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[cyberheater]

I don't understand why the platform holders don't work with other companies to create legal emulators and earn some coin from it.

It would negate a lot of the reason for homebrew.

 

[StoppedInTracks]

Pro-tip: This thread is being moderated right now.

Please keep discussion on topic and don't make generalizations or accusations which are poorly supported. Thank you.

:bow

Anyway from announcing on the website and releasing to the public something that is NOT a simple "Hello World!" app months or even 1 year can pass.

 

[tborsje]

Yeah, you're right. PSP was loaded with great amazing software from the Homebrew community.

It was pretty good. Homebrew software has vastly improved hardware for many people - if you want an example, look no further than some of these threads:

PSP Custom Firmware Thread #1

GAF Wii Homebrew thread: Homebrew, emulators, USB disc installs! Easy tutorial! #1

PS3 CFW & Homebrew |OT| Scene Revived! -- morality arguments elsewhere #1

Are all these people hiding the "dark truth" also?

 

[BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO]

I have a question for all the people wanting nes,SNES,n64 emulators. Do you plan on actually ripping the cartridge yourself or download them from a illegal ROM site like everyone else? Even if it only allows emulation it'll still lead to piracy.

 

[Blitzzz]

I don't understand why the platform holders don't work with other companies to create legal emulators and earn some coin from it.

It would negate a lot of the reason for homebrew.

you don't understand why Nintendo won't work with Sony to make a SNES emulator for Vita?? really?

 

[Maedhros]

I don't understand why the platform holders don't work with other companies to create legal emulators and earn some coin from it.

It would negate a lot of the reason for homebrew.

I don't know why the platform holder don't work together and create only one platform... it would be rather convenient to the consumers...

 

[Sutanreyu]

People weren't satisfied with just being able to develop with the PS Suite stuff?

 

[TONX]

Sorry if it was asked before, but how long before the PSP was hacked after release? I don't remember it taking as long as it did for the Vita.

 

[duckroll]

I have a question for all the people wanting nes,SNES,n64 emulators. Do you plan on actually ripping the cartridge yourself or download them from a illegal ROM site like everyone else? Even if it only allows emulation it'll still lead to piracy.

What about homebrew apps which enhance the functions of the system and interface? Is everything about emulators?

 

[Foshy]

People weren't satisfied with just being able to develop with the PS Suite stuff?

People are never satisfied with what they get.

 

[Fafalada]

Sorry if it was asked before, but how long before the PSP

As long as it took customer to unpack one? FW1.0 shipped unlocked, so every PSP was "hacked" from day 1.

 

[Takamura-San]

What about homebrew apps which enhance the functions of the system and interface? Is everything about emulators?

That's a fair point. But there are many posts here celebrating the Vita as the would be "best emulation machine". I don't see that question so far fetched.

I for one hope this fails. I want the vita to be supported by developers. If the vita fails, I rather it was because it wasn't mean to be, and not because developers backed away due to low software sales and piracy.

 

[cyberheater]

you don't understand why Nintendo won't work with Sony to make a SNES emulator for Vita?? really?

They should. Shake hands and make some cash.

 

[Blitzzz]

People weren't satisfied with just being able to develop with the PS Suite stuff?

what happened with PS Suite anyways? Are there even any user created apps out there?

If homebrew enables someone to make an app that boots into normal android or something, I would be all for it. I want to stream twitch on it goddamnit!

 

[BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO]

What about homebrew apps which enhance the functions of the system and interface? Is everything about emulators?

Emulators seem to be the reason why people are excited about it getting hacked. Or at least judging by the 16 pages of this thread it seems to be.

 

[Delusibeta]

What about homebrew apps which enhance the functions of the system and interface? Is everything about emulators?

The problem is that, for all the benefits homebrew will bring, I'll be willing to bet good money that at least 90% of the people who soft modded their Wiis, PSPs and PS3s (and 95% of those that hard mod their 360s and got flash cards for their DSes) did it to run pirated games. Homebrew and piracy go hand in hand, unfortunately, hence initiatives like PlayStation Mobile and XBLIG to try (and fail) to reduce demand for such hacks.

 

[Kyon]

Shaking my damn head so hard rn.

 

[Mysterious Stranger]

I still don't see any new or good games except ports for VITA. All the stuff you guys are talking about can be done with your current cpu.

 

[turnbuckle]

If it becomes the greatest emulation machine ever created, I'm in.

Yup. I strongly hope that this doesn't result in piracy of Vita/PSN games, but being able to emulate older systems with a portable that has that excellent dpad, buttons, and screen would be godly.

 

[duckroll]

I want to clarify what is not welcome in threads like these:

- Comments which pray and hope for misfortune upon hackers working on the homebrew solutions. They are also human beings, and they are doing a public service. You can disagree with what they do, but that is an opinion. When you add on unjustified accusations and hope misfortune befalls them, that crosses the line.

- Comments suggesting that other users who have a valid point are actually lying or have ulterior motives. This is not a witch hunt forum. That sort of anti-social behavior is not welcome here.

- Blanket statements made to generalize and cast an entire group of people in poor light regardless of intent. Don't do it. It's stupid and it leads nowhere.

Does homebrew and jailbreaking often lead to the ability to pirate content on a platform in the long run? Of course. Can this be seen as a negative thing for the platform holder and for developers on the platform who fear that piracy can affect their sales? Absolutely. Does this mean that homebrew and jailbreaking is only beneficial to pirates and that any consumer who supports it is supporting piracy? Absolutely not.

I hope these helpful tips provide more clarity on the sort of behavior expected on such threads.

 

[Takamura-San]

They should. Shake hands and make some cash.

I will entertain your notion.

License a Snes emulator for the vita. Allowing people to use downloaded roms from the internet.

Tell me, why should i buy anything from the virtual console then? Even a 3DS for that matter?

 

[SmokedMeat]

What about homebrew apps which enhance the functions of the system and interface? Is everything about emulators?

That would be fine if it stopped there, but we all know it won't, and that's my problem. Sorry, but I'm just a worried Vita owner.

 

[Kyon]

I really am curious tho.. Why would you want to play old games on like every system? lol can't homebrew be about bringing new features instead of emulation all the time?
Sounds boring/repetetive to play NES games or whatever all the time bleh


EDIT: DAMN Duckroll beat me to the question lmfao I guess im not the only one thinking about this then

 

[Zoe]

Sony should waive the $99 fee and let a few talented homebrew guys (port and) sell their ware on PS Mobile. Win-win.

Why is $99 seen as such a barrier? Especially when you're talking about selling apps.

 

[Takamura-San]

Sony should waive the $99 fee and let a few talented homebrew guys (port and) sell their ware on PS Mobile. Win-win.

While this may help, this is the same barrier used by apple and that doesn't stop the flow of apps. There has to be another checkpoint from sony that may be delaying the PSmobile apps, ports.

Edit: I acknowledge that apple's user base is gigantic compared to the vita.

 

[test_account]

Sony should waive the $99 fee and let a few talented homebrew guys (port and) sell their ware on PS Mobile. Win-win.

I dont think that this would have stopped any hacking to be honest. PS Mobile doesnt have full Vita access because it isnt primarily a thing for Vita. This means limitations, and this would give reasons to do the hacks.

 

[Brazil]

And now I'm considering getting a Vita soon.

 

[tborsje]

While this may help, this is the same barrier used by apple and that doesn't stop the flow of apps. There has to be another checkpoint from sony that may be delaying the PSmobile apps, ports.

One obvious checkpoint is that PlayStation Mobile isn't released yet.

 

[Hex]

What about homebrew apps which enhance the functions of the system and interface? Is everything about emulators?

I do not believe that is completely applicable here to be honest.
There was a full suite of software for creation released for those serious about making legit tools and functional software.
This is what keeps being ignored.

 

[Pepto]

This is great. I love emulators.

 

[Takamura-San]

I dont think that this would have stopped any hacking to be honest. PS Mobile doesnt have full Vita access because it isnt primarily a thing for Vita. This means limitations, and this would give reasons to do the hacks.

Please explain this line of thought.

Why working within the constrains of the OS so bad? Even on windows you can only do as much as the OS allows.

One obvious checkpoint is that PlayStation Mobile isn't released yet.

Oh...

 

[Grokbu]

Please explain this line of thought.

Why working within the constrains of the OS so bad? Even on windows you can only do as much as the OS allows.

It's not necessarily bad. But the Vita has got more horsepower than what is usable with PS Mobile, and that horsepower could be used to create homebrew stuff.

EDIT: At least that's how I understand it.

 

[vg260]

The homebrew people may love the system potential for their use, but I think they need to put their efforts on the backburner for the good of the system. It's too early, and it's in too tenuous a spot now. It could lead to piracy, and that risk is not worth it if it leads to the system getting killed off. Their intent may be noble, but they should consider the repercussions of what they're doing. Chill out and make sure the system is going to survive before helping send it to an early grave. (insert Jurassic Park quote here)

 

[Sid]

I want to clarify what is not welcome in threads like these:

- Comments which pray and hope for misfortune upon hackers working on the homebrew solutions. They are also human beings, and they are doing a public service. You can disagree with what they do, but that is an opinion. When you add on unjustified accusations and hope misfortune befalls them, that crosses the line.

- Comments suggesting that other users who have a valid point are actually lying or have ulterior motives. This is not a witch hunt forum. That sort of anti-social behavior is not welcome here.

- Blanket statements made to generalize and cast an entire group of people in poor light regardless of intent. Don't do it. It's stupid and it leads nowhere.

Does homebrew and jailbreaking often lead to the ability to pirate content on a platform in the long run? Of course. Can this be seen as a negative thing for the platform holder and for developers on the platform who fear that piracy can affect their sales? Absolutely. Does this mean that homebrew and jailbreaking is only beneficial to pirates and that any consumer who supports it is supporting piracy? Absolutely not.

I hope these helpful tips provide more clarity on the sort of behavior expected on such threads.

So what do you think,is cracking into the console for homebrew good enough when it often leads to piracy thereby having a detrimental effect on software sales as well as the already minimal software support especially in this climate?software is where sony makes most or all of it's money on the vita plus there will be several firmware updates to counter this which will be bad for every customer who doesn't want this

 

[duckroll]

I do not believe that is completely applicable here to be honest.
There was a full suite of software for creation released for those serious about making legit tools and functional software.
This is what keeps being ignored.

Only within the framework of what Sony wants their system to be. You are ignoring that there are people who disagree with the framework to begin with. Like how accounts and memory cards are being managed by the OS for example. Not everything fits into a simple niche which can be declared "good" or "bad" objectively.

 

[Takamura-San]

Only within the framework of what Sony wants their system to be. You are ignoring that there are people who disagree with the framework to begin with. Like how accounts and memory cards are being managed by the OS for example. Not everything fits into a simple niche which can be declared "good" or "bad" objectively.

They can disagree with it, but I don't agree they have the right to break it.

I feel that if they feel so strongly against the constrains of the system, they should develop their own OS and hardware to go with it. Or go with hardware designed to be open and modifiable as liked. Maybe the Ouya portable if that gets created.

 

[tborsje]

Why working within the constrains of the OS so bad? Even on windows you can only do as much as the OS allows.

Well for one, everything on PlayStation Mobile has to go through Sony cert. According to Sony's FAQ Sony isn't going to allow free apps - everything developed has to priced and Sony will get a cut of that (the amount depending on "current market conditions").

And of course that means no emulators, which is obviously something that a lot of people care for.

They can disagree with it, but I don't agree they have the right to break it.

I would argue that I can do whatever I want with my Vita.

 

[OmegaZero]

Thanks for the tips, duckroll.

Anyway, like other people have said, I'm not against Yifan Lu or what he's doing. It was inevitable, after all.
I just didn't expect something like this to happen so soon, and don't like what it implies.
But hey, if in the end, this gets released without somehow opening the door for more "ambitious" hacks, then I'll be cheering alongside the rest of his supporters.

But I'm jumping the gun a little bit. It's still too early to start crying "Vita/Vita's third party support is officially dead", especially when this project is in its earliest stages. I'm just worried that people won't stop with just emulation and/or awesome new features.

 

[AkuMifune]

They can disagree with it, but I don't agree they have the right to break it.

I feel that if they feel so strongly against the constrains of the system, they should develop their own OS and hardware to go with it. Or go with hardware designed to be open and modifiable as liked. Maybe the Ouya portable if that gets created.

You think adding android to the vita is actually a good idea?

Wait, actually. That would be cool.

Do it.

 

[Hex]

Only within the framework of what Sony wants their system to be. You are ignoring that there are people who disagree with the framework to begin with. Like how accounts and memory cards are being managed by the OS for example. Not everything fits into a simple niche which can be declared "good" or "bad" objectively.

This is true.
I just believe with how easy it is to get a readily hackable piece of equipment that can run pretty much anything and that you can express pretty much most software needs with, like that vita shaped thing that has popped up a few times or the android ICS thing that had the kickstarter to the psp and countless other things, there comes a point when there should be a weighing of the pros and cons of opening that pandora's box.
Once is opened, it is not easy to close back up and the damage is done.
I would love a robust app system on the vita to even rival a quarter of the android market or the ios app store.
But I also want third parties to create games for the device even more.

 

[phosphor112]

You think adding android to the vita is actually a good idea?

Wait, actually. That would be cool.

Do it.

I like how everyone wants Android on it, even though it's an absolutely bloated OS that runs like crap.

 

[b3b0p]

All I want to do is play my PSX and PSP games, so I guess I'll get Vita now as soon as I can load PSX ISO's and PSP ISO's. I own every game already I would even want to play on disc or UMD, so I'm not buying them again just to have a PSN digital DRM version. No Vita games interest me otherwise, at least now and nothing announced either, but I want the hardware.

 

[Levyne]

I never found much of a use for PSP homebrew..I will take a look here but again, not sure if I'd ever use it.

 

[Htown]

They can disagree with it, but I don't agree they have the right to break it.

I feel that if they feel so strongly against the constrains of the system, they should develop their own OS and hardware to go with it. Or go with hardware designed to be open and modifiable as liked. Maybe the Ouya portable if that gets created.

Or they should go ahead and modify the hardware they own in any way they see fit, like it's a normal fucking object.

 

[test_account]

Please explain this line of thought.

Why working within the constrains of the OS so bad? Even on windows you can only do as much as the OS allows.

I see that others have already replied, so i can basically just echo what they have said I dont know how limited PS Mobile is, but lets say that it only gives out access to 50% of the Vita's hardware power. Then it is possible to use the reason "i want full access to all the hardware".

I didnt mean that this gives them any more rights trying to hack the system, i just mean that there will be reasons given to hack the system further even if official homebrew support is being offered.

 

[AkuMifune]

I like how everyone wants Android on it, even though it's an absolutely bloated OS that runs like crap.

Because we have so many options for an open source software we can put on the best handheld ever to make it more functional.

Linux, maybe? Lol?

 

[Takamura-San]

You think adding android to the vita is actually a good idea?

Wait, actually. That would be cool.

Do it.

I don't think i stated that.

Well for one, everything on PlayStation Mobile has to go through Sony cert. According to Sony's FAQ Sony isn't going to allow free apps - everything developed has to priced and Sony will get a cut of that (the amount depending on "current market conditions").

And of course that means no emulators, which is obviously something that a lot of people care for.

Emulators wouldn't be approved even if they allowed free apps. I can see the appeal of the public to have them. But I hope you understand why Sony or any of the big 3 would oppose the use of them.

I would argue that I can do whatever I want with my Vita.

I would argue that breaking the system is not doing anything to your Vita, they are altering software created and licensed by Sony. I see "doing anything with my Vita" as using your vita as a paper weight, a coaster, door stopper, or as a football. When you buy a vita you don't buy the right to alter the software that came with it.

 

[GoofsterStud]

Android port would be wonderful. The PSP graphics are better than any correct smart phone with integrated controls by a mile.

The library would increase by 200x over night. I love the controller on the PSV and the PSX phones have crappy hardware.

With an Android hack, we would be able to run the best looking games with no problems! We'd have Movie support and access to many hacks overnight.

No PSV emulator rip off could compare to doing it on the real thing!

I embrace the inevitable Android port!

Tablet functionality wouldn't be all that bad either.

If Android was ported to the PSV, then we would have access to many more games coming down the road! More then we could ever hope with the current PSV situation.

Finally Monster Hunter would come to PSV, via Android OS thanks to homebrew.

 

[phosphor112]

Because we have so many options for an open source software we can put on the best handheld ever to make it more functional.

Linux, maybe? Lol?

Android would take up practically all of the RAM that thing has available. At least Linux can run on practically nothing since it's extremely low level.

 

[itxaka]

I like how everyone wants Android on it, even though it's an absolutely bloated OS that runs like crap.

Why do we put linux on everything? Because we can, fuck yeah. That is at the hearth of every linux user out there, we are like cats, we do things because, fuck you that's why!