You know, the console having easy access to all of these features through the interface would in a weird way make it a real successor to the Wii.
If only Nintendo weren't so incompetent and over-protective when it comes to online features.
Vigil in 2012: Wii U "has been on par with what we have with the current generation"
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If only Nintendo weren't so incompetent and over-protective when it comes to online features.
Yeah. Clear cut that they're not going to do any graphic bumps for it and run with 360/PS3 assets. No idea why people aren't getting upset that they're going with the cheap way out and not do any kind of graphical bump (even texture updating). I hope no one here believes for a minute that the Wii U can't update textures due to more RAM. Screams lazy port at least on that front. Maybe it'll pay off for them in that people will be okay with new controller functionality instead of higher res textures (at the very least).
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
You mean they'll go for 2006 hardware?
We likely won't know till it goes on sale and someone does a tear down.
AceBandage
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The GPU was designed in 2009-2011, so nope.
shinra-bansho
Member
The quote says the hardware's been on par, not their game's performance.
It could be a misstatement, but it's a clear statement nonetheless.
CoffeeJanitor
Member
Too vague of a quote for me.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
I thought Nintendo bought all their HW components from museums.
Seriously though, obviously it should be more powerful than PS360. Anything else would be completely shameful.
Paracelsus
Member
I'm not expecting a brutal increase in raw polycount push and even if they pull it off it won't be used just like it hasn't been this round save for a few titles. I hope in a complete and accurate polishing of this generation, with high and smooth framerate, mandatory dynamic lighting and crisp IQ, other than a major bump in texture resolution.
Well, first of all, one could argue that the DS and 3DS technology is actually rather innovative. Both systems use atypical RAM (FCRAM) and very unconventional and unique GPUs, instead of common, off-the-shelf smartphone components.
Anyway, comparing Wii and Wii U, hardware wise, is completely asinine. Wii uses an overclocked Gamecube chipset. Wii U on the other hand uses an all new chipset, developed by several companies over the course of more than two years. Nintendo didn't just source some cheap notebook or set-top box components, they spent years and large amounts on cash having something developed specifically for their system. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to do that if all you end up with is a chipset "on par" with eight year old hardware. There are far more economical ways to achieve that goal.
maquiladora
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So much "I don't like what this guy said so therefore it's bullshit" ITT.
AceBandage
Banned
More of "This guy contradicts what his own team has said" ITT.
But hey, let's not let that stop the Jump to Conclusions Train!
Likewise "The Wii U is going to fail now ololol."
Anasui Kishibe
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now, I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case.
but it could also be a sneaky way to hide the fact they developed a mere port without putting much effort and market all versions as the same graphically so people wouldn't have to favour one insteada another
but it could also be a sneaky way to hide the fact they developed a mere port without putting much effort and market all versions as the same graphically so people wouldn't have to favour one insteada another
This is going to be a very frustrating few months, and will probably just get worse at E3. I expect 3rd party software to look identical. I expect Nintendo to offer a few games that really do look "better" than current gen stuff- but the difference will be in that gray area which will allow people to claim there is no difference.
Nintendo is going to sell the console initially based on its own output, not based on Darksiders II.
Nintendo is going to sell the console initially based on its own output, not based on Darksiders II.
Of course he's talking about the hardware. It works for what they need it to do (i.e. on par). That does not in any way mean the system POWER is weak or even stronger. It hits their base spec and they're not doing more than that whether it does more or not. I hope no one here is even toying with this idea that the Wii U can't have higher res textures at the very least. They're not even doing that (which everyone should know it can do).
Chaplain
Member
Probably because Nintendo, if this guy is spot on in his assessment of the Wii U hardware, is repeating the same cycle from their previous generation. Sell last gen hardware (in this case, six year old hardware) with a new controller and call it a day.
Haunted
Member
I didn't say 2005 hardware, I said hardware with 2005 power levels (power as in graphical prowess).
The Wii is 2006 hardware with 2000 power. Basically.
It's seemed this way from day 1, to me.
An upgraded version of the hardware of the long-in-the-tooth current generation that will not be competing with the hardware of the next generation in terms of power and instead will be competing based on a unique control scheme.
It's a similar situation to the Wii, to me, with the core difference being that this one was announced over a year sooner than the original.
Naturally, this all goes out the window the second we find out that the next Xbox is just a Kinect 2 with an extra CPU and GPU built in and the next Playstation is a small-profile home system with a wireless resistive touch tablet as an input device and where players 2-4 must use Move controllers.
An upgraded version of the hardware of the long-in-the-tooth current generation that will not be competing with the hardware of the next generation in terms of power and instead will be competing based on a unique control scheme.
It's a similar situation to the Wii, to me, with the core difference being that this one was announced over a year sooner than the original.
Naturally, this all goes out the window the second we find out that the next Xbox is just a Kinect 2 with an extra CPU and GPU built in and the next Playstation is a small-profile home system with a wireless resistive touch tablet as an input device and where players 2-4 must use Move controllers.
That doesn't make sense at all. He would never have worded it that way had that been his intent.
AceBandage
Banned
And you would still be wrong.
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qizah
Unconfirmed Member
A lot of people are assuming that Microsoft and Sony fully intend to follow suit with what they did last generation. No one knows the route they're going to take, they might not even opt out for more powerful hardware.
Hell, we don't even know how big of a leap we're going to see yet.
Nintendo will be fine for 3rd party support for least the first 2 years of the Wii U's life cycle, after that we'll see what happens depending on what the PS4 and new Xbox actually are.
Hell, we don't even know how big of a leap we're going to see yet.
Nintendo will be fine for 3rd party support for least the first 2 years of the Wii U's life cycle, after that we'll see what happens depending on what the PS4 and new Xbox actually are.
witchedwiz
Member
so next gen nintendo home console will be on par with current gen?
really nintendo?
will you charge as much as ps360NEXTGEN too?
really nintendo?
will you charge as much as ps360NEXTGEN too?
Considering the money Nintendo made from the Wii I'm not sure you could call this a "mistake" especially compared to Sony and MS's gaming divisions.
We do know. We know the important devs like Epic know what to target, and we know what they're saying.
PS480 will be a very significant leap.
Which should be in 2012 :>
That's what I fervently believed about Wii until the real specs surfaced. Just saying. But this time around at least the technological basis has to be more contemporary, even if the absolute power level won't be.
No, the Wii is 2000 hardware with 1.5 x 2000 power. So at least this will be different for Wii U.
He is the game director!! He shouldn't be using these words! It makes it sound like he is not really on top of things. It is like saying "well... the last time I checked with my team"
I am not doubting his report. I think nintendo is banking on this generation lasting for a couple of more years and that the leap in graphics to the next one isn't going to be huge. (Unreal Engine 4 will show us whether it is true or not)
Also, people have to realize that development costs are going to be even higher for next gen games! One flop and your studio might close! So, I think some studios will play it safe and release their main game on the WiiU, and then upscale to the other 2. (Not sure how likely that is though)
He did word it that way. How can anyone get anything else out of it unless they want to read more into what he said? If he would have said, "It's a more powerful system, but we're not going to do any graphical bumps at all." People would have been all over them for being lazy. Basically, they're being lazy. Well, I suppose they're going to try to do something with controller....
Cerebral Assassin
Member
Epic have also said the Wii U is aiming beyond the current gen, but no-one seems to believe that.
People don't want to accept what that will mean again (no third party support once ps4 and 720 comes). In an earlier thread I mentioned how this is looking to be like another Wii situation and you couldn't believe the denial from people.
Though this is a bit different now. In the other thread I was giving the system the benefit of the doubt that it would at least be a little stronger than the current generation. I still believe that to be the case though, and that they just don't know the system enough yet. But I still believe when the other systems finally come that they will embarrass the wiiU.
designed 2007, released 2008 and running at lower clock speeds in the wii u. the system will be capable of more modern effects but the raw power is that of current gen.
slip out of those nintendo shackles, don't worry it's safe out here, they wont beat you anymore.
elrechazado
Banned
But but they'll have arkham city, which won't be old at all by the time it comes out.
He specifically states it is the hardware which is on par, not the performance of their technology.
He could have simply said, "We're very happy with the system, we have our engine technology performing on par with it's current generation counterparts", or words to that affect.
Chaplain
Member
I think the concern is not that amazing Nintendo games will not look and play amazing on Wii U. The concern, for me and I assume for others, is that key 3rd party titles will not find their way on to Nintendo's hardware and we will be left with another Nintendo system (totally ignoring their handhelds in this assessment) that hardly gets used because of the lack of quality software.
We will not know the answer until E3. But going by previous Nintendo patterns, and now with what Vigil said, all signs seem to point to the same mistakes being repeated from previous generations.
Let's hope they get a better port than what the PC people got! Meaning...let's hope it actually works on day 1
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
That was lightning in a bottle.
Cerebral Assassin
Member
It's not getting great 3rd party support now though, & that has nothing to do with the power.
AceBandage
Banned
So, I have a question then.
Why are we believing a program director, over everyone else?
Epic's Mark Capp said:
Vigil GM said:
Martel of Gearbox said:
He could have said a whole lot of things. The only thing to take from that interview is that they're not doing anything special on the graphics front. It doesn't say the Wii U is powerful or weak. Just that it does what they need it to do and they're not doing more than that.
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qizah
Unconfirmed Member
We've heard a bunch of conflicting things from different people.
No one still knows still, everyone's basing everything off of speculation of he say she said.