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Vita OLED burn in.

Hm, had a different OLED handys and only experienced a slight burn-in on my first oled-handy and the manufacturer (samsung) exchanged it, newer oleds seem to be more burn-in resistance.

You should Sony let repair or exchange your Vita.
 
The point is that it didnt to me and millions others, and I use it daily and know about the issues the tech has. If it eventually happens, I'll cry some and let GAF know in the Vita thread. But it still doesnt make it a common and widely spread issue.

Regardless of how common it is, it could still happen, and is likely to with more time and use.
 
what happens if you put it in sleep mode every hour or so for a few mins?



as far as i know. nothing should happen if you put the system in sleep mode. the screen is off :/

The point is that it didnt to me and millions others, and I use it daily and know about the issues the tech has. If it eventually happens, I'll cry some and let GAF know in the Vita thread. But it still doesnt make it a common and widely spread issue.


if you lower the brightness and never keep it on on a static image, it shouldnt happen to you at all . i have had my GS2 for years and nothing happened. and i used that more than VITA along with my iphone.
 
It's not a matter of IF but WHEN...unless you don't play on your Vita. To what degree is the question.

Unless your very lucky I guess.
 
as far as i know. nothing should happen if you put the system in sleep mode. the screen is off :/




if you lower the brightness and never keep it on on a static image, it shouldnt happen to you at all . i have had my GS2 for years and nothing happened. and i used that more than VITA along with my iphone.

I have my Vita brightness at around 15% all the time. Good to know thats a good way to keep the device safe ;p

It's not a matter of IF but WHEN...unless you don't play on your Vita.

Every device eventually cracks. If I get 3-4 years out of that device, I'm good. If its less, then I'll be a bit salty but I'll still buy another one and consider that a good investment for the time I spend on the console. And maybe keeping the brightness down helps too as the guy above said.
 
The point is that it didnt to me and millions others, and I use it daily and know about the issues the tech has. If it eventually happens, I'll cry some and let GAF know in the Vita thread. But it still doesnt make it a common and widely spread issue.

Its a pretty widespread issue. Happened to everyone around me with a Galaxy. Whats your anecdotal evidence ;P ?

Hence, we even had neogaf threads about this:

I have OLED burn in.

Oled burn-in (Vita)
 
I wouldn't actually call it burn in. OLED works, like almost all displays, by using a red, a green and a blue subpixel. It's the blue subpixel that is at fault here. Due to the way OLED works, the blue organic polymer decays three times as fast as the other two. So, if you use a lot of blue, the blue will begin shifting color compared to the other subpixels, giving a sense of 'burn in'.

Depending on the screen brightness, and the colours most shown on the screen (especially white or pure blue) the effect can become more noticeable. Most screens just dim equally, so you won't notice it unless you view it in a pure dark room. Best thing to do is staying away from max brightness, setting it on half gives you twice the lifetime.

And if you know how to make blue OLEDs that have a long lifetime, a good efficiency and produce a deep bright blue, contact me, we can become millionaires.
 
I have my Vita brightness at around 15% all the time. Good to know thats a good way to keep the device safe ;p



Every device eventually cracks. If I get 3-4 years out of that device, I'm good. If its less, then I'll be a bit salty but I'll still buy another one and consider that a good investment for the time I spend on the console. And maybe keeping the brightness down helps too as the guy above said.

dont worry about the screen. seriously. alot of OLED screens in the market. the burn in happens alot faster if the backlight is high.

even in normal LCDs, high backlight will actually make the brightness of the screen " dimmer " over the years

just dont use static image for long period. " which is why the browser on vita has issues. it basically a static bar all the time "

Its a pretty widespread issue. Happened to everyone around me with a Galaxy. Whats your anecdotal evidence ;P ?


dude, i read about OLED and burn in shit since i got my Galaxy Nexus 1. and i never had a burn-in in all my devices that i use way more than a VITA which is barely couple of hours a day and even less.

1- dont use high brightness
2- no static images .

and you are good to go for years. in fact you would throw your vita to your lil brother / son / collection box and nothing happens to the screen if you do those 2 things above.
 
Every device eventually cracks. If I get 3-4 years out of that device, I'm good. If its less, then I'll be a bit salty but I'll still buy another one and consider that a good investment for the time I spend on the console. And maybe keeping the brightness down helps too as the guy above said.

I keep the brightness on minimum. I used to be the guy who had everything on full, but the trade off isn't worth it. Better batter is important in the age of quad core, and dear God Octo-core phones.
 
um, the vita has a battery life of 3 hours. What did you do to let it burn in?

Burn it happens when you leave the same image on the screen for prolonged periods. I don't see how it happens. When my vita is untouched, the screen goes dark in less than a minute
 
I keep the brightness on minimum. I used to be the guy who had everything on full, but the trade off isn't worth it. Better batter is important in the age of quad core, and dear God Octo-core phones.

Can you link to a phone that can use eight full sized cores at the same time?
 
Still not seeing the flood of images on image search. And the reason there isn't many complaints about plasma is because it is no more prone to burn in than crts, and people used to game on those all the time.

[and there is a difference between image retention on plasma, and burn in, for those who don't know]

Well after reading this i think i'll stop here... wait no, i won't.
Let alone the fact that since you are capable of finding multiple images and multiple threads only on this very forum of the problem it means that it isn't really rare. These problem wake up over time it's not like after you've seen that you don't have it you are safe, it's barely a year since Vita is out and problems already started popping out some time ago for someone, it's not a matter of If but of When people will experience these problems, i think in this year almost everyone will experience heavy IR and burn-in.
Also Plasma are waaay more sensible than CRTs regarding burn-in at this time the only plasma that i'll put at the same level of CRT regarding problems are the (sadly discontinued) Pioneer Kuro.
 
um, the vita has a battery life of 3 hours. What did you do to let it burn in?

Burn it happens when you leave the same image on the screen for prolonged periods. I don't see how it happens. When my vita is untouched, the screen goes dark in less than a minute

It's just normal decay. It doesn't matter if you play three hours straight, it's the total time played that counts.
 
It's just normal decay. It doesn't matter if you play three hours straight, it's the total time played that counts.

Correct, but that still doesnt make it a huge issues. I already put probably about 1000 hours into my Vita (70-100 on Motorstorm RC alone), plus daily 15 minutes of GAF for about over a year and lots of other games.
 
Can you link to a phone that can use eight full sized cores at the same time?

The S4 uses the Exynos 5 Octa processor. Sure its not all 8 cores at once, but quad core is crazy enough regardless. I've heard that this octa set up helps battery life a bit, but damn its still no where as good as it used to be.
 
dont worry about the screen. seriously. alot of OLED screens in the market. the burn in happens alot faster if the backlight is high.

even in normal LCDs, high backlight will actually make the brightness of the screen " dimmer " over the years

just dont use static image for long period. " which is why the browser on vita has issues. it basically a static bar all the time "




dude, i read about OLED and burn in shit since i got my Galaxy Nexus 1. and i never had a burn-in in all my devices that i use way more than a VITA which is barely couple of hours a day and even less.

1- dont use high brightness
2- no static images .

and you are good to go for years. in fact you would throw your vita to your lil brother / son / collection box and nothing happens to the screen if you do those 2 things above.

So everything is okay with OLED screens if you don´t use every feature of the device. Thats fine I guess.
 
Correct, but that still doesnt make it a huge issues. I already put probably about 1000 hours into my Vita (70-100 on Motorstorm RC alone), plus daily 15 minutes of GAF for about over a year and lots of other games.

Given that oleds have a lifetime of over 20,000 hours, that doesn't surprise me.
But it could be that Sony uses different manufacturers for it's OLED display, and that some people get shafted with a lesser quality display. I have nothing to confirm that though.

dont worry about the screen. seriously. alot of OLED screens in the market. the burn in happens alot faster if the backlight is high.

Since when does OLEDs use a backlight? The whole problem of colour shifting exists just because of the fact that the subpixels emit light themselves.
 
Well after reading this i think i'll stop here... wait no, i won't.
Let alone the fact that since you are capable of finding multiple images and multiple threads only on this very forum of the problem it means that it isn't really rare. These problem wake up over time it's not like after you've seen that you don't have it you are safe, it's barely a year since Vita is out and problems already started popping out some time ago for someone, it's not a matter of If but of When people will experience these problems, i think in this year almost everyone will experience heavy IR and burn-in.
Also Plasma are waaay more sensible than CRTs regarding burn-in at this time the only plasma that i'll put at the same level of CRT regarding problems are the (sadly discontinued) Pioneer Kuro.

thread has much FUD. e.g.:
i think in this year almost everyone will experience heavy IR and burn-in.

PS. Kuro didn't have magic anti burn in tech.
 
Those two were very bad. But then again, it was my own fault as I would play those games on PS3 for 4-6 hours straight, then do the same thing the next day without using the tv for anything else.

That's exactly how a TV should be able to be used without worrying about it. That's how any gaming device should be able to be used.
 
So everything is okay with OLED screens if you don´t use every feature of the device. Thats fine I guess.

blame sony for choosing OLED tech and providing a static bars to destroy the screen fast :/

but yes. as long as your brightness say. 50% and no use of static images / lines, then you ok.

keep in mind for example if you play PSX on 4:3 resolution, you will get 2 lines on the side of the screen " the black bars" if you play for long period of time. you will see 2 thin lines on the sides of the screen " the line that is between the black bar and the game it self.

so when you play PSX games. play on full image

Since when does OLEDs use a backlight? The whole problem of colour shifting exists just because of the fact that the subpixels emit light themselves.


i mentioned the backlight as even LCDs has issues "dim display by time etc"
 
the type of "burn in" that is being discussed here can also effect LCD. it's most obvious for people who watch a lot of 4:3 content
 
I still miss my Vita but I have no doubt this is the sort of thing that would happen to me. My Vita's analogue sticks went off centre after about 2 or 3 weeks, I sent it back and got a refund I just didn't trust the build quality of it. I loved it though and I miss it everyday :(
 
I was disappointed when I just bought and imported the Soul sacrifice limited vita. The screen is not good at all, some of the worst I have ever seen. I have those black inc Mura stuff, vertical lines that make each game look like crap, and now there's possibility for burn in? No wonder Sony stock are in junk, cause the past decade they been releasing nothing but pure junk, nothing of quality.
 
I still miss my Vita but I have no doubt this is the sort of thing that would happen to me. My Vita's analogue sticks went off centre after about 2 or 3 weeks, I sent it back and got a refund I just didn't trust the build quality of it. I loved it though and I miss it everyday :(

You could just get another one and send it back if its faulty again? Plenty of people without big issues in the Vita thread. Not like its common to have big issues with the device.

I was disappointed when I just bought and imported the Soul sacrifice limited vita. The screen is not good at all, some of the worst I have ever seen. I have those black inc Mura stuff, vertical lines that make each game look like crap, and now there's possibility for burn in? No wonder Sony stock are in junk, cause the past decade they been releasing nothing but pure junk, nothing of quality.

Sure, buddy.
 
I was disappointed when I just bought and imported the Soul sacrifice limited vita. The screen is not good at all, some of the worst I have ever seen. I have those black inc Mura stuff, vertical lines that make each game look like crap, and now there's possibility for burn in? No wonder Sony stock are in junk, cause the past decade they been releasing nothing but pure junk, nothing of quality.

Broken screen change your console.
Why would you buy a product from a company that only releases junk products ?
 
If the "FUD" educates people and prompts them to take steps to mitigate burn-in (however unlikely) what's the problem? OLED screens will get their feelings hurt?

Hey, I'm all for education. FUD on the other hand is designed to unfairly tarnish a product, company, or tech in order to prevent sales.


Well if OLED tv's suffer from burn in then I'm not going to get one. Which is the same reason I bought a Sony LCD screen rather then plasma.

Well, this is scary.. considering I ocasionally read manga and stuff through the vita's browser...

This is terrible.

Oh god. Oh god no. Not this! Now I'll be freaking out every time I turn on the device

I'm incredibly paranoid about image retention
Well crap. So much for OLED replacing Plasma as the technology of the future and avoiding the few problems those sets had. Fuck.

So much for buying an OLED TV..

etc.
 
And this is why Nintendo didn't go with OLED, even though many criticized them for that.

Nintendo didnt go with OLED, because they didnt want to sell the 3DS at an even higher price.
 
I was disappointed when I just bought and imported the Soul sacrifice limited vita. The screen is not good at all, some of the worst I have ever seen. I have those black inc Mura stuff, vertical lines that make each game look like crap, and now there's possibility for burn in? No wonder Sony stock are in junk, cause the past decade they been releasing nothing but pure junk, nothing of quality.

black inc Mura stuff
OLED problem. Cant see it in almost all cases. Not really an issue. If it bothers you thats a shame.

vertical lines
Sounds broken to me. That isnt normal at all.

and now there's possibility for burn in
Again its an OLED thing and as explained its not burn in per say. Also there seems to be very few instances of it and I dont think its an easy thing to get. I am yet another who has played their Vita a LOT and not had any issue. If you use the browser a lot and have it on full brightness you might be a fair bit more likely to get this.

nothing but pure junk
Silly comment. I received a faulty product = all Vitas are faulty????

Personally The fantastic colours and contrast with the no noticable ghosting is easily worth it for me. If you dont feel that way then thats fine to.

However the vertical lines sound like you need a replacement Vita.

And this is why Nintendo didn't go with OLED, even though many criticized them for that.
Instead the just made sure the console itself would scratch the top screen to make up for it.
 
I see it like this: some OLED panels may break after years (though all of mine are still fine), LCD is a broken technology by design.

And this is why Nintendo didn't go with OLED, even though many criticized them for that.
So what is Nintendo's reason for going with a really crappy LCD instead of a high quality IPS panel?
(hint: it's the same reason they didn't go for OLED)
 
I see it like this: some OLED panels may break after years (though all of mine are still fine), LCD is a broken technology by design.

So what is Nintendo's reason for going with a really crappy LCD instead of a high quality IPS panel?
(hint: it's the same reason they didn't go for OLED)

Yeah so they just picked the worst screen possible.
They didn't go with OLED for maximum profit.

3DS screen is S-IPS lol...
 
I don't care about what type of screen it is , just look at it. The colors the size etc ..
Love my 3DS tho as much as my vita but hate people criticizing for fun.

Well I guess I also find it funny when people act like the 3DS screens are bottom of the barrel. The resolution is low because of the glasses free 3D tech. I own both Vita and 3DS and 3DS XL and like them.
 
Hey, I'm all for education. FUD on the other hand is designed to unfairly tarnish a product, company, or tech in order to prevent sales.

Well you took the wrong guy if you think i'm a "FUD spreader" because actually i prefer the Vita to do actually better in general and better than the 3ds for a bunch of reasons and i'm happy that Samsung (the one that pushes more on these kind of screens) has reached the maximum for the marketable specs on the GS4 (FullHD, billions of ppi and whatnot) so they can focus more on the reliability and fixing the problems.

If i talk bad about the tech it's because right now there's bad stuff in it.

its not burn in per say.

Per se. It's per se not per say. It's Latin.
 
Well it happened just now and everything looks awful. Be warned Vita bros, OLED apparantly is very prone to burn in. Hope Sony will replace it.
Yup they used Samsung panel for vitas and they have burn in. Even on my Galaxy Nexus. I don't think it's such a big deal
 
I can totally see Sony using a LCD with mobile Bravia engine for the inevitable PSVita revision.
 
Source? Because I've seen it and it certainly doesn't look like it.

3DS screen is S-IPS lol...

I cant find anything about the 3DS having S-IPS screens.

3DS BoM at launch was estimated to be $33.80 for the 3D Screen while Vita's screens were estimated to be $50.

Even if your estimations are true, it still means they tried to keep the costs low, which seems to be a rather common way of handling things at Nintendo, and likely the reason why they didnt go with better screens.
 
I can totally see Sony using a LCD with mobile Bravia engine for the inevitable PSVita revision.
That would make me much happier to have jumped in early. OLED is just so much better, especially for gaming.

The 3DS has a polarizing filter on top of the screen that might diminish the effect a bit.
I see that you quoted an explanation for the IPS acronym. Which I knew. But where is the source on the 3DS using IPS panels? Because they look like TN to me.
 
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