I'm just going to hope that he meant Darksiders II looks similar to current gen hardware and not the final retail version of Wii U.
If it is on par with current gen, that'll be a disappointment for sure.
A 7XXX series nvidia gpu can't take on a 4XXX series amd gpu. Same for the cell taking on a PPC7 cpu. If you can't consider these two things alone there is no hope.
I assume you are joking since the reverse is true on all counts of this statement for this generation.Another Wii/DS/3DS situation where Nintendo throws out the weakest and least innovative hardware they can find, provide lackluster software and support, and lower their heads in shame as they finish in last place for the umpteenth time.
I assume you are joking since the reverse is true on all counts of this statement for this generation.
See, we're talking about unknown effects and polycounts (aka "differences"), what's the point.
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Sure, it could have even sharper textures and rounder edges, but come on, this whole discussion is just laugh worthy if you ask me.
Play games and stop shitting around, it looks fine (imo).
Well, Uncharted (2007) still looks good (or ok at least, whatever you wan't) and isn't unplayable in 2012.
+other examples of old games you could tell by yourself.
On the other hand, that could be just what stops Wii U from taking off.well, the entire world is playing games on iphone and ipod, so trying a touch screen controller is really not that bad of an idea.
Please show me any kind of remotely reliable information confirming 1TFLOP+ on the GPU.This is actually known specs... it's not some fantasy, and it's also not what the industry wants next generation consoles to be, they actually want about 4 times those specs on the conservative side, they just don't realize how ridiculous that is.
The Zelda techdemo was rendered at 720p with no AA. On my 100" screen its IQ will be worse than many current-gen console games, which are already far from ideal.Indeed. There are too many people that obsess about shaders effects, textures, polygons etc here. Who gives a fuck, the Zelda WiiU techdemo looks fantastic.
No, it won't. A jump like that will rise dev costs way up again, and no-one apart from like, EA, has that kinda money. The jump from this gen to next won't be anywhere as large as the jump from PS2 to PS3.Sure, but we are still in the same generation of consoles.
This is going to be more like Twilight Princess vs Uncharted 2, Gears of War 2, Mass Effect 2, Red Dead Redemption etc.
Sure, but we are still in the same generation of consoles.
This is going to be more like Twilight Princess vs Uncharted 2, Gears of War 2, Mass Effect 2, Red Dead Redemption etc.
Most of all, if you play a game, you won't notice most of it (I don't say that you don't notice the good graphics as a whole) because you're concentrated on the action.Indeed. There are too many people that obsess about shaders effects, textures, polygons etc here. Who gives a fuck, the Zelda WiiU techdemo looks fantastic.
Please explain the contextual information that changes the meaning of the quote compared to what is presented in the title to us ignorants. I read the article and I can't find it.*bang my head on wall* are we really still getting this BS it's next gen I'm sure some would want every one thinking that it not or using this out of context title without looking at what context he say it in
The jump from this gen to next won't be anywhere as large as the jump from PS2 to PS3.
Indeed. There are too many people that obsess about shaders effects, textures, polygons etc here. Who gives a fuck, the Zelda WiiU techdemo looks fantastic.
Please show me any kind of remotely reliable information confirming 1TFLOP+ on the GPU.
The Zelda techdemo was rendered at 720p with no AA. On my 100" screen its IQ will be worse than many current-gen console games, which are already far from ideal.
*bang my head on wall* are we really still getting this BS it's next gen I'm sure some would want every one thinking that it not or using this out of context title without looking at what context he say it in
Wii U will be a lot closer to the Nextbox then the wii was to 360 or not as big as a jump as some hater will want you to think
But not big enough to stop it getting ports from 720 and PS4. It might be a PS2/Xbox difference, which is noticeable, but not enough to recreate a Wii situation.Maybe, but the difference will still be quite big.
It is the start of next gen. Even if it was a souped up Wii, it would still be the start of next gen.MrBob said:There may be a lot tears at E3 though from those who expected the Wii U to be the start of the next generation.
I don't see this as shocking news. What I expected all along. I'm assuming the current level spec is taking the tablet controller into consideration as well, since this needs power as well. I just want to see if the tablet controller is gamechanging. This is what I'm basing my purchase on!
thats not the indications we are getting.
being on par with the current offerings puts it in the exact same place as the original wii.
It will have a very hard time replicating what is offered on the other consoles.
*bang my head on wall* are we really still getting this BS it's next gen I'm sure some would want every one thinking that it not or using this out of context title without looking at what context he say it in
Wii U will be a lot closer to the Nextbox then the wii was to 360 or not as big as a jump as some hater will want you to think
But not big enough to stop it getting ports from 720 and PS4. It might be a PS2/Xbox difference, which is noticeable, but not enough to recreate a Wii situation.
But not big enough to stop it getting ports from 720 and PS4. It might be a PS2/Xbox difference, which is noticeable, but not enough to recreate a Wii situation.
What are you smoking?
Comparing an SM 4.0 based machine with more edram, more ram, and better cpu to anything last gen which is SM 3.0 with nowhere near the same amount of ram and thinking it's on par shows me you don't understand what WiiU is capable of.
Nintendo is in his own world, they works with their own rules.Microsoft really couldn't figure out how to compete with the Wii in the last couple of years, oh wait, they did.
It's funny how people want us to ignore the Wii's power because it's only one gen of them not competing on hardware, yet they want to look at the Wii's sales as being the standard and not an outlier. I'm pretty sure Sony competed just fine with Nintendo for 2 out of the last 3 gens.
*bang my head on wall* are we really still getting this BS it's next gen I'm sure some would want every one thinking that it not or using this out of context title without looking at what context he say it in
Wii U will be a lot closer to the Nextbox then the wii was to 360 or not as big as a jump as some hater will want you to think
You know, so far the hardware's been on par with what we have with the current generation's.
I didn't say it'll be easy, I just said it should be able to be done. Although we don't know enough about either one of the three systems to be sure, of course.Why should we believe you over Mark Capps who said that it will be hard to port to the WiiU in a few years when the new consoles come out?
... I give up.Shadow of the BEAST said:at best it will be like xbox vs xbox 360.
Rendered twice at 720p and 480x854 respectively. On incomplete hardware about 1.5 years out from launch, from a team inexperienced with HD game development ...It was also rendered twice, also the dev kit had a 1tflop gpu inside of it.
If the developer says they aren't making assets above the current gen why expect more? You can't exceed something when the base materials aren't made to do so.
and the hardware probably been bumped many times.
If the best they can do 7 years after Xbox 360 is the same performance at 1/3 the volume, they suuuuuuck. That's less size reduction than PS2 Slim had 4 years after the original, and that was selling at a significantly lower price than PS2 launched for.DarkChild said:Only reason why they went for custom GPU is to fit it in that tiny box. You can't take something like HD1950xtx and put it in that box. But you can go to AMD for GPU with same performance but with much better performance/watt ratio and thats what they've done. They didn't go for 1+ TFLOP card, they went for 2006 performance in much much smaller package.
I'm expecting more because there have been countless reports that Wii U will be more powerful than current gen, and the hardware probably been bumped many times.
Trying to give Ninty the benefit of the doubt here.
Please explain the contextual information that changes the meaning of the quote compared to what is presented in the title to us ignorants. I read the article and I can't find it.
No one thought that.
It is, was and always will be a fact that it will be in a the middle ground between the two generations.
Rendered twice at 720p and 480x854 respectively. On incomplete hardware about 1.5 years out from launch, from a team inexperienced with HD game development ...
You rather believe in hearsay than use common sense? OK.I think we're all *banging our heads on walls* trying to decipher your posts. It's not out of context.
This is a clear statement:
I just got done reading all the pages and the amount of spinning and twisting of words from EDarkness and others is downright scary.
Add to the fact that they rather have a a "small size" (which isn't even smaller than the Wii) rather than going for as much power as they can is a ridiculous notion. Seriously.If the best they can do 7 years after Xbox 360 is the same performance at 1/3 the volume, they suuuuuuck. That's less size reduction than PS2 Slim had 4 years after the original, and that was selling at a significantly lower price than PS2 launched for.
I completely agree with this btw. The size/power concerns wouldn't prevent a machine like the Wii U from achieving at least ~5 times the performance of 360 these days.If the best they can do 7 years after Xbox 360 is the same performance at 1/3 the volume, they suuuuuuck. That's less size reduction than PS2 Slim had 4 years after the original.
DS -> 3DS isn't anything near an "incremental upgrade". Wii -> Wii U is looking like it'll be the biggest generational tech bump in the industry's history too.Nintendo seem to be keen on the idea of incremental upgrades DS>3ds, wii>>GC etc. I am a jaded Nintendo fan, i owned all Nintendo consoles from SNES to Gc but the Wii just killed my interest in Nintendo.
You rather believe in hearsay than use common sense? OK.
...there have been countless reports that Wii U will be more powerful than current gen...
Its all hearsay, whether its from Iwata or Bob, until we see the console for ourselves.A quote directly from a developer is hearsay now? Unbelievable.
It's just there to give an early indication, and lighting/assets will probably be reasonably close to what we can expect of Wii U Zelda. Hell, given past precedent, the real game will look quite a bit better anyway.Rendering a technical demo that's totally pre-scripted with no AA or game logic to worry about isn't exactly awe inspiring.