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Wait what? Dafuq was this gesture by Musk???
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MilkyJoe
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Dr.Morris79
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It did get pretty good, and it's only the second day.So how are the discussions going gu...
Elog
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What? I actually prefer BlueSky now that most major accounts are there as well because I can 100% control my feed (which I want). I hate that Twitter does not let me control my own feed and have done change after change to make it harder with an increase in rubbish content/bots.
Simply love that I am in control as a user@BlueSky.
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MilkyJoe
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EX-FUCKING-ZACTLY!!!!The weird thing is, those good old Democrats and the far left have been doing a weird form of Nazi ideology for years now, and people are crying they lost...
Race separation
Stifling free speech
Advocating the mass abortion of babies
Book banning
Advocating body horrors on children and the vulnerable
'Our Democracy'
Etc, etc..
But, let's go with Elons over enthusiastic autistic arm gestures. That's the real problem here
JCK75
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Preventing Fascism by acting like Fascists... that checks out.
Wandering Leopard
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Pretty much this, I don't think it was a "correct" one but the similarities are undeniable.
Additionally - while context is important - that salute carries too much history. Basically, if you asked a million people to record themselves doing and saying exactly what Musk did (applying the same context) and post it on their Insta/X/Facebook accounts etc - I'd wager only a fraction would do it.
In spite of the above, I lean towards this as Musk displaying his awkward mannerisms eg. When he danced on stage.
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MayauMiao
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He is probably a redditor.
RagnarokIV
Battlebus imprisoning me \m/ >.< \m/
In that case he might return to the thread logged into his wife's boyfriend's account!
Mistake
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Elon has a long history of being a troll, I know that. And if you honestly believe these things, I guess he succeeded
IlGialloMondadori
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lol now I know you’re a troll.
BlackTron
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I don't like his reaction very much. Okay, so I think that he, most likely unwittingly, performed a hand gesture that looks like a Nazi symbol.
The correct reaction to that is NOT "oh won't you all stop trying to see things where there aren't any". At THAT point it becomes gaslighting bullshit.
For a genius billionaire out to "do good for the world" and handed his own podium the day of a Presidential inauguration, his PR skill is devastatingly low.
For normal people it's hard to parse the difference between bad intent and being extremely eccentric.
The correct reaction to that is NOT "oh won't you all stop trying to see things where there aren't any". At THAT point it becomes gaslighting bullshit.
For a genius billionaire out to "do good for the world" and handed his own podium the day of a Presidential inauguration, his PR skill is devastatingly low.
For normal people it's hard to parse the difference between bad intent and being extremely eccentric.
The Sum of Zero
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Punching out Nazis should be an American right, last thing I'll say on the subject.
Maybe people here would realize that, but I think they're blinded by Elon's balls because they're sucking his dick upside-down so much.
And I'm no leftist. BOTH SIDES can eat my drunk fat ass.
Maybe people here would realize that, but I think they're blinded by Elon's balls because they're sucking his dick upside-down so much.
And I'm no leftist. BOTH SIDES can eat my drunk fat ass.
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analog_future
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Imagine any other person in the world performing what appears to be a Nazi salute and being given a pass because they're eccentric.
"Oh, that's just silly Greg! He'll accidentally do a Sieg Heil every now and then, just ignore him."
JCK75
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You know a lot of things that aren't true..
He did do something similar to a Nazi salute. The hand on the heart, what he did, is not part of the real one afaik. It’s a fist with thumbs in or something along those lines, maybe an expert can clarify. The context should be included so people can judge his intent, which includes the “from the heart” language and his prior autistic tendencies, and putting his hand on his heart. Whether you give him the benefit of the doubt or not is up to your interpretation.
I don’t think he’s a Nazi. Did he do something intentionally to troll or was it pure ‘tism? Don’t know. I lean toward the autism explanation.
Could this force him out of the inner circle at the White House? Yes, it could. Optics matter, and the optics are pretty bad.
I don’t think he’s a Nazi. Did he do something intentionally to troll or was it pure ‘tism? Don’t know. I lean toward the autism explanation.
Could this force him out of the inner circle at the White House? Yes, it could. Optics matter, and the optics are pretty bad.
Agreed, he could easily clarify his intent instead of dismissing it as yet another attack by the media. As mentioned earlier, the proper Nazis on Twitter (which are still not deboosted on the for you page algorithm…) are celebrating like never before.
DeafTourette
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Even neo Nazis and far right folks thought it was a Nazi salute ...
www.wired.com
Neo-Nazis Love the Nazi-Like Salutes Elon Musk Made at Trump's Inauguration
The far right is celebrating what it views as a clear signal from the X owner and Donald Trump associate, who made the gestures on stage Monday.
The Sum of Zero
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Still, think about the people who had family die in WW2, especially the European front. Seeing that "quasi-nazi" salute feels like spitting on the graves of everyone who fought and died back then.
I'm not arguing against you, bossman, just giving a perspective of someone who had family serve back then. Ignoring my naval preferences (Yamato, Bismarck, ect...hell I main Scharnhorst in World of Warships Legends lol). I count the naval war separate from the rest.
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analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Can I ask why several users were banned yesterday, with a "reason" message of "fuck off", for what appears to be simply sharing that they believe Elon did a Nazi salute? And Cockatrice in particular being told he was "wrong" about saying it was a Nazi salute in his "reason" message? (I do know that Cockatrice also conveyed personal attacks on another member in his case)
IlGialloMondadori
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That’s it. If he just said, “my bad, I’m a doofus, sorry for that, I get it.” I think everyone reasonable would be fine with it. The fact that he isn’t, in my opinion, speaks to what he’s doing/shows his awareness of his childish troll nature.
IlGialloMondadori
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Oh those silly neo-nazis. What would they know of neo-Nazi salutes? They must be brainwashed on CNN to be so sensitive to a gesture they practice daily as part of their ideology.Even neo Nazis and far right folks thought it was a Nazi salute ...
Neo-Nazis Love the Nazi-Like Salutes Elon Musk Made at Trump's Inauguration
The far right is celebrating what it views as a clear signal from the X owner and Donald Trump associate, who made the gestures on stage Monday.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Yes, it's the people claiming the guy who did a Nazi salute is a Nazi that's the problem. Not the guy who did the Nazi salute.
IlGialloMondadori
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Nazis are saying he did a Nazi salute. Because he did.
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Donald mac Ronald
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Unfortunately we are more likely to colonise mars in elons lifetime than for him to ever apologise. I don't think he's capable of saying sorry or admitting he's wrong.
ManaByte
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And there is the clear motive for the intentional editing of the video and people intentionally omitting context.
HeisenbergFX4
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Coloress_Kafka
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It's such an obvious troll akin to seeing a black man and immediately asking if his name is Dan. “He just looked like a Dan so I asked if that was his name…..when did the name Dan become a slur??? Jezz you guys there’s so many people called Dan.”
IlGialloMondadori
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People are watching with the voice and they still say, it’s a Nazi salute. There isn’t any manipulation lol. He does two Nazi salutes and says my heart goes out to you.
Kacho
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ManaByte
Gold Member
100% bullshit. Those people have an agenda. They failed to destroy the big guy so they demand a scalp. They’re going to try to destroy anyone connected to him. Strap in. It’s going to be four years of hoaxes again.
near
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I agree with you for the most part. It’s just that I don’t think the context here really matters all that much given the gesture’s meaning and history. He could literally say anything while making that gesture, and most would still have the same reaction. I also don’t think him being a bit socially weird, perhaps autistic, led to those hand movements, twice. It can be argued that it’s not the same gesture as the Nazis’, but the similarities are uncanny. I only give him the benefit of the doubt because he just simply doesn’t fit the profile of a neo-Nazi. But, yeah, the least he could’ve done is acknowledge the similarities with what he was trying to convey and apologise for the confusion. I still think he is trolling, or perhaps he was encouraged to do this for shits and giggles.
HeisenbergFX4
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If you want my 2 cents its a bunch of people that their person lost an election and they are lashing out
It may have looked odd but dude seems like an odd guy but in no way do I think he was doing a Nazi salute
Optics and truth are two different things. Shouldn’t be conflated.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
This all could've been avoided, you know, if dipshit didn't do this in front of the entire world:
It's weird that literally no reasonable person on the planet has to worry about things like this.... because they didn't perform what could be reasonably construed as a fucking Nazi salute in front of the entire world.
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ÆMNE22A!C
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We're going to Mars!
maybe not literally tho
ChatGPT.
maybe not literally tho
Mythological Connections:
- Roman Mythology: Mars was directly identified as the god of war in Roman mythology, where he was seen as the protector of Rome and its military might. His role as a warrior god reflected the ancient Roman culture's heavy focus on military conquest and expansion.
- Greek Influence: The Greeks identified the Roman god Mars with their own god of war, Ares. Ares, while less revered than other gods like Zeus or Athena, was nonetheless associated with the brutal and chaotic aspects of warfare. This perception of Mars/Ares as a god linked to the violence and destruction of war reinforced the planet’s connection to these themes in the ancient world.
- Earlier Deities: Long before the Roman and Greek deities, Mars' association with war can be traced to older, pre-Roman cultures. In Mesopotamian mythology, for example, the planet was linked to Nergal, a god associated with war, death, and destruction. Nergal's attributes of conflict and power over life and death align closely with the later identification of Mars as a martial force.
3. Symbolism of Conflict and Battle:
- The planetary cycle of Mars, which includes periods of apparent retrograde motion, was also seen as symbolic of conflict or disruption in ancient thought. Retrograde motion could be interpreted as a time of "war" or "struggle," reflecting the planet’s symbolic alignment with martial events.
- The ancient mind would often interpret natural events, such as eclipses, comets, and the visible movement of planets, as signs of divine will or portentous events. When Mars became prominent in the sky, its fiery red appearance likely signified impending battles, war, or strife, which solidified its association with combat.
4. Martial Societies and Cultures:
- In ancient civilizations such as Rome, Sparta, and various cultures in the Near East, martial prowess was highly valued. War gods and deities connected to Mars were central to these societies' beliefs. As warfare was essential to these cultures’ survival, Mars was worshipped and honored as a powerful god capable of bringing victory in battle.
- The militaristic nature of ancient Rome in particular helped solidify Mars as the deity of war. Roman soldiers wore armor adorned with symbols of Mars and invoked him before battle for strength and victory. This military culture reinforced Mars’ reputation as the god (and thus the planet) associated with war.
5. Astrological and Occult Traditions:
- In ancient astrology, planets were seen as influencing earthly events, including matters of conflict and aggression. Mars, as the planet associated with Aries (the ram, symbolizing the warrior), and Scorpio, ruled the passionate and intense aspects of human behavior. Ancient astrologers linked the fiery energy of Mars to the energy of battle, aggression, and action.
- The mystical, combative nature of Mars was reflected in the esoteric understanding of Mars as a planet of power and personal will. Early occult traditions often viewed Mars as a force of both destruction and transformation, symbolizing the energies needed to break through obstacles, whether in personal challenges or larger, societal conflicts.
Conclusion:
Mars' ancient association with war stems from its visible, red appearance, its mythological connections to gods of war like Ares and Nergal, and its cultural significance in societies that valued military strength. These factors combined to create a powerful archetype of Mars as the planet of conflict, aggression, and the warrior spirit in both celestial and earthly realms. Over time, this connection evolved and became deeply embedded in astrology, myth, and occult thought, continuing to influence how Mars is perceived in the modern era.ChatGPT.
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
You being this disingenuous is actually quite embarrassing at this point. You've been shown multiple evidence that it's no doubt an autistic trait, yet here you are, still going.
What happend to the lefts 'Mental Well being' bullshit. Here you have a bloke with actual Autism, and you're calling him a fucking Nazi
Yeah, that feign bullshit you all preach sure goes out the window fast when it doesn't benefit.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
This is such bad faith (not you, the tweet).
Showing still images of people with their hands out who DIDN'T do the motion Elon did while showing Elon doing the motion.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Are you seriously claiming that performing the Sieg Heil is an autistic trait?
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ManaByte
Gold Member
He wasn’t doing that but you’re just digging yourself into a deeper hole.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
That is wild... It's an autistic trait to do a Nazi salute? I've never done one! Wild!
IlGialloMondadori
Member
What in god’s name are you on about?
The man revels in being a hateful troll. He loves it.
I’m not calling him a Nazi, I’m saying he did a Nazi salute. Which he did.
Big “leave Brittany alone” energy here
ÆMNE22A!C
NO PAIN TRANCE CONTINUE
From the gif and personal experience it looked more like a from the heart to the people gesture but who fucking know this; there's hunderds of gestures/hand/finger placements/signals. Pure congesture.
Perhaps focus on the antartic threaty being a thing while wanting to go to Mars FFS
Perhaps focus on the antartic threaty being a thing while wanting to go to Mars FFS
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near
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I don’t disagree that the intent here is important. But if it isn’t obvious, then the truth will only be our perception of it. Context always matters, that’s my stance on most things. Although in this instance, it's a gesture that only has one meaning in every context.
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