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[Dec]

Exactly.

Heck, it is actually possible for an LCD to development similar problems. I recall hooking up an Apple Cinema Display and being stunned by the fact that it actually suffered from severe image retention problems.

I have an LCD tv that I grabbed like 6-7 years ago that has absolutely crazy burn in. Images burn-in in like 5 minutes. The rapid rate makes it completely unusable because the methods you use to remedy it take significantly longer than it takes for it to just reappear.

Obviously it's a low quality screen bought from when LCD TVs cost a fortune, and completely worn out. The point is that screens have a life time.

 

[Midnight Phoenix]

Using my Vita with 100% brightness from launch day and there is no burn-in. Yes there is Mura, but it can be seen only in complete dark with black screen only, so it can't affect game experience.
And on screenshot half of screen is green, it's not like burn-in. When burn-in happen, it's happen on whole screen, not on part of.

 

[VanWinkle]

You can easily check if the 3DS screen is IPS. Just look at it on a more extreme angle and if the colors don't go to hell, it's most likely IPS. The thing is, IPS is not the best choice for gaming machine. Ghosting on that type of screen is pretty noticeable, just look at any side scrolling 60FPS game on iphone 4, 4S, 5 or any ipad. When in motion, Rayman on any of those is a blur city compared to rayman on vita.

3DS has horrible viewing angles, and color and contrast worse than any IPS I've seen. I don't believe it's IPS, but if It is, it's by far the worst I've ever seen.

 

[dark10x]

People have different perspectives on this problem. I have seen people act as if the 3ds screens are going to destroy their eyes while million of gamers are enjoying monster hunter 3 ultimate on the 3ds at this moment.

It does destroy my eyes but I can still enjoy playing it.

 

[DidntKnowJack]

I love how one guy claims he has this happen to him, now it's a widespread problem. Overreaction: the thread.

 

[LeleSocho]

how old is the Vita now..? if ALL people get Burn in, why don´t we see more reports on it..?

the Vita is a year old and people are already having problems, the console is supposed to last at least 6 years... please keep in mind that OLED is a tech that degrades very rapidly compared to others...

Sincerely i can't wait for a restyle with a lcd.

 

[Korezo]

You can easily check if the 3DS screen is IPS. Just look at it on a more extreme angle and if the colors don't go to hell, it's most likely IPS. The thing is, IPS is not the best choice for gaming machine. Ghosting on that type of screen is pretty noticeable, just look at any side scrolling 60FPS game on iphone 4, 4S, 5 or any ipad. When in motion, Rayman on any of those is a blur city compared to rayman on vita.

I'm a try that out when I get home. All I know is that when I had a 3ds I had no problems and enjoyed playing games, same with ios device. Then I get a vita and the same day I noticed things out of the ordinary, Did a search on google of stuff I saw on my screen and find loads of posts with people having same problem.

 

[Twinduct]

DR2K, possible to show where the burn in is on that screenshot?
I first assumed the youtube hud was the burn in, but yeah.

 

[Chaos Theory]

Wow it took 3 pages to start the console warriors to appear.

Quality contribution, you should have a bright future here.

i am not starting shit. i only bought the Vita less than 1 week. i am not even in the position to start anything.

we are only talking about screens here. and yeah i would pick a VITA screen over 3DS screen any time of the day. its mypersonal point of view.with all respect to yours ofcourse.

but i wonder. why are you bitter ?

my post was actually laughing at the dude comment. however, you took it so seriously. your 3ds is butt hurt because i lolled ? move on dude

 

[Meier]

I'm really surprised to read about people having used their Vita browser at all after the first day let alone frequently. Huh.

The Mura effect thing is totally trippy but I only see it when playing at night in bed with the lights off so it's a novelty more than anything. Hopefully I don't encounter the issue the OP has at some point. I'd be gutted.

 

[Hanmik]

I have an LCD tv that I grabbed like 6-7 years ago that has absolutely crazy burn in. Images burn-in in like 5 minutes. The rapid rate makes it completely unusable because the methods you use to remedy it take significantly longer than it takes for it to just reappear.

Obviously it's a low quality screen bought from when LCD TVs cost a fortune, and completely worn out. The point is that screens have a life time.

I have a brand new 42" 1080P LG LED screen which I bought november last year..
and two 8 years old 37" 720P Grundig LCD TV´s.. (and a 32" Philips LCD TV). The olde Grundig tv´s have been used ALOT.. and they work like a charm, nothing wrong with any of them.. in fact none of my TV´s have ever suffered from any problems. Guess I´m just lucky then.

 

[dark10x]

the Vita is a year old and people are already having problems, the console is supposed to last at least 6 years... please keep in mind that OLED is a tech that degrades very rapidly compared to others...

Sincerely i can't wait for a restyle with a lcd.

You're mad.

F*ck LCDs. Cannot wait until they eventually disappear. The worst technology for gaming that survives simply because people don't know any better. LCDs are the Toyota Camry of display technology. Reliable, cheap, but lacking in all areas of performance.

 

[DR2K]

Well at least Sony is repairing it at no charge.

 

[Midnight Phoenix]

TFT-LCD is basically every LCD whether it be VA, IPS, PLS, or whatever Sharp uses in their badass Elite series TVs.

Despite the hard-on people have for IPS, its does not always mean "good quality". To put it simply, IPS is just a different way or arranging the liquid crystals so you get better viewing angles amongst other things.

For monitors, LG's IPS panels were notorious for poor quality control if you were looking for a perfect panel for professional work. We're talking about huge variances in actual measured contrast, problems with uncorrectable tinting, backlight bleeding, dark striping, and so forth.

In the case of the 3DS XL, I'm convinced the 3D filter (especially this), extremely low pixel pitch, and Nintendo's aim for higher profit margins is the reason why the display is not exactly great.

You know, that big companies like NEC, DELL, EIZO, HP, Apple and others using LG panels? They are not bad, you just get quality equal from money that you pay for monitor.

 

[kinggroin]

Because it has infinite black depth, theoretically less motion trailing, and wider colour gamut for more vibrant colours. All things that make games look better.

The problem is, well, burn in and in some people's eyes, its a risk they're willing to pay. Its like why some people still use CRTs for gaming despite all of the small problems they have.



All mobile OLEDs ghost. Its pretty obvious they use sample and hold, without black frame insertion, much like how a LCD does.

Infinite black depth, the tech is capable of sure. Sony chose to run the display at a low voltage even at its dimmest with everything black, which means its not as dark as it can be. Its supposed to save some power since it apparently is costlier to brighten up from zero, but I hated that night time gaming allowed you to see the imperfect black levels.

I don't think I've seen a device with OLED switch the panel/pixels completely off for absolute black levels. At least, not since the original galaxy.

 

[Lord Error]

I'm a try that out when I get home.

Yeah, just look at the scrolling background on both. On the ipad it's especially noticeable due to larger screen. It's practically dizzyingly blurry if you try to focus on the background.

 

[Chaos Theory]

Well at least Sony is repairing it at no charge.

good for you man. they will probably give you a new screen.

 

[Dec]

I have a brand new 42" 1080P LG LED screen which I bought november last year..
and two 8 years old 37" 720P Grundig LCD TV´s.. (and a 32" Philips LCD TV). The olde Grundig tv´s have been used ALOT.. and they work like a charm, nothing wrong with any of them.. in fact none of my TV´s have ever suffered from any problems. Guess I´m just lucky then.

Or I could be incredibly unlucky. Screens do have a limited lifetime. The large majority wont reach it before being replaced for other reasons but I guess I was unlucky enough to own one that did.

 

[Durante]

You're mad.

F*ck LCDs. Cannot wait until they eventually disappear. The worst technology for gaming that survives simply because people don't know any better. LCDs are the Toyota Camry of display technology. Reliable, cheap, but lacking in all areas of performance.

I agree 100%. LCD isn't really great for anything, but it's particularly bad for gaming.

 

[LeleSocho]

You're mad.

F*ck LCDs. Cannot wait until they eventually disappear. The worst technology for gaming that survives simply because people don't know any better. LCDs are the Toyota Camry of display technology. Reliable, cheap, but lacking in all areas of performance.

Sorry but for very small screens it's still better than anything else more than ever on a console that is supposed to last more than 1-2 years, they are veeery reliable and a good lcd still looks really nice. Total different story with monitor and tvs.

 

[Chaos Theory]

I agree 100%. LCD isn't really great for anything, but it's particularly bad for gaming.

i actually don't. while LCDis an old technology, they last for years without bad effects.

i can never swallow a screen burn in. no matter what. and i would rather pay 1000$ and get a decent screen with good colors and full HD that will last for years over paying 1000$ for an amazing screen with an amazing colors and full HD that will last less. and have a friggin burn in during these years too to piss you off.

 

[Sakujou]

Using my Vita with 100% brightness from launch day and there is no burn-in. Yes there is Mura, but it can be seen only in complete dark with black screen only, so it can't affect game experience.
And on screenshot half of screen is green, it's not like burn-in. When burn-in happen, it's happen on whole screen, not on part of.

First i thought the OPs problem would be mine but its the quoted one. Its there since day1 and it annoys me when i have to endure the loading times. Will this eventually lead to a game breaking vita?

 

[Lord Error]

I agree 100%. LCD isn't really great for anything, but it's particularly bad for gaming.

IMO, high end LCDs are best for text/UI stuff, where the image is mostly static most of the time, and they can provide very high brightness. To illustrate this, I'd rather have LCD like on Iphone 5 on a phone, than an OLED on the same phone.

But for gaming, it's plasma for big screen and oled for smaller screens all the way.

 

[Burgess_101]

You could just get another one and send it back if its faulty again? Plenty of people without big issues in the Vita thread. Not like its common to have big issues with the device.



Sure, buddy.

Yeah I could have gotten another one but I didn't trust the thing, I bought some PC parts instead otherwise I probably would have gotten another one.

 

[Vexxan]

This is terrifying, when I get a Vita I'm gonna be all paranoid about this. Good to see at least Sony takes the hit for it.

 

[Durante]

IMO, high end LCDs are best for text/UI stuff, where the image is mostly static most of the time, and they can provide very high brightness. To illustrate this, I'd rather have LCD like on Iphone 5 on a phone, than an OLED on the same phone.

But for gaming, it's plasma for big screen and oled for smaller screens all the way.

I see your point, but for reading text in a bright environment, e-ink is actually the best bet. I agree that for a multi-purpose device that's often used outside like a phone a (good) LCD panel it makes sense for now. At least until brighter OLED displays are possible.

 

[Midnight Phoenix]

First i thought the OPs problem would be mine but its the quoted one. Its there since day1 and it annoys me when i have to endure the loading times. Will this eventually lead to a game breaking vita?

No. Mura effect consist in next: some diodes get wrong voltage (i.e. there is no uniformity), so they are not turned off and not show pure black (as those lines shows). If there was uniformity, all screen was pure black, equal to those black spots and lines. Majority of IPS panels and all TN panels have the same issues. Semi-pro and pro monitors has ability to "uniform" panel. Only difference, that on oled you see lines on TFT you see light/grey spots. There is a sample, how it is on TN panel

 

[dark10x]

i actually don't. while LCDis an old technology, they last for years without bad effects.

i can never swallow a screen burn in. no matter what. and i would rather pay 1000$ and get a decent screen with good colors and full HD that will last for years over paying 1000$ for an amazing screen with an amazing colors and full HD that will last less. and have a friggin burn in during these years too to piss you off.

I've been using my Kuro since 2008. Still looks incredible.

All types of displays can last for years with heavy usage. OLED is still unproven, but it's also very new technology. Early LCDs were known to cause eye cancer.

Plasmas are long lasting. CRTs are long lasting. Rear projection displays are long lasting provided you keep a bulb on hand.

LCDs require the least amount of care, I suppose, but it's not worth sacrificing EVERYTHING ELSE for the sake of convenience.

Honestly, while my equipment is in transit to Europe, I've been using a Sony HD CRT for PS3 gaming lately. It re-ignited my love of CRTs. Games, even those running at sub-720p, look glorious on this thing. It's positives far outshine the loss of resolution. You end up with just such a vibrant, clean image. It's really remarkable.

I'd love to show people some PC games running at 1280x720 at 120 Hz on a good CRT. I think everyone would be shocked by just how good it would look.

 

[Midnight Phoenix]

This is terrifying, when I get a Vita I'm gonna be all paranoid about this. Good to see at least Sony takes the hit for it.

Games always have some action on screen and all diodes in use. Burn-in effect on Vita can be issues after 2+ years, or if you will keep it "on" several weeks with static picture. Thats why sony do-not allow you to keep it allways on, to replace table clock.

Vita has excellent display. It is little oversaturated, than my IPS NEC monitor, but to be honest it is better, than iPhone 5 and Nexus 4 displays. It is way more closer to real colors.

 

[R-User!]

It's funny: ever since I got eye floaters I learned to deal with crap on screens

it's much worse when you've got crap in your eyes I guess, lol. Puts things into perspective.

All screens are faulty in some way. It's a bummer but I think that in most cases you'd be able to look past it. I stayed away from my PSP for a while because it got crazy dust under the screen and now I just play and ignore the specs (the equivalent to like 5 dead pixels lets say).

Salsashark! You can pretty easily remove the front plate and restore the "newness factor" of the screens with a clean glasses/phone microfiber cloth; just wipe off the dust from the screen in your bathroom after steaming up the room (so dust will settle to the ground) and put the front plate back in slowly and your back to 99-100% dust free for a year or so!

 

[AwRy108]

I'm really surprised to read about people having used their Vita browser at all after the first day let alone frequently. Huh.

The Vita browser is actually terrific, now--it received a pretty huge update within the last 6 months, now I actually prefer it over my iPhone 4S based on speed and dat OLED.

 

[olimpia84]

This reminds of a thread in that PS3Trophies site where a ton of people got this burn-in issue. It was deserved and nothing surprising though since they left their Vitas on overnight with a rubberband in order to get one of the LBP Vita trophies that requires you to spend a ridiculous amount of time in the level creator mode lmao

 

[JWong]

PSStar home screen?

Do you purposely keep your Vita out of sleep mode so it can burn in or something?

 

[evangd007]

You're mad.

F*ck LCDs. Cannot wait until they eventually disappear. The worst technology for gaming that survives simply because people don't know any better. LCDs are the Toyota Camry of display technology. Reliable, cheap, but lacking in all areas of performance.

So LCDs will continue to proliferate and flourish, because for the vast majority of normal non-technophile human beings it's good enough.

You do know that Toyota is the biggest auto seller in the world, and the Camry is the third best-selling car in the world, right? Like the Camry, the LCD isn't going anywhere anytime soon. And it won't be replaced by prestige, Ferrari-level display tech, to continue the auto metaphor. It will be replaced by something mass market that will probably be "reliable, cheap, but lacking in performance".

 

[FairXchange]

Don't have this problem. That being said, fuck me for not buying the extended warranty.

 

[dark10x]

So LCDs will continue to proliferate and flourish, because for the vast majority of normal non-technophile human beings it's good enough.

You do know that Toyota is the biggest auto seller in the world, and the Camry is the third best-selling car in the world, right? Like the Camry, the LCD isn't going anywhere anytime soon. And it won't be replaced by prestige, Ferrari-level display tech, to continue the auto metaphor. It will be replaced by something mass market that will probably be "reliable, cheap, but lacking in performance".

Which I wouldn't mind provided high-end displays continue to be made.

THAT'S why I dislike LCDs. They have killed the high-end market.

The Camry's popularity certainly hasn't killed off Ferrari, for instance.

 

[Easy_D]

You can easily check if the 3DS screen is IPS. Just look at it on a more extreme angle and if the colors don't go to hell, it's most likely IPS. The thing is, IPS is not the best choice for gaming machine. Ghosting on that type of screen is pretty noticeable, just look at any side scrolling 60FPS game on iphone 4, 4S, 5 or any ipad. When in motion, Rayman on any of those is a blur city compared to rayman on vita.

Eh. The Lumia 920's IPS screen is pretty damn good in that regard. It supposedly has <9ms response time according to Nokia. The iPhone 5 by comparison has 23ms.

 

[javac]

Which I wouldn't mind provided high-end displays continue to be made.

THAT'S why I dislike LCDs. They have killed the high-end market.

The Camry's popularity certainly hasn't killed off Ferrari, for instance.

Not really, AMOLED and all its variants are pretty common in the high end smart phone market. You don't see much more due to Samsung having a large chunk of that market.

 

[SniperHunter]

My Plasma tv doesn't have burn in, my Vita doesn't have burn in and neither does my Samsung LED monitor. With these things you have to be careful. Set an auto off timer, don't always use the highest brightness settings and make sure to turn the devices off when you are not using them.

common sense, which I learned when I got my plasma.

I also agree with dark10x, LCD's are fucking awful. Fuck LCD's, I hate ghosting

 

[turnbuckle]

Checked mine before I left for work - no burn in on mine.

 

[PsySal]

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[Crimsonclaw111]

Are you not allowed to have this issue fixed by Sony? Seems like something that falls under the whole "1 year warranty" thing for consoles.

 

[dark10x]

Not really, AMOLED and all its variants are pretty common in the high end smart phone market. You don't see much more due to Samsung having a large chunk of that market.

I'm more concerned with monitors and TVs, personally. We'll see what happens.

 

[SneakyStephan]

You're mad.

F*ck LCDs. Cannot wait until they eventually disappear. The worst technology for gaming that survives simply because people don't know any better. LCDs are the Toyota Camry of display technology. Reliable, cheap, but lacking in all areas of performance.

Seeing people bash oled and then turn around to praise LCD technology makes my head hurt.
It's unbelievable how effective marketing can be.

LCD has:
-awful response time meaning the pixels can't keep up changing color fast enough which means the image will blur really badly when a scene changes fast
CRT, plasma and oled all don't suffer from this problem, lcd is simply unfit to display fast panning scenes ( highly common in videogames, highly uncommon in tv or movie scenes which is why many people don't know).

-extremely poor and inaccurate contrast, the pixels don't emit their own light but light is passed through them from behind them by fluorescent lights (similar to the ones you see in office spaces on ceilings) or by leds lamps.

There isn't anywhere near to one light source per pixel (on the contrary) so you can't even remotely begin to accurately regulate the brightness of each pixel.
What this gets you is either overly bright light parts of a scene or crushed blacks (instead of shades of black and grey you get a uniform black/grey area, so all detail in dark scenes and shadows is lost)
CRT, plasma and oled pixels all produce their own light, so the brightness of each pixel can be invidividually controlled, this means you get pretty much perfect contrast, it's in a different league

LCD tech also dpesn't handle scaling well at all (a big problem since few console games are 1080p)

LCD tech is 'good' at showing static images (the pixels don't have to move so response time doesn't come into play) viewed at a direct angle.
LCD is good at showing correct image geometry (one downside of CRT, plasma and oled don't have this problem), something that matters for graphic designers and artists, irrelevant to the normal consumer
LCD tech is bad at showing very dark or very bright scenes (backlight + lose a ton of brightness when the light passes through the crystals and the layers of the panel)
LCD tech is EXTREMELY bad at showing movement

The tech is fucking garbage and was a huge step back from CRT technology, the only thing driving it was cost efficiency (profits) and clever marketing and easy to fool consumers.


LCD needs to go away... yesterday.

 

[LeleSocho]

I'm more concerned with monitors and TVs, personally. We'll see what happens.

Yeah there is where LCD is a cancer, it first killed Pioneer who made the best tv and now is killing Panasonic that still makes good plasmas...
The day i will have to replace my Kuro will be a very very sad day.

 

[Korezo]

Just recieved my second Soul Sacrifice vita and compared it to the 1st. Again they both have vertical lines across the screen but not as noticeable as the 1st one. So either all screens on vita have this or quality control @ Sony is terrible. They also both suffer from Mura in the dark but my second one has some black Mura dot, I thought the dot was a dead pixel but can't be because when vita is not displaying a dim or dark picture I can't see it. Bottom line is who ever gets a decent vita screen is probably extremely lucky. I've read posts of people exchanging 4-7 times and in the end of the day it still was far from perfect. You have to choose what and what you can't deal with. For me I chose to keep the vita with dot on screen that's only visible on certain occasions with the slightly less noticeable vertical lines.

 

[dark10x]

Just recieved my second Soul Sacrifice vita and compared it to the 1st. Again they both have vertical lines across the screen but not as noticeable as the 1st one. So either all screens on vita have this or quality control @ Sony is terrible. They also both suffer from Mura in the dark but my second one has some black Mura dot, I thought the dot was a dead pixel but can't be because when vita is not displaying a dim or dark picture I can't see it. Bottom line is who ever gets a decent vita screen is probably extremely lucky. I've read posts of people exchanging 4-7 times and in the end of the day it still was far from perfect. You have to choose what and what you can't deal with.

My launch unit does NOT have any of those lines but it does have the "mura" in the dark for certain. If Sony didn't insist on sending a bit of power to the pixels at all times I suspect we wouldn't see it.

 

[Dec]

My launch unit does NOT have any of those lines but it does have the "mura" in the dark for certain. If Sony didn't insist on sending a bit of power to the pixels at all times I suspect we wouldn't see it.

The lines mostly appear on grey colors. Lower brightness makes them easier to see.

Only time I ever see them while playing is when I look at the sky or something in Uncharted on a night/low light level. They pop up all over while watching videos (Dota 2 has an entire side of the map that is pretty grey). Also the Vita confirmation boxes that are grey/blue colored make them visible aswell.

There have been a few discussions I've found about it, and also about phones with similar screens that show the same issues. I don't think it's hugely common but I don't think it's as rare as something like this burn-in. My guess is a lot of people just don't notice it.

There were a few people with the issue here. and from there someone linked a phone discussion here. The vita discussion is a little disappointing to read because of the people trying to dismiss the problems as if the people that have them hate the Vita or something.

 

[Bill Rizer]

I've seen Nokia Lumia oled displays and they show almost absolute black in the dark, without any sideffect. They are not free of blur, but I can think if one day plasma won't exist anymore but we'll have oled of this quality instead of lcds still won't be bad.

 

[DR2K]

This kind of looks like a backlight failure to me. Possible it's fhat instead? Either way sorry to hear and hope you can get it fixed.

It's burn in, I can see the imprint of the previous time and icons in a very light setting.

Are you not allowed to have this issue fixed by Sony? Seems like something that falls under the whole "1 year warranty" thing for consoles.

They're fixing it.