Astral Dog
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Thats not cool at all, what happens when they change their policy? its a matter of time.
So you think a customer deserves punishment for getting a price match on a product that they thought was a great deal and then bragging about said deal, whether or not you have any actual knowledge that they knew the Amazon price wasn't correct? You can't be serious.
It is illegal because they are using false information to get another person to act. Just like if I walked into a bank, said I was J D Rockefeller and needed a million dollars. Just because they willingly give me the money doesn't mean that what I did was legal.
How though?
If I go to amazon and see something for 70% off for x/y/z reason and simply don't wish to wait for it, Ill go to a walmart/bestbuy/target etc and price match for said item. If its a miss print or a hoax, its none of my business as a consumer to protect the rights of a business, that responsibility falls in the lap of the store managers who have final say on this type of transaction.
They don't have to be? You dont have to be the one who put up the pirated version of the game, youre still taking advantage of something by downloading it. Works the same in this case, you don't have to be the one who put up the listing but you still took advantage of it.
I'm really glad that people are getting some insane deals. But I kind of feel bad about this. I know these are major corporations and blah blah. And it was their mistake. But just feels sort of...weird to me, to exploit this kind of thing.
Guess I'm a sucker.
EDIT: I don't take issue with anyone doing this. BTW, I'm not trying to judge or say anyone is wrong in this. I was just saying on my own personal level, I kind of feel bad for this sort of thing. It's insane to me that, people basically got a Wii U for $20 (after selling their 2 games back to Gamestop). That you can get a PS4 for $84.
I'm really glad that people are getting some insane deals. But I kind of feel bad about this. I know these are major corporations and blah blah. And it was their mistake. But just feels sort of...weird to me, to exploit this kind of thing.
Guess I'm a sucker.
EDIT: BTW, I'm not trying to judge or say anyone is wrong in this.
It's hard to empathize with a company that uses an average of 1 million tax dollars per store in public assistance for it's criminally underpaid employees.
I am surprised by the number of people who don't see a problem with this. This is exactly why we can't have nice things - you set up something that your customers benefit from with the thought that they'll do the right thing, then it gets exploited and then the thing gets shut down or severely restricted.
The customers are the real losers in this. Walmart is going to pass the cost of this down to the customers/employees by restricting the policy, increasing prices, holding off on price cuts, or deferring pay raises/bonuses. It's not like Robin hood stealing from the rich as some seem to think it is. The rich are going make it up some other way.
You are not a sucker. You feel weird about it because it is wrong, and you have some kind of morality. That is a good thing.
And when something is wrong, you as an individual have every right to say it is wrong.
It's not all that dissimilar from an ethical standpoint. In both cases the person in question was not the one who committed the act which enabled the "deal", but in both cases the person in question DID know that they are taking advantage of the situation.I never said pirating games is worse. Its simply not similar enough to compare. What it is similar to is taking advantage of price glitches, and no I dont see how its worst than that at all.
Someone copying a cracked game is not even close to the same thing as someone trying their luck with a deal. Beyond anything else, they have to have the complaince of Walmart and its employees before they can do anything.
I just cannot accept that asking for something to be sold below market value and having a seller agree, regardless of whether the seller has made the proper checks and balances can be seen as immoral.
The proper checks and balances were not done by these employees. Thats as simple as it gets. There is no morality in an asking, even if it is store policy the associate still could of turned the buyers away, which clearly the majority did.
You are not a sucker. You feel weird about it because it is wrong, and you have some kind of morality. That is a good thing.
And when something is wrong, you as an individual have every right to say it is wrong.
For failing to follow the procedure correctly. No one price matches third party sellers, and every price matching policy includes a requirement to verify stock and shipping charges (@RobbieNick, your manager fucked up). Whoever authorized the price match messed up.For doing what? Price matching? If you make the listing and then use it to get a price match thats fraud and a scam. If you're uninvolved and you see it on amazon, theres nothing wrong with taking it in to see if they'll price match. Its their policy and they can refuse if they feel like it. Nobodys getting fired from this because its just following their policy.
You're not wrong. I'd just rather not play a direct role in a person getting fired to get some hardware on the cheap, is all. It's disingenuous to put it all on the person you're trying to manipulate.So, someone who is bad at their job might lose their job due to poor performance? Is that supposed to make us all feel bad? It would be no different at most other businesses. Mess up enough and you're gone. These people could have refused to match the price.
its good the way best buy does it, they match a select list of approved retailers, amazon direct mainlyi work at Wal-Mart. Recently, I had to do a (manager approved) Amazon price match for some smaller items, but the difference in price was staggering.She showed me each ad and was honest about that, but then I noticed something interesting. Every item on the list, like a bottle of shampoo for 9 cents, had ridiculous prices on shipping and handling ($10 shipping on the bottle of shampoo for instance). They weren't price matching Amazon, but rather more corrupt independent retailers on Amazon that were faking their prices. I brought it up with our store manager the next day, and he said their wasn't much they could do as it's a new company wide policy. Oh, and for those that don't care that Wal-Mart gets ripped off, please note that this affects my bonus.
Price matching online is the absolute worst idea ever.
To all those who say this is going to cause Walmart to change their price matching policies, I have to ask....who cares? There are many other companies that price match.
How is it illegal. Wal-Mart sold it at that price according to the receipt. Wal-Mart was not forced to sell it.
But do explain. How heavy is that water you are carrying?
How though?
If I go to amazon and see something for 70% off for x/y/z reason and simply don't wish to wait for it, Ill go to a walmart/bestbuy/target etc and price match for said item. If its a miss print or a hoax, its none of my business as a consumer to protect the rights of a business, that responsibility falls in the lap of the store managers who have final say on this type of transaction.
I hate walrmart, but this is BS. They are matching scam independent sellers on amazon. They should only price match Sold by amazon stuff.
Lol, wasn't the Wii U thread for this posted, and a bunch of you guys were jumping all over the deal?
Now it's suddenly immoral because Kotaku says so?
An unethical act doesn't become ethical just because it is perpetuated against another entity also considered unethical. An unethical act is an unethical act regardless.
There are few, if any, people here saying "poor Walmart". It's more a disappointment in fellow human beings and their not knowing right from wrong.
Lol, wasn't the Wii U thread for this posted, and a bunch of you guys were jumping all over the deal?
Now it's suddenly immoral because Kotaku says so?
I hate walrmart, but this is BS. They are matching scam independent sellers on amazon. They should only price match Sold by amazon stuff.
The consumers won.
Fuck big corporations.
That was a glitch on Sears' website though. It was completely different.I was thinking about this during the Wii U fiasco wondering if someone just made up a random website with bogus prices with the intent to get retailers to price match. And here you go in the flesh. I'm ok with once in awhile taking advantage of a too good to be true deal, like that Wii U pricematch because overall its not going to really effect a giant like Walmart and hey joe schmoes should get a break once in awhile. The problem is the internet has a tendency to take things to far in response, like this here, and end up ruining a good thing. This won't be the last time this happens now and Walmart will end up changing their policies because of people continually and methodically taking advantage of it which is a shame.
Originally Posted by SlickShoesRUCrazy
I wish it was not real....
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickunga...own-employees/
that's why f**k wal-mart.
Originally Posted by Interface23
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4296618.html Totally real.
I hate walrmart, but this is BS. They are matching scam independent 3rd party sellers on amazon. They should only price match Sold by amazon stuff. I expect them to change it soon.
The fact that you KNOW it was a mistake and, therefore, the price not being true, and taking that to another establishment to match the price (because, lets face it, Sears would not have sold it to you at the price they listed) is ethically wrong.
YOU know the price is incorrect, regardless of how it got listed. If you tried to get it from Sears at that price, they said they could sell it to you and, instead, went somewhere else to match the price, that would be one thing.
I am pretty confidant that anyone taking advantage of the price glitch did no such thing.
i work at Wal-Mart. Recently, I had to do a (manager approved) Amazon price match for some smaller items, but the difference in price was staggering.She showed me each ad and was honest about that, but then I noticed something interesting. Every item on the list, like a bottle of shampoo for 9 cents, had ridiculous prices on shipping and handling ($10 shipping on the bottle of shampoo for instance). They weren't price matching Amazon, but rather more corrupt independent retailers on Amazon that were faking their prices. I brought it up with our store manager the next day, and he said their wasn't much they could do as it's a new company wide policy. Oh, and for those that don't care that Wal-Mart gets ripped off, please note that this affects my bonus.
Price matching online is the absolute worst idea ever.
I know that, but several users here don't. How many of those who got the Xbox One knew the retailer listing the cheap price on Amazon was fake?The WiiU was a Sears generated error. This was a fake third party seller. Big difference.
Lol, wasn't the Wii U thread for this posted, and a bunch of you guys were jumping all over the deal?
Now it's suddenly immoral because Kotaku says so?
i work at Wal-Mart. Recently, I had to do a (manager approved) Amazon price match for some smaller items, but the difference in price was staggering.She showed me each ad and was honest about that, but then I noticed something interesting. Every item on the list, like a bottle of shampoo for 9 cents, had ridiculous prices on shipping and handling ($10 shipping on the bottle of shampoo for instance). They weren't price matching Amazon, but rather more corrupt independent retailers on Amazon that were faking their prices. I brought it up with our store manager the next day, and he said their wasn't much they could do as it's a new company wide policy. Oh, and for those that don't care that Wal-Mart gets ripped off, please note that this affects my bonus.
Price matching online is the absolute worst idea ever.
The policy states no third-party marketplace items, so Walmarts that were doing this were not versed in the policy.
So, basically, par for the course for Walmart.
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I know that, but several users here don't. How many of those who got the Xbox One knew the retailer listing the cheap price on Amazon was fake?
Its not nearly the same. You are being obtuse.
That's how Best Buy does it and I don't blame them.
We won losing the right to price match because that's what's going to happen sooner or later.
It's only immoral and wrong if we miss out on it, that's how it works here.
So? I took advantage of a corporation screwing up and followed Walmart's price matching procedure. It was an accident on their part, not some intention to delibarelty screw over their competition. I am under no obligation to verify whether the listing on the part of Sears was intentional or not. Here it isn't Amazon screwing up but rather somebody trying to pose as Amazon.
But in this case it is obvious that the listing is fake and you know it. It's not an honest mistake on your part. You are deliberately misleading wal-mart into believing that it is a legitimate listing although you know that it isn't. (edit: i.e. you are lying to wal-mart to get a discount)
It is retail theft. It is illegal to switch price tags, and then pay a lower price for an item. See People v. Gordon, 2011 IL App (2d) 100313-U for a recent example.
The facts of this case are similar. Someone fraudulently altered the price in order to purchase the item "legitimately" at the lower price. Switching price tags, and fraudulently creating a lower price in order to price match are in effect the same. Both would constitute retail theft.
How heavy is the water I am carrying? I don't understand.
The part that constitutes theft is in this case, the person asking for the price match either (i) created the fraudulent price on Amazon, or (ii) knows it is a fraudulent price on Amazon.