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Vigil in 2012: Wii U "has been on par with what we have with the current generation"
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magash owned so hard.
Lol.
No surprises here though. Anyone thinking that the Wii U is going to be miles ahead of the PS3 and 360 is delusional. I definitely think it will be more powerful then the HD twins (it damn better be), but the gap certainly won't be that big.
Can't say I'm too concerned about the tech though. Just hope it has lots of good games this time, that lookgood and don't revolve completely around gimmicks/novelty.
no you wont because the specs were never out there. last year when nintendo started giving developers an idea what to aim for it was close to current gen. now that the specs are close to being finalised, if they havent been already, nothing has really changed.
its possible they cut back on ram or speed to save money as nintendo has a history of dumbing down specs late in developement but they're plan to offer yet another last gen system has never changed.
it's a shame nintendo is screwing themselves over yet again. it's okay to offer a new idea or gimmick but you need to cater to the 3rd parties that want to release multiplatform games without having to create a b-team to dumb down their software to get it to run on inferior hardware.
jump_button
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Darksiders 2 will be on par with current generation how many times do have have to put up with this BS all time we already know it not just current generation
EatChildren
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Pfft what you guys don't understand is that Nintendo has a secret core that will be unlocked for UE4 graphics just you want I believe in Big N.
And which games attracted these non-Nintendo people ? Wii sports and Wii sports Resort. 2 Nintendo games. 3rd party did nothing for the Wii's succes.
The novelty of 3D does sell the 3DS. Nintendo just totally mispriced the thing from the get go, once they adjusted the price sales skyrocketed.
If it doesn't Nintendo will pannick and release great software for it to try and convince people it's great. The mass-market loves tablets. How many tabs have been sold since the first Ipad ?
specialguy
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Too be fair, there is a little bit of wiggle room there, and I'm sure some will seize on it.
Which is that, "on par" could mean lets say, it's 50% better than current gen, but as Alstrong on B3D stated, to Vigil Wii U is just another platform to support as inexpensively as possible. Therefore they do not make any alterations to the game on Wii U (for that matter, they dont make many on PC, presumably much more powerful than Wii U!).
The fact the guy stated the hardware is on par and not just the Wii U version of the game, though, does lessen the wiggle room.
My expectations on the Wii U should be well known, of course. I've never expected a lot. To me about the only drama left is, is it only equal or even slightly below PS360, or is it say, a solid 30% more powerful? At this point I'd expect Wii U fans should be happy with anything that's actually clearly more powerful than current gen, even if it's not a ton.
Regardless of its specs, I'd be very surprised by a significant amount of games running at 1080p/60fps.
In case of a significant downgrade, rumor would get out. This is what I meant.
I hear you connect it through the yellow port. The orange port, this time around, is reserved to Steam.
Phonomezer
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You're forgetting the holographic projector.
Fess
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In other words; Nintendo will win again.
New gameplay mechanics (gimmicks if you like), less powerful hardware that can eventually go down a lot i price and push the others off the cliff, plus Nintendo's creativity and AAA games that never fails combined with better third party support. Perfect.
New gameplay mechanics (gimmicks if you like), less powerful hardware that can eventually go down a lot i price and push the others off the cliff, plus Nintendo's creativity and AAA games that never fails combined with better third party support. Perfect.
Go look at the sales.
Just Dance 2 sold 5 million copies.
Michael Jackson: The Experience (2 million)
Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (2 million)
Deca Sports (2 million shipped)
Game Party (2 million shipped)
Monster Hunter Tri (1.9 million)
Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition (1.9 million)
Just Dance 2 sold more than every Zelda and Metroid game released on Wii. Mario games are the only ones that can still get over 5 million copies sold.
to me, is not so surprising that a late port of a ps360 game that obviously will not have the wiiu version as a main focus due to the release date, will have on the tv screen the same visual quality of the ps360 version.
you know, to manage the Upad "unique" use keeping the same quality of other consoles, means that the HW is more powerful than other consoles.
they are focusing on the uses of the Upad and not in the better graphics, for this multiplatform port.
nothing "stunning" in my opinion.
you know, to manage the Upad "unique" use keeping the same quality of other consoles, means that the HW is more powerful than other consoles.
they are focusing on the uses of the Upad and not in the better graphics, for this multiplatform port.
nothing "stunning" in my opinion.
'More powerful' doesn't even begin to counter 'on par'. The PS3 is arguably more powerful than the 360, it is without question on par however.
Basileus777
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How useful is this statement? I don't think there is anyone doubting that the WiiU is more powerful than the current gen, just the degree.
Tell that to Just Dance.
Wii series sold more with each iteration except Music, I guess. Just dance sales came from the installed userbase, it probably didn't sell that many Wii's.
Wii sports did more for the Wii's succes than Just dance did.
I'm looking at these sales and not a single one of those games shifted a significant amount of hardware.
shinra-bansho
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I suspect the large price cut, two Marios and a Monster Hunter with the promise of more to come is what's selling the 3DS far more than the 3D itself. Coupled with a lot of third party support.
The 3D USP was highly me-too at a time when 3D was seen as the next big thing. The public mood has subsequently soured on the 3D gimmick in general.
That was what I was getting at. It's not a novelty.
Phonomezer
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I'm expecting the games to look better than PS360 games for sure, but this far down the road I am expecting a little more.
We got games like PGR3, Kameo and Condemned with the 360 launch, they still look good by today's standards and were a considerable leap above the previous gen at the time. I guess it's up to Nintendo to deliver launch software that doesn't look like a port.
To be purely objective, we know something. Back when 3ds was released, Nintendo was into "We're the king, we can aim for higher price than before cause people love us". WiiU was developped in that spirit probably. After what we know happened, they now know they can't afford to raise the prices too much. I really wouldn't be surprise if they downgraded the thing a little at this point.
Well, I've been convinced since the first rumours (and stated so on this board) that Wii U will be closer to current-gen than next-gen in terms of hardware. If even one developer states that it's similar in overall power then this is the only conclusion you can draw -- if it were a true generational leap then such a statement simply wouldn't happen, the difference would be too large.
Yeah, that's pretty much what I'm saying.
I think the only thing they'd downgrade in such a scenario would be the price.
Also Wii sold 94.97 million...Did Mario, Zelda, and Metroid sell 94.97 million Wii's?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Wii_video_games
It doesn't look like the 94 million people who bought Wii's bought 94 million copies of Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Smash Bros, or Donkey Kong.
Wii Sports did more for Wii's success but it started the casual craze beyond Nintendo franchises.
Wii U needs something beyond just Nintendo franchises to do Wii numbers.
acheron_xl
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It really is sounding like the early 3rd party stuff is shaping up to be current gen ports with bolted on WiiU functionality. Even if the WiiU is marginally more powerful than 360/PS3, how is getting a bunch of ports and tacked on tablet stuff going to really show that off? I fully expect the bulk of 3rd party lead development to move from 360 to it's successor. If that happens, what is WiiU's place in the market going to be, especially if they stumble at all with the mainstream?
So in June 2011 they assumed it would be more powerful than the current systems, and by November 2011 they realized it was pretty much on the same level as the current system, and they've been saying that ever since.
Or are you saying that it is more likely that statements made earlier are true and that they started lying after that? Because that is not a reasonable outcome.
Basileus777
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How can you possibly know? Just Dance has been the most important title/series on the Wii for several years now.
Stop being Obtuse, NSMBwii sold like gazillion copies, so did MKwii. Those games actually sold hardware, too.
Wii..... series sold millions too, and also shifted hardware.
Resident evil, Michael Jackson etc. did nothing for Wii hardware sales.
Spikes in hardware sales during the release of those games. Look at Wii hardware charts for MKwii/NSMBwii release. They sold tons of consoles on those two titles alone. You really think people went out and bought a Wii for RE4 or Micheal Jackson ?
Captain Smoker
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I dont think the hardware will be so weak, i mean it has been 6+ years since xbox 360 launch, how can they possibly have so weak hardware in there ?
My guess is that will be like mid range PC today, maybe not at launch, but after optimization will definatly perform near that
Also WiiU is not competing with PS4/720 and it is evident since it is releasing far before those systems and packs a very expensive screen in the box, which will definalty take away from the graphics hardware, in order for the whole package have a competitive price
Nintendo is doing what they did with Wii again and i cant blame them since they made some huge profit with that strategy
jump_button
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I cant believe a mod would make a thread title like that when everything we know say it not, why are you feeding the trolls?
They are packing in a tablet controller with a decent/good screen. That will undoubtedly affect the budget for high tech silicon. Like the Wii Nintendo is sacrificing power for a unique player experience via the controller. This was pretty obvious from the get go. i don't see why there should be surprise.
With recent rumors of the PS4/720 being powerful enough to run Samaritan (albeit likely a bit downgraded), this could be Wii and PS360 all over again.
With recent rumors of the PS4/720 being powerful enough to run Samaritan (albeit likely a bit downgraded), this could be Wii and PS360 all over again.
Basileus777
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The Just Dance titles are released in the holiday season during the Wii's sales spikes as well, you can't disqualify it with that criteria. I'd say that post NSMB Wii they have been the most important titles for the console.
shinra-bansho
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The casual base bought the system for the Wii ___ craze.
They also likely bought Mario Kart and NSMB in large numbers.
That doesn't necessitate that they would all buy a new system in itself for those games.
It's not like the GameCube didn't have Mario Kart or Super Mario.
Shadow of the BEAST
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This is what ive been saying all along.
Wii u is basically wii 2. It will have the same problem attracting 3rd party. And the ports from the real next gen console will look atrocious on it.
I guess the real question is whether the gimmick can attract non gaming masses this time around.
Wii u is basically wii 2. It will have the same problem attracting 3rd party. And the ports from the real next gen console will look atrocious on it.
I guess the real question is whether the gimmick can attract non gaming masses this time around.
Disorientator
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It seems like a slightly worse deal for Nintendo though, a screen will always be at least $15 in production costs or so, while the sensors in the Wii remote are completely negligible in terms of costs.
Ok, then I'll admit that Just Dance probably could've been a system seller. The rest of that list is just laughable.
MonHun might've sold some, too. The rest are pretty safe to say did nothing for hardware sales.
Let's imagine they realized 350, or even 300 euros would be too much and they want to stay at 250.
Now, we don't know how much cost the tab.
We don't know if they want to put a wiimote in the box (cause let's remember that if they don't, they shouldn't even call that thing a Wii to begin with...)
We know they want something small and not energy heavy.
Honestly i think there isn't that much room for them in that case.
In its defence, it will get the best ports than any console for at least a year, until xbox 720 arrives
Phoenician_Viking
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