game. But overall this is correct. For the amount of gameplay you get for your money, games have never been cheaper.
TotK is the “most expensive Nintendo game ever made”, but like its 300 hours long and it took 7 years. Like, you get what you pay for.
TotK is the “most expensive Nintendo game ever made”, but like its 300 hours long and it took 7 years. Like, you get what you pay for.
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Minsc
Gold Member
Given you could get games for free from EGS or just find some collection of 10+ semi old strategy games for $5-20 that offers 2,000+ hours of gaming, yeah, it's really always been a hobby that could be as expensive or as cheap as you want it to be, and just as rewarding or disappointing on either side.
Plus you can't even really get started on PSN+ or Game Pass - if you actually totaled up the number of hours those services got you from the games they offered, it'd be what in the 100,000s?
Plus you can't even really get started on PSN+ or Game Pass - if you actually totaled up the number of hours those services got you from the games they offered, it'd be what in the 100,000s?
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Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
Start lubing y'all bussys for GTA 6 boys.
DeadMansParty
Member
same people who took down the amazing GTA decomp project which was vastly superior to the "remastered" ports in every way. The decomp project that was infinitely better than a one put out officially by a studio, so pathetic.
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MMaRsu
Member
Gamers let all this happen while sitting idly by and purchasing the latest games, and defending the biggest MTX scams.
Blame them, not the publishers.
darrylgorn
Member
Two verys? Holy shit.
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
Sure. A game like dota 2 could offer thousands of hours of play at no cost.
Let’s be honest though. The majority of games these days are not finished , predatory FOMO money schemes , and can take a year plus to be feature complete.
Hell even games that launch early access are rip offs.
It’s very rare to get an Elden Ring except maybe this year of 2023.
Games like armored core 6 & lies of p I would happily pay more to experience, but sadly the games that cost more somehow are usually turds.
Let’s be honest though. The majority of games these days are not finished , predatory FOMO money schemes , and can take a year plus to be feature complete.
Hell even games that launch early access are rip offs.
It’s very rare to get an Elden Ring except maybe this year of 2023.
Games like armored core 6 & lies of p I would happily pay more to experience, but sadly the games that cost more somehow are usually turds.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
Exactly. Especially fighting games with their vastly overpriced season passes and DLC.
Hero_Select
Member
noone is making you spend all your budget on gigantic game. and even then GTA V has sold 157+ million units excluding all the money made from micro-transactions
winjer
Gold Member
Gamers have some blame for accepting most of this crap, with little contention.
But the majority of the fault still remains with the publishers.
Let's blame the scammers, not the victims.
BlitzerRadic
Member
You should get a different hobby.
midnightAI
Member
Did most of you just fall for PSU clickbait? I only read the paragraph that was what Strauss said and he says gamers get good value for money? he doesnt say anything about it being 'too low' (ie. should be higher)?
And he's not wrong.
And he's not wrong.
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