Vigil in 2012: Wii U "has been on par with what we have with the current generation"

Boards of Canada said:
Why would you expect anything better than 360/PS3 performance? Look at the size of the unit and look at that controller. It's smaller than a 360 and the controller is more expensive to build than any current gen controller. Nintendo's not going to lose money on the hardware.
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yeah im sure they would have to smash their piggybank to produce small efficient hardware that surpasses xbox 360.
 
If this ends up being true, you'd think Nintendo would learn.
jump_button said:
I cant believe a mod would make a thread title like that when everything we know say it not, why are you feeding the trolls?
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If this was indeed about his game and not about the console itself, I would tend to agree with this. I'm going to parse through it now.

edit: true, that is a straight quote but its very vague. Is he talking about getting the same results as he does on PS360? Early 360 games (Most Wanted for instance) didn't look very different from late gen Xbox games at all. Title is going to lead to a ton of hits but I'm not sure it captures the message behind the quote, as everyone is going to jump to conclusions as soon as they read it.

That said I wouldn't be surprised if this reality ends up being true.
 
I find it hard to believe that a Mod would create a thread like this. Kinda shows how crazy things are these days.

Either way, all that interview tells us specifically is that they didn't do anything to improve the graphical aspects of the Wii U game. Same basic assets of the PS3/360 version. No one should be surprised by this. They'll focus on the controller aspects of the game with the time they have and not the graphical stuff. We all already know the Wii U is more powerful than the current gen. This shouldn't even be debated. It'd have to be more powerful to render both the main screen and the small screen at the same time. Ultimately, the question is going to be by how much (that can be debated, but it'd have to be pretty beefy to render both screens at the same time).

People keep talking about how Nintendo makes old hardware, when their history says otherwise. Sure, they didn't bother with the Wii, but outside of that their hardware has pretty much always been relatively beefy compared to the competition. But you know the saying...you screw on sheep....
 
EDarkness said:
I find it hard to believe that a Mod would create a thread like this. Kinda shows how crazy things are these days.Either way, all that interview tells us specifically is that they didn't do anything to improve the graphical aspects of the Wii U game. Same basic assets of the PS3/360 version. No one should be surprised by this. They'll focus on the controller aspects of the game with the time they have and not the graphical stuff. We all already know the Wii U is more powerful than the current gen. This shouldn't even be debated. It'd have to be more powerful to render both the main screen and the small screen at the same time. Ultimately, the question is going to be by how much (that can be debated, but it'd have to be pretty beefy to render both screens at the same time).

People keep talking about how Nintendo makes old hardware, when their history says otherwise. Sure, they didn't bother with the Wii, but outside of that their hardware has pretty much always been relatively beefy compared to the competition. But you know the saying...you screw on sheep....
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Lolwut ? News is news. news goes into new threads. Doen't matter if it's made by a Mod or president Obama.
 
Meh, you won't really see potential until you go exclusive development. They are just simply porting the game too wii u.

To think that wii u is only on par with current gen is riddiculus, that would be a $199 dollar console.
 
Shadow of the BEAST said:
Yep nintendo is exeptionally cheap.
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From a consumer standpoint, maybe. They're hardware is usually well-built and durable. It might not be cutting edge technology but it's not really "cheap" either.

From a bussiness standpoint they are pure genius. Not wasting money on things they feel they don't need to waste money on. (cough *CELL*Cough)
 
AniHawk said:
i remember when the 360 came out. it did well, but everyone was anticipating the ps3 more than anything else. lots of comments were made about it being the xbox 1.5 and games that didn't do the hardware justice were constantly made the subject of ridicule. then e306 happened. a combination of the general badness of the conference and the realization that the ps3 would not have games at launch that looked as good as the ones in the e305 trailer soured a lot of people on the machine, and the 360's reputation as the hardcore console of choice began to solidify (at least early on).

i expect people will have similarly high hopes that will be dashed by the reality of the next generation.
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Yeah but in the end let's face it, even if some haters were hatin', 360 was perceived as HD and some games looked way way better than xbox games. Maybe people were expecting "real next gen" with PS3 but it already looked different.

The difference will be a lot less visible with the WiiU, probably. At least i think there is a real risk that PS360 owners will think "why would i invest now in what i add for 5 years....", except for those of them who wants Nintendo games anyway, but it's always the same problem in the end.

Nintendo has its core base + the mainstream boom, but the later is random. As long as they don't take back the Dudebros, they will have to find a magic bunny in there hat every gen, to seduce the mainstream, but i think it will be difficult now.
 
Going into fanboy defence mode here.

You know, so far the hardware's been on par with what we have with the current generation's.
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What if he's just talking about how easy it is to work with?
Based on what I understand, the, you know, the resolution and textures and polycounts and all that stuff, we're not going to being doing anything to uprez the game, but we'll take advantage of the controller for sure.
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Implying they could have uprezed it? Why else say it? Based on what he understands he says. I dunno. I just don't want a Nintendo themed 360 :(
 
It's been pretty obvious it wasn't much stronger (if at all) compared to the 360/ps3 since the zelda demo, despite everyone fawning over it, it doesn't look even as impressive as the top-end 360/ps3 games.

Just Nintendo fans being Nintendo fans I guess.
 
cw_sasuke said:
After the Wii I can't believe Nintendo would make the same mistake twice. And how can it be only in PS360 level when it has 2-3 Tim's as much ram and a way more modern GPU ? I don't get it...
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If you don't have a serious heat sink and fans to move heat from the GPU to outside the case you have to reduce the clock speed of the GPU. Using 28nm and they could bump up the clock speed but the first WiiU out the door is going to set the performance level for the WiiU even if later versions could run faster. Same is true for Next generation from Microsoft and Sony.

In Sony and Microsoft next generation designs (just like last generation) a large heat sink and fans on the first models and then over three or so refresh designs the fans and heat sinks can reduce in size.

The case design and fan port on the WiiU game me a clue that it was not going to be a powerful console.
 
If only a few of the big developers/ publishers who have their hands on dev kits had the balls to say to Ninentdo: "Look, if you want the best chance of us releasing our multi-format games on your console past the first year, put a bit more power in this thing".
 
I almost refuse to believe Nintendo would release a console with 2006 hardware in 2012.

But it's Nintendo, so I really shouldn't be surprised. They like their consoles to be profitable day -1.
 
CoffeeJanitor said:
If this ends up being true, you'd think Nintendo would learn.
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I think Nintendo has learned that it's not about catering to the dedicated gamer. Leave that nonsense to Sony and Microsoft. It's all about creating the next "Wii". Something that will get people talking, and sell units to those who normally wouldn't purchase a gaming system. It doesn't matter if third parties aren't fully behind it. All that matters is the machine and their games are selling.
 
Cheesecakebobby said:
If only a few of the big developers/ publishers who have their hands on dev kits had the balls to say to Ninentdo: "Look, if you want the best chance of us releasing our multi-format games on your console past the first year, put a bit more power in this thing".
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Then Nintendo would tell them to put their money where their mouth is and pay for the upgrade themselves.

Nintendo is not like Microsoft who'll spend an extra billion on more RAM just because Epuic says so.

ShinUltramanJ said:
I think Nintendo has learned that it's not about catering to the dedicated gamer. Leave that nonsense to Sony and Microsoft. It's all about creating the next "Wii". Something that will get people talking, and sell units to those who normally wouldn't purchase a gaming system. It doesn't matter if third parties aren't fully behind it. All that matters is the machine and their games are selling.
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Thank you, I can't believe it took 3-5 pages for someone to actually take note of what Nintendo's strategy has always been.
 
EDarkness said:
I find it hard to believe that a Mod would create a thread like this. Kinda shows how crazy things are these days.

Either way, all that interview tells us specifically is that they didn't do anything to improve the graphical aspects of the Wii U game.
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So you're ignoring the bolded line?
 
ShinUltramanJ said:
I think Nintendo has learned that it's not about catering to the dedicated gamer. Leave that nonsense to Sony and Microsoft. It's all about creating the next "Wii". Something that will get people talking, and sell units to those who normally wouldn't purchase a gaming system. It doesn't matter if third parties aren't fully behind it. All that matters is the machine and their games are selling.
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And that's the billion dollar question: Will a tablet controller really get people talking?

It's not really a blue ocean like motion control was.
 
I just expect Wii U ports to have better IQ over the 360/PS3 versions, but pretty much looking the same. Porting BF3 over and pushing it to 1080p and 60fps, or at least a solid 30 with no tearing, will push the Wii U's extra oomph it may have over 360/PS3. Greater than 720p, better AA, and smoother framerates are really all I'm expecting from Wii U's current gen ports. Although, 720p or even lower could be targeted to boost the game's graphical detail.

Obviously, we'll see how well the machine holds up once Xbox Durango/PS4 release when it comes to multiplats, and how much more "powerful" even those systems are comparatively.
 
I used to be a believer, but it makes more and more sense that the Wii U won't even theoretically be able to essentially output all current gen games at 1080P/60 and with more AA.

We might not even get 720P/60 :/

The fact is that the box is pretty tiny.
The controller is pretty expensive.
Nintendo won't be a splurger, and will go for a cheaper console so as to not make too big losses.
 
confused said:
Then Nintendo would tell them to put their money where their mouth is and pay for the upgrade themselves.

Nintendo is not like Microsoft who'll spend an extra billion on more RAM just because Epuic says so.
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Well, even though Microsoft has never had a problem with money, the games division was still far below profit after the release of Xbox 1, so they took a risk. Nintendo is swimming in money, and they must look at the sales figures of 3rd party games on other consoles with a little bit of envy, as any 3rd party title on Wii that isn't Just Dance isn't much of a platform-holder-royalties earner. Nintendo is being innovative with its controller but very conservative with the console - they could certainly afford to beef it up a little more, and the last generation should provide evidence that it shouldn't be a very risky gamble.
 
shinra-bansho said:
And that's the billion dollar question: Will a tablet controller really get people talking?
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Yes, it probably will. That tablet will allow people to game away from the TV. Mom comes in and wants to watch her shitty TV-programme but lil Jmmy is playing Nintendo. No problem, lil Jimmy can continue playing his game on the tablet while mom watches Desperate Housewives or whatever.

For families where the kids don't have their own entertainment centre this thing will be a glorious solution.

Cheesecakebobby said:
Well, even though Microsoft has never had a problem with money, the games division was still far below profit after the release of Xbox 1, so they took a risk. Nintendo is swimming in money, and they must look at the sales figures of 3rd party games on other consoles with a little bit of envy, as any 3rd party title on Wii that isn't Just Dance isn't much of a platform-holder-royalties earner. Nintendo is being innovative with its controller but very conservative with the console - they could certainly afford to beef it up a little more, and the last generation should provide evidence that it shouldn't be a very risky gamble.
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Why would they ? Nintendo makes a killing of hardware AND software sales. They're making money hand over fist. Why should they look to companies losing money all over for inspiration on how to run their bussiness ? Has Microsift gaming division ever been profitable in the way Nintendo has ?
 
confused said:
Yes, it probably will. That tablet will allow people to game away from the TV. Mom comes in and wants to watch her shitty TV-programme but lil Jmmy is playing Nintendo. No problem, lil Jimmy can continue playing his game on the tablet while mom watches Desperate Housewives or whatever.

For families where the kids don't have their own entertainment centre this thing will be a glorious solution.
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Why doesn't Jimmy just play his 3DS? Or his mom's iPad?
 
confused said:
Yes, it probably will. That tablet will allow people to game away from the TV. Mom comes in and wants to watch her shitty TV-programme but lil Jmmy is playing Nintendo. No problem, lil Jimmy can continue playing his game on the tablet while mom watches Desperate Housewives or whatever.

For families where the kids don't have their own entertainment centre this thing will be a glorious solution.
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Yeah, but what kid nowadays doesn't have a tv in their room? Heck, they probably even have a smartphone/tablet, too lol. Gonna be an interesting ride.
 
ShinUltramanJ said:
I think Nintendo has learned that it's not about catering to the dedicated gamer. Leave that nonsense to Sony and Microsoft. It's all about creating the next "Wii". Something that will get people talking, and sell units to those who normally wouldn't purchase a gaming system. It doesn't matter if third parties aren't fully behind it. All that matters is the machine and their games are selling.
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I just find it odd that they don't try to get third parties on board as well. Its not like support of either market is mutually exclusive. Hell just look at a game like Galaxy and you see huge sales while people of all ages are playing.
 
Read the full thing not just the title its clear he talking about his game running on it. they alot more backing and info from other saying its not just PS360 level of hardware
 
NBtoaster said:
So you're ignoring the bolded line?
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I'm not. That line doesn't define anything except how it relates to their game. Whether or not the Wii U is the same or better doesn't matter to me since I'll buy one anyway as I do with all systems, but I don't see how that statement has anything to do with the Wii U's power. It has everything to do with how much graphical work they're going to do with the system, however. "On par" meaning that they aren't doing anything with the graphics so it'll look the same as the 360/PS3. Who know why they're doing it this way, but there it is.
 
confused said:
Yes, it probably will. That tablet will allow people to game away from the TV. Mom comes in and wants to watch her shitty TV-programme but lil Jmmy is playing Nintendo. No problem, lil Jimmy can continue playing his game on the tablet while mom watches Desperate Housewives or whatever.

For families where the kids don't have their own entertainment centre this thing will be a glorious solution
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The gaming handheld is already the solution to Mom's problem.

And if remote play really was such a strong USP that drove consumer adoption, then I imagine Vita wouldn't be floundering nearly as much.

Remote play is a bullet point. They seem to be largely banking on touch gaming as the selling point. That is neither a novel nor uncontested market.
 
confused said:
Why would they ? Nintendo makes a killing of hardware AND software sales. They're making money hand over fist. Why should they look to companies losing money all over for inspiration on how to run their bussiness ? Has Microsift gaming division ever been profitable in the way Nintendo has ?
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Because the next Call of Duty, Battlefield, GTA and so on are much surer bets for bringing in the big bucks than a tablet concept that has yet to be tested in the market. Perhaps the tablet will attract the same people who bought the Wii for its motion controls, but there is no guarantee. Plus it way easier for MS and Sony to add a tablet-like-controller to their next consoles than it is for Nintendo to add more power after release.
 
Majanew said:
Yeah, but what kid nowadays doesn't have a tv in their room? Heck, the probably even have a smartphone/tablet, too lol. Gonna be an interesting ride.
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There are still plenty of kids that don't have their own TV's. Kids range from 3-11. I'm pretty sure most kids under 8 don't have their own tv's.

Cheesecakebobby said:
Because the next Call of Duty, Battlefield, GTA and so on are much surer bets for bringing in the big bucks than a tablet concept that has yet to be tested in the market. Perhaps the tablet will attract the same people who bought the Wii for its motion controls, but there is no guarantee. Plus it way easier for MS and Sony to add a tablet-like-controller to their next consoles than it is for Nintendo to add more power after release.
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Yet Nintendo doesn't need COD to turn a profit, nor do they need Battlefield or GTA. All they need is Mario(kart) and strong software that makes use of the new controller.

Both Nintendo and 3rd parties found out that they don't really need each other to make money and they both seem perfectly fine with it.
 
confused said:
Yes, it probably will. That tablet will allow people to game away from the TV. Mom comes in and wants to watch her shitty TV-programme but lil Jmmy is playing Nintendo. No problem, lil Jimmy can continue playing his game on the tablet while mom watches Desperate Housewives or whatever.

For families where the kids don't have their own entertainment centre this thing will be a glorious solution.



Why would they ? Nintendo makes a killing of hardware AND software sales. They're making money hand over fist. Why should they look to companies losing money all over for inspiration on how to run their bussiness ? Has Microsift gaming division ever been profitable in the way Nintendo has ?
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Royalties + having big 3rd party properties would lead to more hardware sales and a larger userbase
 
So much about the Wii U seems designed with Japan in mind.
The streaming feature will be the biggest draw in a market with cramped living spaces, where a dedicated TV for gaming in the kid's room is a rarity.
The low spec hardware is perfect for third parties that have struggled to adjust to the technical leap posed by this generation. It gives them a pathway to releasing games internationally on a fresh console without having to go through hardware upgrades they're not ready for.
I think Wii U has a great chance of cleaning up the home console market in Japan. What's interesting is that the very qualities that should help it over there make it a risky proposition for the west. Really illustrates how much the markets have changed over the past generation.
 
confused said:
Because he can't play the same games he can as on Wii-U ? Why don't gamers still spend all their time on NES ?
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Nah that doesn't work sorry :p You always convinced me with the kid playing while mom is watching tv thing, but that works for little kids, and those little kids will actually play, not even their 3ds, but their nds fro a while. They don't need HD Call of Duty on their WiiU and they won't certainly have the new 300 euros console for Christmas.

The fact is that this family tablet thing is random. Nobody can say if it will be a huge success or nobody will give a shit.

What i know is that there will be a problem, mark my word, with a Wii product not being based on motion control. Ask someone in the street what's a "WII". It's waving arms to play tennis, it's just that and nothing else. I'm talking about extreme mainstream here of course.
 
What's the point? It's a vague statement, second hand information, and it contradicts an earlier statement by a more knowledgeable member of the same development team.
 
confused said:
Yet Nintendo doesn't need COD to turn a profit, nor do they need Battlefield or GTA. All they need is Mario(kart) and strong software that makes use of the new controller.

Both Nintendo and 3rd parties found out that they don't really need each other to make money and they both seem perfectly fine with it.
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Gamecube had Mario, Mario Kart and many cross-platform titles that were on-par with the other two consoles, and yet was the least successful Nintendo console. The Wii was successful not because of those titles, but because of its ability to appeal to a wider market. Question is whether they can tempt those who were intrigued by Wii Sports and Wii Fit to buy another system - I don't think it is unlikely, but it is still far from being a sure-thing. Is the tablet the new wii-mote?
 
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