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[ElectricBlanketFire]

Flu shots ate an effective means of heard immunity, but relying on it for specific protection is delusional.

Parents are free to stack the odds on their side, but to act like everyone who got the shot are 100% ok to visit is lying to yourself.

I never said they're 100% okay to visit.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

https://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/surv-reporting/cases-by-year.html

Whooping cough cases in 1975: 1,738
Whooping cough cases in 2015: 20,762

Mother fucking anti-vaxxer nut jobs. Vaccinations should be required to claim a tax return, get a driver's license, go to school or college, vote, etc. The only exception should be medical, which is the whole point behind herd immunity.

Arrest all anti-vaxxers and force them to get vaccinated or ship them off to one of the US' unpopulated Pacific Islands.

 

[ShironRedshift]

Calm down, you are acting crazy.

Why is he the one that's crazy? You said he's wrong simply because he's a parent instead of actually providing any form of coherent argument, got called out on that being nonsense, but are doubling down anyway that it's somehow relevant when he's felt the same way before that? Yeah, he ain't the one acting crazy here.

EDIT:

It's clearly the parental madness. It makes people post crazy things on the internet.

And the triple down. Got anything that ain't ad hominem? EBF felt the same way since before he's a parent, but all you can do is say "lol, parent so opinion don't count!!! Aren't I the smartest!!!" How does that make any sense? How is he the crazy one here? Please.

I don't have any kids and feel the exact same way as him as well. There's no logical reason to not get the flu vaccine. "I won't get it" isn't a rational answer because it ain't about you, but rather increasing herd immunity, and even if it were, deliberately avoiding an extremely minor inconvenience that lowers the chance of getting it even further still doesn't make any sense at all. And this is all even more true in the case of infants because of their weaker, still developing immune symptoms making this a much higher risk than with healthy adults. The whole point of herd immunity is to protect those with weak immune symptoms or those who otherwise can't be protected... like infants and newborns. It's a perfectly rational request, with benefits all around.

Or does my opinion not count because I'm somehow a parent in spirit or some shit for feeling that way? And if not, why does it count when someone like me says it but not him? Please get out of here with this embarrassing nonsense.

 

[Theorry]

Its abit weird yeah. Probably overprotective parents, There are always some..

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

Why is he the one that's crazy? You said he's wrong simply because he's a parent instead of actually providing any form of coherent argument, got called out on that being nonsense, but are doubling down anyway that it's somehow relevant when he's felt the same way before that? Yeah, he ain't the one acting crazy here.

EDIT:

And the triple down. Got anything that ain't ad hominem? EBF felt the same way since before he's a parent, but all you can do is say "lol, parent so opinion don't count!!! Aren't I the smartest!!!" How does that make any sense? How is he the crazy one here? Please.

I don't have any kids and feel the exact same way as him as well. There's no logical reason to not get the flu vaccine. "I won't get it" isn't a rational answer because it ain't about you, but rather increasing herd immunity, and even if it were, deliberately avoiding an extremely minor inconvenience that lowers the chance of getting it even further still doesn't make any sense at all. Or does my opinion not count because I'm somehow a parent in spirit or some shit for feeling that way? And if not, why does it count when someone like me says it but not him? Please get out of here with this embarrassing nonsense.

Get ready for a lesson in comedy, for you are about to be masterfully trolled.

 

[skullmuffins]

Flu shots ate an effective means of heard immunity, but relying on it for specific protection is delusional.

Parents are free to stack the odds on their side, but to act like everyone who got the shot are 100% ok to visit is lying to yourself.

I don't think the OP's friend or anyone in this thread has acted like getting a flu shot is a 100% guarantee. It's a smart precaution that has virtually no downside other than a small cost and inconvenience.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

Its abit weird yeah. Probably overprotective parents, There are always some..

From the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC):

Encourage others to get a whooping cough vaccine (called Tdap vaccine) at least 2 weeks before meeting your baby if they are not up-to-date with their whooping cough vaccines.

 

[garath]

If they are asking you to get the shots, take it as a compliment. Typically parents only ask people they expect to be close to and hold their newborn to get shots. It is completely reasonable and takes 5 min at pretty much any major pharmacy in the US. If you think it is too much to ask, go youtube babies with whooping cough. We asked our immediate family, those we knew would be interacting with the baby the first few months to get the shots. They all happily obliged and said it was really easy to go get them at CVS. No doctors appointment needed.

From the crazy Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC):

Great posts.

A newborn does not yet have the vaccines and routine virus that can inconvenience an adult can potentially kill a newborn.

My wife an I asked my parents and her parents to get the same shots prior to visiting only because we knew they would have repeated close contact with the baby. Seriously, it's not being crazy or overprotective. It's taking a low effort preventative measure for something that can kill your child.

It's really only for a newborn and to answer some of the more cynical posts, no, we didn't keep our newborn in the house for the first 6 months but we also didn't let strangers hold the baby when we were out of the house.

It's just being cautious with one of the most fragile periods of a human's life.

 

[onadesertedisland]

Whooping cough is easily spread and very dangerous to newborns. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3oZrMGDMMw

Get the shot. It's painless and you can get it at CVS/Walgreens for free under most insurance.

 

[Kayhan]

Baby needs to toughen the fuck up.

 

[milanbaros]

UK so not entirely applicable, but I have never in my life been asked to do this before visiting new born relatives and nor have I heard of anyone asking/being asked.

It might not be unreasonable, but here is no way this is a normal request.

Again, UK.

 

[Captain Tuttle]

Mother fucking anti-vaxxer nut jobs. Vaccinations should be required to claim a tax return, get a driver's license, go to school or college, vote, etc. The only exception should be medical, which is the whole point behind herd immunity.

Arrest all anti-vaxxers and force them to get vaccinated or ship them off to one of the US' unpopulated Pacific Islands.

It's not just anti-vaxxers. There's been a couple of outbreaks in my kids schools and when I brought them in for their annual checkups the Doctor told me that the increase was due to the weakening of the vaccine in the 90's when I blamed anti-vaxxers. Apparently people could get a little swelling or a rash from the original vaccine and they weakened it where now you need boosters. I guess they miscalculated and the boosters should be given earlier than recommended.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellne...tive-early-form-study-finds/story?id=16898211

Anti-vaxxers still suck though

 

[onadesertedisland]

Its abit weird yeah. Probably overprotective parents, There are always some..

No it isn't, and no they aren't. Your opinion is not valid and does not help.

 

[siddx]

Why is he the one that's crazy? You said he's wrong simply because he's a parent instead of actually providing any form of coherent argument, got called out on that being nonsense, but are doubling down anyway that it's somehow relevant when he's felt the same way before that? Yeah, he ain't the one acting crazy here.

EDIT:

And the triple down. Got anything that ain't ad hominem? EBF felt the same way since before he's a parent, but all you can do is say "lol, parent so opinion don't count!!! Aren't I the smartest!!!" How does that make any sense? How is he the crazy one here? Please.

I don't have any kids and feel the exact same way as him as well. There's no logical reason to not get the flu vaccine. "I won't get it" isn't a rational answer because it ain't about you, but rather increasing herd immunity, and even if it were, deliberately avoiding an extremely minor inconvenience that lowers the chance of getting it even further still doesn't make any sense at all. Or does my opinion not count because I'm somehow a parent in spirit or some shit for feeling that way? And if not, why does it count when someone like me says it but not him? Please get out of here with this embarrassing nonsense.

This is an intense amount of crazy. You might want to check if you have any kids you don't know about.

 

[Lurch666]

From the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC):

Encourage others to get a whooping cough vaccine (called Tdap vaccine) at least 2 weeks before meeting your baby if they are not up-to-date with their whooping cough vaccines.

I presume this is because of all the anti vaxxers so is this something that has been recently introduced since anti vaxxing has become a thing?
Maybe it's why some of us haven't heard of it (either never had kids or had kids a long time ago).

Having read this thread I now see why parents WOULD want to get a visitor to have those jabs.The comments I made before where from my experience of being a parent in the U.K. in the nineties.

 

[Charles Brandon]

UK so not entirely applicable, but I have never in my life been asked to do this before visiting new born relatives and nor have I heard of anyone asking/being asked.

It might not be unreasonable, but here is no way this is a normal request.

Again, UK.

Also UK. And a parent. If someone asked me to do this I would think they were off their nut.

edit: I think we all get vaccinated against whopping cough in school though. But the point stands on the flu jab.

 

[Theorry]

UK so not entirely applicable, but I have never in my life been asked to do this before visiting new born relatives and nor have I heard of anyone asking/being asked.

It might not be unreasonable, but here is no way this is a normal request.

Again, UK.

Jup here to in The Netherlands. If i am sick myself i offcourse will never go.
But to get a vaccin i never heard of before. And i went to visit alot of baby's.

 

[Calamari41]

I swear, people are going fucking nuts. we all survived without forcing every relative to get flu shots. ffs.

Yeah, we all survived. The thousands who have died from the flu didn't, though. They can't snark on a message board so I can understand why they seem invisible.

The flu isn't cancer or heart disease, but to act like it's no big deal, especially historically, is not accurate. Deaths are way down in modern times, yes, but you can thank modern medicine, including the flu vaccine, for that.

I presume this is because of all the anti vaxxers so is this something that has been recently introduced since anti vaxxing has become a thing?
Maybe it's why some of us haven't heard of it (either never had kids or had kids a long time ago).

Having read this thread I now see why parents WOULD want to get a visitor to have those jabs.The comments I made before where from my experience of being a parent in the U.K. in the nineties.

Yeah, definitely a time and place issue. In certain areas of the US, the vaccination rates are at third world levels. This wasn't nearly as big an issue even ten years ago, but its getting to be a huge problem.

 

[Giant Panda]

I get a flu shot every year because it only costs me like 15 minutes to significantly reduce the chances that I miss a week of work/school and feel awful. Why not get a flu shot every year?

 

[Nomad Blue]

What's the vaccination rate like in those countries?

No idea, wouldn't even know where to look, but the countries are UK, UAE, New Zealand and Australia.

 

[onadesertedisland]

Jup here to in The Netherlands. If i am sick myself i offcourse will never go.
But to get a vaccin i never heard of before. And i went to visit alot of baby's.

http://www.rivm.nl/en/Topics/N/National_Immunisation_Programme

 

[Theorry]

http://www.rivm.nl/en/Topics/N/National_Immunisation_Programme

What does that have to do with me?

 

[skullmuffins]

To people who think this is a case of overprotective parents: Would you still say it's overprotective if it was instead an adult friend with an immunodeficiency (say, from AIDS or chemo) who was asking them to make sure they were up-do-date on their vaccines before visiting their place for several days? Because that's pretty much the same situation.

 

[Kornoponing]

http://www.rivm.nl/en/Topics/N/National_Immunisation_Programme

That's the national program for immunization of babies and children. But there's no government page in NL that states immunization prior to a baby visit is necessary (not that I'm arguing against it, if the CDC say you should then you should!).

 

[StrangeADT]

Coo-cool, guys.

I appreciate the input. Like I said in the OP, I'm new to this and would get the shots, regardless. They asked, I'm not gonna disrespect that.

It just struck me as odd and overprotective. But there's not a rule against being overprotective - and at the end of the day, it sounds like most people do this, so I'm clearly the odd-man out.

Thanks!

Go take a look at a video of a baby with whooping cough on YouTube. I dare anyone to call them overprotective after that. Vaccinations are an amazing thing; it's unfortunate that they've really made many people ignorant to how awful a lot of the shit that we're vaccinating against is.

 

[LegendofJoe]

I get a flu shot every year because it only costs me like 15 minutes to significantly reduce the chances that I miss a week of work/school and feel awful. Why not get a flu shot every year?

Everyone in my family does the same and lo and behold my son contracted influenza b this year. And guess what my son was sick for less than 2 days and my wife and I had sore throats for a few days. If we had not bothered to get flu shots it would have taken all of us a lot longer to get over it. This is how herd immunity is built up.

 

[Charles Brandon]

What does that have to do with me?

I think it means you have already been vaccinated against whooping cough

 

[DrDamn]

Out of interest, the OP says the baby was born in January and they are visiting in April. The baby would at 2 months have had their first TDAP - when does protection from this actually kick in for the baby then?

(Also from the UK and never heard of this sort of request).

 

[superdeluxe]

Newborns have zero immune system, perfectly normal. they even tell parents to get these shots as well as caregivers because newborns cant get shots on their own for a bit.

 

[Arthr2ShdsJcksn]

I get the shots and act like nothing is wrong. That takes the suspicion away from me when the police discover that the baby formula was laced with ricin.

 

[Yaboosh]

Get ready for a lesson in comedy, for you are about to be masterfully trolled.

I certainly wouldn't call it masterful.

 

[onadesertedisland]

That's the national program for immunization of babies and children. But there's no government page in NL that states immunization prior to a baby visit is necessary (not that I'm arguing against it, if the CDC say you should then you should!).

The poster was unaware of what the vaccine was.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

I certainly wouldn't call it masterful.

thatsthejoke.jpg

 

[SSM25]

Let the kid train its immune system, it will be better off in the long term

 

[onadesertedisland]

http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p4039.pdf

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

Let the kid train its immune system, it will be better off in the long term

Please read...anything.

 

[Llyranor]

UK so not entirely applicable, but I have never in my life been asked to do this before visiting new born relatives and nor have I heard of anyone asking/being asked.

It might not be unreasonable, but here is no way this is a normal request.

Again, UK.

I presume this is because of all the anti vaxxers so is this something that has been recently introduced since anti vaxxing has become a thing?
Maybe it's why some of us haven't heard of it (either never had kids or had kids a long time ago).

Having read this thread I now see why parents WOULD want to get a visitor to have those jabs.The comments I made before where from my experience of being a parent in the U.K. in the nineties.

Also UK. And a parent. If someone asked me to do this I would think they were off their nut.

edit: I think we all get vaccinated against whopping cough in school though. But the point stands on the flu jab.

Times have changed. The antivaxxer craze has crossed the Atlantic. In terms of UK stats, measles cases in 2016 (488) jumped up 5 times compared to 2015.

Pertussis has jumped up also since the 2010's.

Yeah, we all survived. The thousands who have died from the flu didn't, though. They can't snark on a message board so I can understand why they seem invisible.

The flu isn't cancer or heart disease, but to act like it's no big deal, especially historically, is not accurate. Deaths are way down in modern times, yes, but you can thank modern medicine, including the flu vaccine, for that.

Indeed. The flu pandemic of 1918 killed more people than all of WW1.

 

[hokahey]

Man. I can't imagine asking someone to do this, nor being asked to do this. None of my family or friends have ever done this. It's a bit odd.

 

[Already Torn]

Isn't Petrussis the one that may cause SIDS?

 

[Harmen]

What does that have to do with me?

The odds that you are vaccinated are very high. Almost every person here is vaccinated against many diseases when they are young.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

This is why we just don't bring people around the baby for a few months.

And why I don't visit newborns.

That being said yea, if you wanna see kid get your shots.

Flu almost killed my mother and brother. Shit is no joke. I get my vaccine every year. Fuck that. All this medical technology. You blessed enough to have access to it take advantage.

 

[Calamari41]

Let the kid train its immune system, it will be better off in the long term

Pertussis is not something you train a two month old's immune system with.

 

[Omadahl]

I did the same thing. To be honest, a few friends thanked me because they hadn't gotten their tdap in years. The shot is free under almost any health plan too. Also, Tetanus sucks.

 

[LegendofJoe]

Man. I can't imagine asking someone to do this, nor being asked to do this. None of my family or friends have ever done this. It's a bit odd.

Read through this thread and educate yourself.

 

[Iorv3th]

It is odd depending on where you live. I have never heard of adults getting those shots before seeing a newborn.

 

[RumblingRosco]

Let the kid train its immune system, it will be better off in the long term

Are you being sarcastic, or are you just scientifically illiterate? It's OK either way, but I just need to know so I can respond appropriately.

 

[Harmen]

Let the kid train its immune system, it will be better off in the long term

Let people choose to "train" their system when they are older, but let's not give babies potentially crippling or even deadly diseases.

 

[TheSeks]

I forget what the TDAP is, but the flu shot is a scam. I can understand why they want you to get it (because they have a newborn) but I don't think it's absolutely necessary to get.

 

[Fantastapotamus]

Seems pretty normal to me. I wouldn't wanna risk the live of my child cause my friend didn't get a shot. Better that than those anti-vax assholes (thanks for the measles guys, really cool)

I forget what the TDAP is, but the flu shot is a scam. I can understand why they want you to get it (because they have a newborn) but I don't think it's absolutely necessary to get.

As long as OP doesn't lie to them and tells them he didn't get a shot, right?

 

[Tinfoilhatsron]

I'll side with the CDC here.